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“The Talk”, trump is happy with the decision by the (?) judge. He said that we will now have great, great healthcare. 

“The Walk”, so the repubs have had eight years, and trump has had two years...where is their great plan?!

And trump is saying that it’s up to Nancy and Chuck to fix?

...where is the great plan from trump and repubs?...where is the plan?

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

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The judge ruled that the portion of the bill that made it mandatory to purchase health insurance or be "fined" was unconstitutional. This ruling (I'm sure) will be challenged by the left.


Doesn't really matter - Republicans voted to end the mandate, insurance companies said all along that without the mandate, coverage for pre-exicting conditions would be "unaffordable", and that slimyGOPer move has already caused the biggest premium increases since PPACA became law.

 

Of course trumpettes cheer such actions because they falsly believe only the very poor will be harmed, but they are mistaken as will become obvious when they see next years premium hikes.


This Trumpette knows that the poor have and have had their own program - Medicaid. There is no need to fold the productive into one big socialized medicine scheme. If Medicaid needs adjustment - adjust it.


Very interesting. Medical care provided under Medicaid is paid for by the Government - Federal and State. "Obamacare" is PRIVATE insurance with some of the premiums receiving Federal subsidity. So our resident antiGovernment poster desires to expand A GOVERNMENT OPTION! Good for you! Universal single payer is the only rational solution, and you came to the same conclusion, tho now its been pointed out, you MAY change your mind.


Again, a program exists for the poor. There is no need to mix the productive into the package. Since we already have a program for the poor, why would you want to scrap it and create a new program?


Medicaid left 60 million working Americans with no health insurance. PPACA cut that number by 34Million, and Medicare For All aka Universal coverage, single payer will take care of ALL Americans, including those who are not paid enough to have to pay FEDERAL income tax despite working over 40 hours every week.

 

 


Again - if you want to expand the program for the poor, why involve everyone else. Just expand the existing welfare program.


Because "involving all" in a national single payer health care program like 'Medicare For All' would benefit everyone and bring down the costs of health care while improving the quality of it.


Medicare for all would cost the U.S. $32.6 trillion dollars.  How would you like your income taxes doubled?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-tri...


So is that figure arrived at without subtracting what is spent health care for those on Medicaid, Medicare, Tricare, all retired government workers and all government workers including both State, Federal, and Local governments?  Of course it is.  Subtract the total costs of all of those from what covering everyone under a national health care plan would cost and see what you come up with. No, everyone's taxes would not "double".


"There are going to be a lot of people who'll pay more in taxes than they save on premiums." Thorpe was a senior health policy adviser in the Clinton administration."

 

...".However, it also found that potential savings would vanish if hospitals and doctors aren't willing to accept lower fees for patients who are now privately insured. In that case, the U.S. would spend about $400 billion more in 2031."

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-tri...

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You can't fix stu***. The Self Employed are huge benificiaries of Obamacare because they can finally buy health insurance which is affordable. Prior to the ACA, if you weren't in an employee sponsored health insurance program, buying it on your own (which is the case for the self employed) was cost prohibitive.

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:Again - if you want to expand the program for the poor, why involve everyone else. Just expand the existing welfare program.

Because "involving all" in a national single payer health care program like 'Medicare For All' would benefit everyone and bring down the costs of health care while improving the quality of it.


Medicare for all would cost the U.S. $32.6 trillion dollars.  How would you like your income taxes doubled?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-tri...


Here's what that study actually said: Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years.

 

We ALREADY SPENT $3.4 TRILLION on health care in 2017, and projections are for the amount to grow by AT LEAST 5.5% EVERY YEAR.

 

So, following the Republican lead (do NOTHING EVER) we will spend

$43.8 TRILLION over 10 years

and STILL have 30 million Americans with NO HEALTH INSURANCE

 

Just another reason we must never allow another Republican to win an election if the Nation is to survive - THEY CANNOT DO SIMPLE MATH AND WANT TO RUN OUR ECONOMY!


Using your "simple math" and $3.26 trillion additional each year, each person (assuming 300 million people) would have an additional bill of $10,867.  Of course, liberals will want to push that burden on someone else.  Check out the math.


It's not that simple. Have you even read HR 676 to see where the money comes from?  Obviously you haven't. Employers will pay a tax, taking much of the burden you set at $10,000 per person. Read something before you criticize it. A individual's cost in taxes would be less than they pay for health insurance premiums.


Employers won't pay the tax because it's not happening.  I don't want (I) the government running any more things. They have screwed up enough and the cost is always (for me) double or triple what I would have to pay privately with no restriction on coverage.  Right now, my premium for Medicare is outrageous and this new system will be more restrictive and more money.  I'm not buying it though liberals will grab it.

 

If you like it, give your lefty a call and say so.  No for me!

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:Again - if you want to expand the program for the poor, why involve everyone else. Just expand the existing welfare program.

Because "involving all" in a national single payer health care program like 'Medicare For All' would benefit everyone and bring down the costs of health care while improving the quality of it.


Medicare for all would cost the U.S. $32.6 trillion dollars.  How would you like your income taxes doubled?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-tri...


Here's what that study actually said: Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years.

 

We ALREADY SPENT $3.4 TRILLION on health care in 2017, and projections are for the amount to grow by AT LEAST 5.5% EVERY YEAR.

 

So, following the Republican lead (do NOTHING EVER) we will spend

$43.8 TRILLION over 10 years

and STILL have 30 million Americans with NO HEALTH INSURANCE

 

Just another reason we must never allow another Republican to win an election if the Nation is to survive - THEY CANNOT DO SIMPLE MATH AND WANT TO RUN OUR ECONOMY!


Using your "simple math" and $3.26 trillion additional each year, each person (assuming 300 million people) would have an additional bill of $10,867.  Of course, liberals will want to push that burden on someone else.  Check out the math.


It's not that simple. Have you even read HR 676 to see where the money comes from?  Obviously you haven't. Employers will pay a tax, taking much of the burden you set at $10,000 per person. Read something before you criticize it. A individual's cost in taxes would be less than they pay for health insurance premiums.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Message 46 of 74

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The judge ruled that the portion of the bill that made it mandatory to purchase health insurance or be "fined" was unconstitutional. This ruling (I'm sure) will be challenged by the left.


Doesn't really matter - Republicans voted to end the mandate, insurance companies said all along that without the mandate, coverage for pre-exicting conditions would be "unaffordable", and that slimyGOPer move has already caused the biggest premium increases since PPACA became law.

 

Of course trumpettes cheer such actions because they falsly believe only the very poor will be harmed, but they are mistaken as will become obvious when they see next years premium hikes.


This Trumpette knows that the poor have and have had their own program - Medicaid. There is no need to fold the productive into one big socialized medicine scheme. If Medicaid needs adjustment - adjust it.


Very interesting. Medical care provided under Medicaid is paid for by the Government - Federal and State. "Obamacare" is PRIVATE insurance with some of the premiums receiving Federal subsidity. So our resident antiGovernment poster desires to expand A GOVERNMENT OPTION! Good for you! Universal single payer is the only rational solution, and you came to the same conclusion, tho now its been pointed out, you MAY change your mind.


Again, a program exists for the poor. There is no need to mix the productive into the package. Since we already have a program for the poor, why would you want to scrap it and create a new program?


Medicaid left 60 million working Americans with no health insurance. PPACA cut that number by 34Million, and Medicare For All aka Universal coverage, single payer will take care of ALL Americans, including those who are not paid enough to have to pay FEDERAL income tax despite working over 40 hours every week.

 

 


Again - if you want to expand the program for the poor, why involve everyone else. Just expand the existing welfare program.


Because "involving all" in a national single payer health care program like 'Medicare For All' would benefit everyone and bring down the costs of health care while improving the quality of it.


Medicare for all would cost the U.S. $32.6 trillion dollars.  How would you like your income taxes doubled?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-tri...


So is that figure arrived at without subtracting what is spent health care for those on Medicaid, Medicare, Tricare, all retired government workers and all government workers including both State, Federal, and Local governments?  Of course it is.  Subtract the total costs of all of those from what covering everyone under a national health care plan would cost and see what you come up with. No, everyone's taxes would not "double".


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:Again - if you want to expand the program for the poor, why involve everyone else. Just expand the existing welfare program.

Because "involving all" in a national single payer health care program like 'Medicare For All' would benefit everyone and bring down the costs of health care while improving the quality of it.


Medicare for all would cost the U.S. $32.6 trillion dollars.  How would you like your income taxes doubled?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-tri...


Here's what that study actually said: Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years.

 

We ALREADY SPENT $3.4 TRILLION on health care in 2017, and projections are for the amount to grow by AT LEAST 5.5% EVERY YEAR.

 

So, following the Republican lead (do NOTHING EVER) we will spend

$43.8 TRILLION over 10 years

and STILL have 30 million Americans with NO HEALTH INSURANCE

 

Just another reason we must never allow another Republican to win an election if the Nation is to survive - THEY CANNOT DO SIMPLE MATH AND WANT TO RUN OUR ECONOMY!


Using your "simple math" and $3.26 trillion additional each year, each person (assuming 300 million people) would have an additional bill of $10,867.  Of course, liberals will want to push that burden on someone else.  Check out the math.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:Again - if you want to expand the program for the poor, why involve everyone else. Just expand the existing welfare program.

Because "involving all" in a national single payer health care program like 'Medicare For All' would benefit everyone and bring down the costs of health care while improving the quality of it.


Medicare for all would cost the U.S. $32.6 trillion dollars.  How would you like your income taxes doubled?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-tri...


Here's what that study actually said: Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years.

 

We ALREADY SPENT $3.4 TRILLION on health care in 2017, and projections are for the amount to grow by AT LEAST 5.5% EVERY YEAR.

 

So, following the Republican lead (do NOTHING EVER) we will spend

$43.8 TRILLION over 10 years

and STILL have 30 million Americans with NO HEALTH INSURANCE

 

Just another reason we must never allow another Republican to win an election if the Nation is to survive - THEY CANNOT DO SIMPLE MATH AND WANT TO RUN OUR ECONOMY!

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The judge ruled that the portion of the bill that made it mandatory to purchase health insurance or be "fined" was unconstitutional. This ruling (I'm sure) will be challenged by the left.


Doesn't really matter - Republicans voted to end the mandate, insurance companies said all along that without the mandate, coverage for pre-exicting conditions would be "unaffordable", and that slimyGOPer move has already caused the biggest premium increases since PPACA became law.

 

Of course trumpettes cheer such actions because they falsly believe only the very poor will be harmed, but they are mistaken as will become obvious when they see next years premium hikes.


This Trumpette knows that the poor have and have had their own program - Medicaid. There is no need to fold the productive into one big socialized medicine scheme. If Medicaid needs adjustment - adjust it.


Very interesting. Medical care provided under Medicaid is paid for by the Government - Federal and State. "Obamacare" is PRIVATE insurance with some of the premiums receiving Federal subsidity. So our resident antiGovernment poster desires to expand A GOVERNMENT OPTION! Good for you! Universal single payer is the only rational solution, and you came to the same conclusion, tho now its been pointed out, you MAY change your mind.


Again, a program exists for the poor. There is no need to mix the productive into the package. Since we already have a program for the poor, why would you want to scrap it and create a new program?


Medicaid left 60 million working Americans with no health insurance. PPACA cut that number by 34Million, and Medicare For All aka Universal coverage, single payer will take care of ALL Americans, including those who are not paid enough to have to pay FEDERAL income tax despite working over 40 hours every week.

 

 


Again - if you want to expand the program for the poor, why involve everyone else. Just expand the existing welfare program.


Because "involving all" in a national single payer health care program like 'Medicare For All' would benefit everyone and bring down the costs of health care while improving the quality of it.


Medicare for all would cost the U.S. $32.6 trillion dollars.  How would you like your income taxes doubled?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-30/study-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6-tri...

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The judge ruled that the portion of the bill that made it mandatory to purchase health insurance or be "fined" was unconstitutional. This ruling (I'm sure) will be challenged by the left.


Doesn't really matter - Republicans voted to end the mandate, insurance companies said all along that without the mandate, coverage for pre-exicting conditions would be "unaffordable", and that slimyGOPer move has already caused the biggest premium increases since PPACA became law.

 

Of course trumpettes cheer such actions because they falsly believe only the very poor will be harmed, but they are mistaken as will become obvious when they see next years premium hikes.


This Trumpette knows that the poor have and have had their own program - Medicaid. There is no need to fold the productive into one big socialized medicine scheme. If Medicaid needs adjustment - adjust it.


Very interesting. Medical care provided under Medicaid is paid for by the Government - Federal and State. "Obamacare" is PRIVATE insurance with some of the premiums receiving Federal subsidity. So our resident antiGovernment poster desires to expand A GOVERNMENT OPTION! Good for you! Universal single payer is the only rational solution, and you came to the same conclusion, tho now its been pointed out, you MAY change your mind.


Again, a program exists for the poor. There is no need to mix the productive into the package. Since we already have a program for the poor, why would you want to scrap it and create a new program?


Medicaid left 60 million working Americans with no health insurance. PPACA cut that number by 34Million, and Medicare For All aka Universal coverage, single payer will take care of ALL Americans, including those who are not paid enough to have to pay FEDERAL income tax despite working over 40 hours every week.

 

 


Again - if you want to expand the program for the poor, why involve everyone else. Just expand the existing welfare program.


Because "involving all" in a national single payer health care program like 'Medicare For All' would benefit everyone and bring down the costs of health care while improving the quality of it.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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