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@mandm84 wrote:

Texas AG is trying to throw out " Pre Existing " conditions and that was the most important part of Obamacare IMHO. Only the few  " Moderate" Republicans in Congress have a chance in saving " Pre Existing " Coverage for our most needy.

Who are the Far Right Heartless Republican's who could do this to our most sick and needy Fellow Americans ?


To those motivated by emotion, there is only "pre-existing". To the rational there are two situations.

 

One is the person with insurance who (due to job change or something else) have to change companies. That person has been in and contributing to the overall system and should not be denied coverage.

 

The other is like the guy in Bill Clinton's town hall efforts for Hillary's plan. He was in his late forties, gainfully employed but had opted throughout his working life to have more money in his pocket rather than provide for his own needs by buying insurance.

 

These two situations need different solutions - they are not the same.

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rk9152:  Try to follow the logic. He does not want government controlled medical care. However, if the government is going to pay for it, the government has to have some control. His proposal allows the poor to get the free stuff that some think they should get but leaves those of us paying our own bills to not have government control.

 

 

The ACA is private ins. that people pay monthly premiums for. The "control" is in the form of regulations not allowing insurers to kick out sick people, and getting rid of the odious preexisting conditions etc. Would you rather go back to the uncontrolled system we previously had where people paid their premiums then got the boot as soon as they became ill? That's nuts.


Let us focus. The issue is not reforming existing insurance programs for those who pay for it. The issue is providing care for those who can't.

 

I gotta tell ya though, the only part of Obamacare I liked was the individual mandate. Not that I like the government telling people what they must buy, but since we are in an environment where care cannot be withheld, it seems that people able to pay for it should be required to.

 

However, that is separate and apart from the "earned" vs "need" situation in government involvement. That is where I prefer the VA approach for the poor.

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CriticalThinking:  Hey PanJ, intelligent people understand that Obamacare is NOT socialized medicine. His govt. pension is closer to socialiism than Obamacare is.

 

 

That's probably why the right has such trouble understanding it.


What you are overlooking is the distinction between something some one gets due to earning vs. needing. The topic is how to give to people based on need, not earned.

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

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@gordyfl wrote:

How about this - instead of putting all of us into socialized medicine, why not create a "poor peoples" VA type government agency?

 

Most countries with a universal healthcare system don't "put you in" that system. In countries like Canada some choose to pay for private insurance as an added measure and choose if they want a physician inside or outside the system. A vast majority go with the national system.

I have Medicaid - I have to. I also pay for private insurance. Similar to the system you describe. However, we are talking about people who may not have the ability to buy insurance so the idea is to give it to them but have someone else pay. That is not the same system you describe.

 

Having a "'poor peoples' VA type government agency" sounds like a substitute for Medicaid.

Or fix Medicaid without messing with the existing system that works just fine for many people

 

Aren't VA hospitals "owned" by the government, and doctors and nurses are government employees? That's sounds more like socialism than Medicare (For All).

It may be but it still allows the productive to provide for their needs and the government to provide for the others.

 

Most major industrialized nations have a Medicare type program - private doctors and nurses and privately owned hospitals. The "VA-type" system sounds more like Cuba, to me.

I think you know that I am not suggesting a VA type program for all - the Cuban approach. The VA system is not for everyone, you have to qualify. The same would apply for a separate system for those that the government designates as qualifying for free care.

  


 


Why do you expect the rest of us to pay for your medical care?


Are you referring to the Medicare that I paid into or the supplementary insurance I pay for?

 

There is a difference between paid for and free.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

More Fox nonsense from RK who regurgitates everything they tell him. Never ask him to come up with an original thought. RK believes Medicaid was created by Obamacare. Here's a newsflash for him, Medicaid's been around since 1965. 

 

What made Obamacare unique was the following. For the first time, it gave Americans who didn't have employee sponsored healthcare, an opportunity to BUY HEALTH INSURANCE. And guess what? All of the insurance companies on the Obamacare Exchanges around the country were PRIVATE COMPANIES. It was Free Enterprise in action.

 

It wasn't and it isn't socialized medicine. That's a myth which Fox helped perpetuate. Since Trump supporters watch Fox seven days a week, they believe that myth.


As always ct makes stuff up, attributes to some one else and then attacks his/her/its own strange idea. Factually - rk never said that Medicaid was created by Obamacare.

 

But, of course, he/she/it did get Fox (his/her/its cranial resident) in twice.

 

ct also (typically) avoids the main issue - what does he/she/it think about the government establishing a VA type program before the people thought to be entitled to such care for free?

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@rk9152 wrote:


I have Medicaid - I have to.


 


Wouldn't you be talking about Medicare?  I'm required to participate in Part B for me to be covered by  Tricare for Life.


You're right, I posted the wring one. I have Medicare and pay for private supplemental.

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I would suggest a lot of the posters need to take a course in Health Care systems as it is not understood.

Here is the Insurance part. You get the cheapest rates when everyone is in the rating pool. In the case of this country which has Medicare for over 65. Every person under age 65 should be in the rating pool. If you do not have that you have to have a Prex in use to prevent people from purchasing Insurance when they find out they have cancer or some other bad medical condition as it causes higher claims costs which were not rated for. That means the honest people premium will  go way up. With everyone in the rating pool you will get an average rate based on the total group, and yes the young support the old in rates. That is what Insurance is people getting together to help each other as some will never use it, some will use it little, and some a lot, but none knows which group they will fall into.

This country has medical coverage for all now. One of the worst systems in the world. If you go to the ER you can get medical treatment whether you can pay for it or not. I call it ER care. It is the most expensive part of the health care system, and it is paid for by: Taxes (Fed., State, Local) Private Foundations, Higher rates to Insurance Cos. (That is higher premiums for you), Higher rates for people that pay the medical provider direct, etc.

LEARN THE SYSTEM.

If you have questions I will gladly answer them.   (Unless you said bye bye to me)

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Texas AG is trying to throw out " Pre Existing " conditions and that was the most important part of Obamacare IMHO. Only the few  " Moderate" Republicans in Congress have a chance in saving " Pre Existing " Coverage for our most needy.

Who are the Far Right Heartless Republican's who could do this to our most sick and needy Fellow Americans ?

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rk9152:  Try to follow the logic. He does not want government controlled medical care. However, if the government is going to pay for it, the government has to have some control. His proposal allows the poor to get the free stuff that some think they should get but leaves those of us paying our own bills to not have government control.

 

 

The ACA is private ins. that people pay monthly premiums for. The "control" is in the form of regulations not allowing insurers to kick out sick people, and getting rid of the odious preexisting conditions etc. Would you rather go back to the uncontrolled system we previously had where people paid their premiums then got the boot as soon as they became ill? That's nuts.

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CriticalThinking:  Hey PanJ, intelligent people understand that Obamacare is NOT socialized medicine. His govt. pension is closer to socialiism than Obamacare is.

 

 

That's probably why the right has such trouble understanding it.

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