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But I have wonder if Kim Jong Un is familiar with the theory of Mutual Assured Distruction as we were back then? 


Anyone growing up in the late 1940s or 1950s should be familiar with the 'duck and cover' drills at school.  This was due to the fear of the Soviet Union; I remember while stationed on Guam around 1958 when we went on Red Alert.  It was a Strategic Air Command base and the B-47s on the tarmac was warming up their jets ready for take-off.  This is looking a lot like it was back then, and Guam is at the center.

Kim is almost certainly aware of how MAD works but i am not sure Trump is.  The governor of Guam is asking if Trump would offer up Anchorage  as a target when daring the North Korean's to "Go ahead and hit us to see what happens".  

 

The premier of China called Trump and Kim last night to ask them to cool the rhetoric.  American has now reached the pinnacle of greatness where we have the Chinese premier tutoring our president on the minefield of international confrontations. 

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Keep it up with the idiocy of this thread. and all of you sitting in your Monday morning quarterback charis,

What are you all going to do if this thing escalate into an attack? whether is us or them.  Ir anyone uses atominc power, does anyone here underatand radiation? and what happens miles and miles away from the detonation of an atomic bomb? not only NK would be affected, but China and probably even Europe, just the same if they attack Seattle or Los Angeles, do you all think that you would be spares?
No wonder Trump became President, just take a look at the mentality of the people in this messaga board.

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@afisher wrote:

   It is weird, as there are currently, ongoing back channel communication with the North Koreans, which of course Donald doesn't want to talk about.     Donald's inability or perverse behavior to admit that therea are actually diplomatic negotiations going on, is more of an indication that he is playing this game in an attempt to keep his red-meat hungry followers on board. 

    As this information rolls out, this sounds more and more like his conversation with MX President - this is really unimportant but it is a huge political loss for Donald if he loses "face".  


"Back-channel" communications are and always have been private for valid reasons. There is nothing new in that with regard to President Trump.

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That piece of excrement that you are alluding about, ain't going to save you from having an atomb bomg thrown into any of our allies or even us, throwing an atom bomb into anyone in NK.

So. what is your solution. continue with the very innefective  diatraibe of insults that will not resolve any issues.


Anyone growing up in the late 1940s or 1950s should be familiar with the 'duck and cover' drills at school.  This was due to the fear of the Soviet Union; I remember while stationed on Guam around 1958 when we went on Red Alert.  It was a Strategic Air Command base and the B-47s on the tarmac was warming up their jets ready for take-off.  This is looking a lot like it was back then, and Guam is at the center.

 

But I have wonder if Kim Jong Un is familiar with the theory of Mutual Assured Distruction as we were back then? 


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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Who cares who's fault it is, if we are now on the verge of an Atomic war, in which the US has a chance of being hit by atomic power in any of our cities.?

Who cares, ?  We have now at the helm  two madmen, that apparently are so irresponsible that don't care what happens to anyone, including their own people.

If there is an atomic attack anywhere, then what? a

Isn't anyone of you, really not seeing the danger?


I don't know if you have noticed but our President and Kim Yong Un are thought about in the world of nations as JOKES. Heads of State joke about TRUMP'S handshakes, his ogling of other First Ladies, his pushing of other Heads of State out of the way where he is walking. Few talk seriously about this dope. The same goes for Kim Yong Un but less is said because his activities are less public.

 

What comes out of either one's mouth is taken with a HUGE grain of salt because the utterance is usually false, exaggerated, or explained away by an aide in a later interview. How many of the idiotic things has TRUMP said that were then called either sarcastic or irony. He is too stupid to use either of those avenues of speech. He says what he means without a filter and that's why we have the issues facing us today on several fronts. Thank goodness HOPEFULLY that there are leveler heads in both our Diplomatic Corps and Military.

 

Kim Jong Un, will say something outlandish and then you might not hear about it again. He sometimes lets his stupid statements retreat into the ether; but not TRUMP; he'll repeat the same STUPID comments time after time after time. Even if he doesn't have an audience for something he wants to say; he'll go seek one. Why do you think he went to WEST VIRGINIA for a "rally".

 

It is embarrassing to have someone elected with such a lack of character, intelligence, and diplomacy. It was not enough to have issues in IRAQ, IRAN, AFGHANISTAN, THE MIDDLE EAST for this idiot so now he escalates issues with NORTH KOREA, CHINA, CUBA, AND VENEZUELA? Does that make sense to anyone?

 

Notice that, while forced by Congress to sanction RUSSIA; he has stayed otherwise quiet on that country. Too many financial connections which I believe we will find out about soon enough.

 

North Korea basically has a dangerous toy, it has rockets, it maybe even has a warhead, but I doubt it has anything near a guidance system, a viable delivery system to protect the warhead prior to detonation, and most of all, the guts to start a war with the most powerful country in the world. Even China, because they are so economically linked to THE UNITED STATES has warned North Korea to NOT start anything.

 

As to being on the verge of nuclear war, we are both on the verge of nuclear war and NOT on the verge of nuclear war. We have technically been on the verge of nuclear war since 1946, but thankfully, regardless of administrations here, or in Russia, in China, in India, in Israel, or any other nuclear enabled country everyone sees the danger of escalation to the final countdown.

 

I don't think that Kim Jong Un is that stupid either. He knows if he starts anything there can only be two outcomes. He loses and is deposed or he is killed "in action".

 

That is why IT IS SO STUPID FOR TRUMP TO KEEP POKING KIM JONG UN WITH A STICK JUST TO PROVOKE ACTION ON HIS PART..........that is a sign of immaturity and weakness on the part of our President in the eyes of the world.

 

I am frankly embarrassed by this piece of excrement that has somehow become President.

 

 


Got it - you are not a big fan of President Trump. Do you have any ideas as to how we should deal with Kim and his nuclear tipped missiles?

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That piece of excrement that you are alluding about, ain't going to save you from having an atomb bomg thrown into any of our allies or even us, throwing an atom bomb into anyone in NK.

So. what is your solution. continue with the very innefective  diatraibe of insults that will not resolve any issues.
Go. and sit down in your house and scream all you want about this excrement of a President. But you know what pray, that you don't have to start countung bodies of any American or even those NK  that will die.
Again, the studity of this thread denotes the level of regbards that many have for the future of this country, wheteher you are a Democrat or a Republican.

sit again in your chair and blame whomever you please., Because if we start a war or if NK starts a war, it won't matter at all.

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@afisher wrote:

   It is weird, as there are currently, ongoing back channel communication with the North Koreans, which of course Donald doesn't want to talk about.   


This is nothing new with any administration, and no administration has ever admitted to the 'back channel' negotiations during crisis.  Even back during the Cuban Missile crisis there were these type negotiations.  It has been common knowledge for years among many.

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2017/05/john_f_kennedy_had_a_russian_back_ch...

 

This has been a feature of diplomacy for most of history...

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/world/americas/a-history-of-secret-us-channels-from-jefferson-to-...

 

 


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   It is weird, as there are currently, ongoing back channel communication with the North Koreans, which of course Donald doesn't want to talk about.     Donald's inability or perverse behavior to admit that therea are actually diplomatic negotiations going on, is more of an indication that he is playing this game in an attempt to keep his red-meat hungry followers on board. 

    As this information rolls out, this sounds more and more like his conversation with MX President - this is really unimportant but it is a huge political loss for Donald if he loses "face".  

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@nctarheel wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

Who cares who's fault it is, if we are now on the verge of an Atomic war, in which the US has a chance of being hit by atomic power in any of our cities.?

Who cares, ?  We have now at the helm  two madmen, that apparently are so irresponsible that don't care what happens to anyone, including their own people.

If there is an atomic attack anywhere, then what? a

Isn't anyone of you, really not seeing the danger?


I don't know if you have noticed but our President and Kim Yong Un are thought about in the world of nations as JOKES. Heads of State joke about TRUMP'S handshakes, his ogling of other First Ladies, his pushing of other Heads of State out of the way where he is walking. Few talk seriously about this dope. The same goes for Kim Yong Un but less is said because his activities are less public.

 

What comes out of either one's mouth is taken with a HUGE grain of salt because the utterance is usually false, exaggerated, or explained away by an aide in a later interview. How many of the idiotic things has TRUMP said that were then called either sarcastic or irony. He is too stupid to use either of those avenues of speech. He says what he means without a filter and that's why we have the issues facing us today on several fronts. Thank goodness HOPEFULLY that there are leveler heads in both our Diplomatic Corps and Military.

 

Kim Jong Un, will say something outlandish and then you might not hear about it again. He sometimes lets his stupid statements retreat into the ether; but not TRUMP; he'll repeat the same STUPID comments time after time after time. Even if he doesn't have an audience for something he wants to say; he'll go seek one. Why do you think he went to WEST VIRGINIA for a "rally".

 

It is embarrassing to have someone elected with such a lack of character, intelligence, and diplomacy. It was not enough to have issues in IRAQ, IRAN, AFGHANISTAN, THE MIDDLE EAST for this idiot so now he escalates issues with NORTH KOREA, CHINA, CUBA, AND VENEZUELA? Does that make sense to anyone?

 

Notice that, while forced by Congress to sanction RUSSIA; he has stayed otherwise quiet on that country. Too many financial connections which I believe we will find out about soon enough.

 

North Korea basically has a dangerous toy, it has rockets, it maybe even has a warhead, but I doubt it has anything near a guidance system, a viable delivery system to protect the warhead prior to detonation, and most of all, the guts to start a war with the most powerful country in the world. Even China, because they are so economically linked to THE UNITED STATES has warned North Korea to NOT start anything.

 

As to being on the verge of nuclear war, we are both on the verge of nuclear war and NOT on the verge of nuclear war. We have technically been on the verge of nuclear war since 1946, but thankfully, regardless of administrations here, or in Russia, in China, in India, in Israel, or any other nuclear enabled country everyone sees the danger of escalation to the final countdown.

 

I don't think that Kim Jong Un is that stupid either. He knows if he starts anything there can only be two outcomes. He loses and is deposed or he is killed "in action".

 

That is why IT IS SO STUPID FOR TRUMP TO KEEP POKING KIM JONG UN WITH A STICK JUST TO PROVOKE ACTION ON HIS PART..........that is a sign of immaturity and weakness on the part of our President in the eyes of the world.

 

I am frankly embarrassed by this piece of excrement that has somehow become President.

 

 


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Bill Clinton briefly considered  a strike on N. Korea but the risks were too large. I find it interesting that the current Kim has decided he definitely needs to have a deterrent to keep the United States from deposing him and has escalated that after the current administration took office. 

 

My other worry about the Trump administration is that he does not know how to threaten.  His warning to Kim was that "If North Korea threatens the United States".  This is how North Korea talks to the world so a threat was inevitable and came within 12 hours. Trump then did nothing so he proved comparable of empty warnings without action. The point is that Trump does not carefully word his threats so they make him look weak and feckless.  The man is completely incompetent. 

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