North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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Sorry Scout,  your posts are true, they bring about valid points but what else do they bring,? Especially here, where most of us are quite knowledgeable regarding what has been happening in our country?
Don't you at least realize that we really need to take whatever actions there are in order to really have the results that we all seem to want?

What are you doing to advance this cause?  
Again, there is a big job ahead of all of us, and your posts will not have any effect on an outcome.
Please, let's  all start thinking on strategies that will work. Let's act effectively. Venting is not the only object of this message board.

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In the words of GEN Colan Powell: "You break it, you bought it".

jrbush lied us into war with Iraq and abandoned our easy and early victory in Afghanistan so his owners could grab the oil. JRBUSH BROKE IT, IT'S HIS AND HIS ALONE.

In Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance, with a very little help from us, defeated the Taliban and trapped OBL in Tora Bora. jrbush pulled back US Special Forces and allowed the Afghans the honor of making the final assault to kill or capture OBL, and it was a dismal failure. It should be obvious to even the most benighted GOPer that jr just wanted OBL to escape so he could keep the war drums beating for his REAL objective, the Iraqi oilfields.

 

President Obama USED our Special Forces to kill OBL WITH NO CASUALTIES in a situation a lot more difficult than binLaden's cave in Tora Bora.

 

jrbush was told by his Army Chief of Staff that we'd need 360,000 Troops to prevent civil war in Iraq after we defeated Saddam, but jr knew if he told the American Congress we'd need 360,000 troops, they wouldn't give him his war, so he fired the CSA and went with Rummy Dumbsfeld's guess of 60,000 - and we know how well THAT worked.

 

The Iraqi Army, whose alegience was to their country, not Saddam, offered to help maintain order after their defeat, but jrbush FIRED them, sent them home with no pay, no jobs, no honor and no future, BUT they did get to keep their weapons AND over a BILLION in crisp new $100-bills jr had used to try and bribe people to help us. Having been rejected by jrbush, the old Iraqi Army joined ISIS and turned agaggle of AlQaeda rejects into a real Army capable of defeating the Armys of Syria and the new one jr tried to stand up in Iraq.

ISIS IS 100% JRBUSH'S INVENTION.

 

Stop trying to rewrite history - that privilege belongs to WINNERS, not losers who elect draft-dodging preppytwits.

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Have you all seen on how this thread has developed?

Attacking each other? is that all there is?

Again, who cares who's at fault.?  how is this country going to resolve this issue? again, if Trump is here for the next 4 years, how is the Democratic Party going to deal with this Administration ?
What is the correct strategy?

Or are we all going to continue to point fingers at each other and accomplish nothing?
Start by expressing ideas, strategies, on how all of this will develop.
Frankly, I don't care who's fault it was, Obama, Bush, Clinton?  Who cares?

Now what? 

Are we capable of dealing with the reality of the situation? or do we continue to come here and insult each other, ?

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The difference is no one else in History has made such outlandish statements and called it "dipolmacy", but when the POSPOTUS is an infantile **bleep** elected by those with even less couth and composure, this is what you get - empty threats from an empty suit.


But that doesn't excuse that the previous administration left a can of worms to this one.  Talking about empty suits, an example is Obama's line in the sand, his failure to address many foreign issues, including allowing ISIS to gain a foothold in the middle east.

 

The most prominent issue from his administration is social engineering, wanting to change the armed forces a social change....and even doing it half-way leaving the transgender issue to the next administration.   That and creating problems in school lunches where kids refused to eat the food.

 

Between Obama and his Secretary of State, who will remain nameless, their idea of foreign policy was forcing American ideas on other countries.


“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”. . . FDR
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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

 

Republicans, who for a generation had railed against Democrats who they claimed "lost China" suddenly began shipping American jobs to the Commie Slaves, leaving Americans to compete for burger flipping and room cleaning.


Apparently you forget, or wasn't around in the post-war years of the 1940's, early 1950s when Japan started shipping cheap Japanese goods to America.  Made in Japan items was cheaper and popular on the American market.  No doubt that 'Made in Japan' became slang for shoddy made goods, but they began selling more than American made products.

 

It wasn't China who started the trend towards imports from overseas, but the post war development under the direction of the American military government, and as Japanese goods increased in quality, American importers looked for lower cost labor. 

 

Look for the 'made in' lable on your products and you'll find Thailand, Indonesia, Bangladesh, and other countries.   Bangladesh is the worse for slave labor working conditions over China.

 

And what does all of this have to do with the North Korean crisis which is left over from 8 years of the Obama administration.  Doubtful that they achieved rocketry and nuclear expertise in a few short months.  That takes years of development even with help.

 


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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@afisher wrote:

   It is weird, as there are currently, ongoing back channel communication with the North Koreans, which of course Donald doesn't want to talk about.   


This is nothing new with any administration, and no administration has ever admitted to the 'back channel' negotiations during crisis.  Even back during the Cuban Missile crisis there were these type negotiations.  It has been common knowledge for years among many.

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2017/05/john_f_kennedy_had_a_russian_back_ch...

 

This has been a feature of diplomacy for most of history...

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/world/americas/a-history-of-secret-us-channels-from-jefferson-to-...

 

 


The difference is no one else in History has made such outlandish statements and called it "dipolmacy", but when the POSPOTUS is an infantile **bleep** elected by those with even less couth and composure, this is what you get - empty threats from an empty suit.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Nixon "opened the door to China" which we all thought would be a good thing, but we forgot Nixon was a Republican so what he opened was only the door to the candy store for other Republicans.

 

Republicans, who for a generation had railed against Democrats who they claimed "lost China" suddenly began shipping American jobs to the Commie Slaves, leaving Americans to compete for burger flipping and room cleaning. Then Republicans made sure it became legal to "share the technology" for the factories their owners built in China, and in 20 years China became a technological giant producing virtually all the electronic products sold in America and oh by the way, they also began producing WEAPONS just as good as the ones our GIs had.

 

Now Republicans have elected an infantile idiot who thinks he can threaten to send our military off to attack an ally of Red China and none of that technology and manufacturing expertese our Republicans handed Red China will cause a problem for our troops?

 

The official estimate is that Red China has over 300 Nukes and lots of ICBMs.

Red China has no interest in having an "unfriendly" State on their border.

The USA has just 307 cities with a population over 100,000.

So Republicans, what's your solution?


And that means what - we should open a candy store in Pyongyang?

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Take the time to read the initial post from  a poster referring to "the many sides of Charlottevile."

That is a true representation on how most of Republicans have seen this incident.
If now Democrats are going to simply disregard what was said, In that case, we may even have Trump in 2020.

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@Richva wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

This is for the posters in this message board.

What are you all planning to do, if the Russian situation doesn't pan out, and Trump now is cleared to stay for the next 4 years.?

Any plans? 


Whether Trump and his campaign are cleared is irrelevant.  The Trump Brand is separate from the Republican Brand in any positive way.  The plan is to continue to work against Republican candidates as they come out of their holes and not even reference Trump. Pretty much every voter realizes Trump is incompetent.  It is old news. Whether he is a traitor will be decided. 


I agree with your post, and can you also provide with what you see as a strategy to follow in the event that this happens.? Remember. so far what I have seen in this message board, more attacking Trump than his policies. Remember that I am a Republican, I attend meetings, I hear what many of them say. and you all would be surprised. The portrait that you paint is seen by Democrats, Independents and perhpas some Republicans. The rest, we have seen here. and how they think. To understimate that number is not wise.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

This is for the posters in this message board.

What are you all planning to do, if the Russian situation doesn't pan out, and Trump now is cleared to stay for the next 4 years.?

Any plans? 


Whether Trump and his campaign are cleared is irrelevant.  The Trump Brand is separate from the Republican Brand in any positive way.  The plan is to continue to work against Republican candidates as they come out of their holes and not even reference Trump. Pretty much every voter realizes Trump is incompetent.  It is old news. Whether he is a traitor will be decided. 

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