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@Panjandrom

 

So what did the Obama/Hillary administration do to neutralize North Korea's having nuclear devices along with a delivery system?

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@creppelrm wrote:


Both Germany and Japan were soundly defeated.  The people most in leadership positions were punished.  Unlike the Korean war which never ended.  The Cold war with Russia never ended.  Viet Nam with Russia was the main supplier of arms, if you remember correctly we lost that one.  And as you claim that you were part of it.  Can you forget that easy?


No I haven't forgotten Vietnam, as I'm reminded of it every day since my highly educated wife is from there.  I do see through her family and friends there that they have adopted American ways, so we won the people if not the war.

 

Our consumerism has influenced Vietnam, and instead of destroying Germany or Japan, we helped restore their economy which the world is benefiting from now.  Don't you think it is better to make friends with our enemies instead of making them even worse adversaries?

 

Of course Reagan's words should be followed even here - 'Trust but Verify'.

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TxGrandpa:  Or could have just escalated tensions by refusing Kim's approaches to the West and reinforced the DMZ.   At least he is talking to them unlike Obama and Hillary who allowed tensions to escalate? 

 

North Korea achieved intercontinental missile capabity during Trump's watch. Prior to that he was a threat, but had no delivery system capable uf reaching the US. If you remember back a few months, it was Trump that escalated tensions with his puerile name calling and threats of "fire and fury"etc.

 

 

Perhaps Hillary would have agreed to meet for a slight contribution to the 'family business'?

 

 I think you mean Trump and his family raking in the money?

 

Ka-Ching

Donald Trump is raking in big bucks from emoluments foreign and domestic.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency...

 

Report: Trump Has Done a Great Job Profiting Off the Presidency

Particularly from foreign government and lobbyists.
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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@creppelrm wrote:

Trump should be talking and politely at that with long standing allies. 


So if we had followed your example with a defeated Germany and Japan where would we be today?  They both committed autrocities, especially the Japanese.  Now they are our staunchest allies.  Look at Vietnam.  Consumerism has made them trading partners. 

 

So apparently some here would prefer keeping tensions with North Korea at a high level instead of engaging in dialogue. 


Both Germany and Japan were soundly defeated.  The people most in leadership positions were punished.  Unlike the Korean war which never ended.  The Cold war with Russia never ended.  Viet Nam with Russia was the main supplier of arms, if you remember correctly we lost that one.  And as you claim that you were part of it.  Can you forget that easy?

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@creppelrm wrote:

Trump should be talking and politely at that with long standing allies. 


So if we had followed your example with a defeated Germany and Japan where would we be today?  They both committed autrocities, especially the Japanese.  Now they are our staunchest allies.  Look at Vietnam.  Consumerism has made them trading partners. 

 

So apparently some here would prefer keeping tensions with North Korea at a high level instead of engaging in dialogue. 

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Trump should be talking and politely at that with long standing allies.  Trade wars with friends while refusing to place tougher santions on Russia and lifting them all together on NK is not good deplomacy.  During the Korean war American POW's were sent to Russia never to be heard from again.  Word had it that medical experiments were conducted on them.

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Actually, we can see the trajectory already. Trump caves and declares victory. Trump loves them dictators and fights with Canadians.  Putin is so happy he made the investment.  I would not call giving away the cow to be advancing further. 


Or could have just escalated tensions by refusing Kim's approaches to the West and reinforced the DMZ.   At least he is talking to them unlike Obama and Hillary who allowed tensions to escalate?  Perhaps Hillary would have agreed to meet for a slight contribution to the 'family business'?

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Trump should be talking and praising allies who bled with us through many wars in the past instead of praising a dictator who has no problem killing his family members or anyone else he deems a threat.  Trump called Kim and honest trustworthy man while calling Trudeau just the opposite.  


Of course and persuading allies to give up their nuclear program and devices and quit threatening their neighbors with saber rattling or threatening the west with missiles?

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

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Yes, those beans Trump just bought by elevating Kim and dumping Moon may turn out to be magic ones after all...................maybe Trump can use them to feed the herd of unicorns he keeps. 


We just have to wait and see, but one never knows.  He and Kim are two of a kind, so some good might just come out of this.  But at least Trump has to be given credit for advancing further than Obama and his greedy Secretary of State.

 

Better to be talking than to be throwing bombs and bullets at each other.  One has to wonder who are the warmongers here.


Actually, we can see the trajectory already. Trump caves and declares victory. Trump loves them dictators and fights with Canadians.  Putin is so happy he made the investment.  I would not call giving away the cow to be advancing further.  Trump could have saved a lot of time by just taking that call from the Nigerian prince. 

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@Richva wrote:


Yes, those beans Trump just bought by elevating Kim and dumping Moon may turn out to be magic ones after all...................maybe Trump can use them to feed the herd of unicorns he keeps. 


We just have to wait and see, but one never knows.  He and Kim are two of a kind, so some good might just come out of this.  But at least Trump has to be given credit for advancing further than Obama and his greedy Secretary of State.

 

Better to be talking than to be throwing bombs and bullets at each other.  One has to wonder who are the warmongers here.


Trump should be talking and praising allies who bled with us through many wars in the past instead of praising a dictator who has no problem killing his family members or anyone else he deems a threat.  Trump called Kim and honest trustworthy man while calling Trudeau just the opposite.  

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