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No need to wipe down groceries or takeout....

No need to wipe down groceries or takeout, experts say, but do wash your hands


Has wiping down your groceries and take-out food become part of your coronavirus survival kit?

It might be time to reconsider, experts say, especially if that extra effort is adding to your daily stress. Even the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is re-emphasizing there's no real risk of getting the virus that causes Covid-19 that way.
"We want to assure you there is currently NO evidence of human or animal food or food packaging being associated with transmission of the #COVID19," the agency tweeted recently.
Jamie Lloyd-Smith is one of the scientists who worked on the only study to analyze how long SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, might remain on various surfaces.
Despite the fact his research found the virus might live on cardboard for up to 24 hours and metal and plastic for two to three days, Lloyd-Smith doesn't bother to wipe down his own groceries or takeout.
"I don't, personally," Lloyd-Wright said. "I treat my hands as potentially contaminated while I'm handling the groceries and unpacking them and I make sure that I wash them fully when I'm done with that process."
Virologist Dr. John Williams, who has studied coronaviruses for decades, is also not overly concerned.
"Personally, we're alternating cooking food at home and getting takeout food for a houseful of kids home from college right now," Williams said. "And we're not wiping down the containers from the restaurant."
Because the odds of someone coming along and depositing enough virus on a grocery item or takeout container are pretty low, "I view it as sort of a hypothetical risk," Lloyd-Smith said.
"So yes, I'm careful, I'll wash my hands, but I don't sort of regard it as glowing radioactively with virus."
His advice might change, said Lloyd-Smith, if the person was at high risk from the virus, such as elderly or immunocompromised.
"One reasonable and easy-to-implement precaution for groceries that don't need refrigeration is simply to let them sit for a day or more before unpacking them," he said. "This will vastly reduce the level of any contamination that is present."
  How did we get so concerned about groceries?


The concern over virus transmission via surfaces began in late March after the study published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine.
"What the study showed is that under certain conditions in the laboratory, which are obviously kind of artificial, SARS-CoV-2 is detectable for up to three hours in aerosols, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel," Lloyd-Smith said.
The experiment did not account for other factors that could help to inactivate the virus, such as sunlight or disinfectants or look at varying levels of virus, Lloyd-Smith said, so there's no "magic" in the numbers they found.
Food safety expert Benjamin Chapman agreed. "There's no magic number in this because temperature matters, humidity matters, how much virus was put there in the first place matters," said Chapman, a professor in the department of agricultural and human sciences at North Carolina State University.
The amount of SARS-CoV-2 also diminished rather quickly over time, compared to say, a norovirus or "cruise-ship" intestinal virus, said Williams, who is chief of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh.
In the study the virus was down "a hundred fold on cardboard in eight hours," Williams said. "That means 99% of the virus was gone by eight hours, and the same is true on stainless steel and plastic."
"The cruise ship norovirus, however, can persist for many days in an environment on inanimate objects," Williams added. "So you could be on a cruise and have norovirus and then your cruise finishes and I get on the next cruise in your cabin and I can get your norovirus."
  Washing hands is STILL key
If you want to focus on something that makes a key difference every time, experts say, it's much more important to become a fanatic about properly washing or sanitizing your hands after any potential encounter with coronavirus.
Instead of worrying about how long the virus will persist and spraying everything down or wiping it down with sanitizer, you can manage this "very unlikely route with low risk and make it even lower by just practicing proper good hand washing," said Chapman, "or using hand sanitizer once you've returned home from the grocery store or gotten takeout food.
"I don't want to discount this conversation or people's fears, but it's almost like it doesn't matter much as long as everyone is washing their hands," Chapman added.
If you are still really nervous about your risk of contamination by food products, then by all means use disinfectant wipes on the outside of containers, Williams said.
"Some people want to wear a belt and suspenders to hold their pants up, right?" Williams said.
"So if people are concerned about virus transmission from groceries or take out food, just carefully remove the inside containers of food from the outer bag, throw away the outer bag and then use a little hand gel or soap and water.
"But still, the odds of getting the virus that way are very, very low," Williams added.
Advice from the FDA....unlike putting a hairdryer up to your nostrils, holding your breath for 10 seconds of disinfecting your lungs.....ALL Right wing, FOX or trump medical advice.....

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: No need to wipe down groceries or takeout....


Meat makes me wonder,  guys on the line with covid-19,  virus on the meat, meat stays moist and is refrigerated.


We cook the meat, but we have to handle raw meat to do that,  think I'd use caution and careful cleanup on that.

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Cook your meat to the recommended temperature and you won't have an issue. 

"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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Cook your meat to the recommended temperature and you won't have an issue. 


I've been learning how to make bread. 


Flour and yeast have been hard to find though.


So I had to wonder, how did people in colonial times make bread?  Most people lived on small farms and couldn't buy bread from a baker, or get yeast from a brewer.


Come to find out yeast is on the grain and in the flour, you just have to cultivate it.


So now I trying to grow sourdough starters in jars.  I did manage to buy a 20 pound bag of rye flour. I made rye bread last night. It was OK, but bread making is a learned skill, and my skills need work.

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From all that I have read, there is not a direct transference of the virus for take out food or other grocery food items, if there is any issues it does appear to be a very low percentage and currently realitivly safe. But, as studies progress, we need to stay aware of the findings. 
Then we have trump interjecting his ultimate wisdom. Soon, I'm sure trump will want us to spray Clorox on our Chinese take out, and clean all of our groceries with Lysol. Then swallow, or somewhere worse, a UV light source after eating. 
All the while, trump has no clue about what he is talking about...that would be normal for him. 

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