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 Can anyone name a world problem that does not flow back to the far right, and its leader Trump?

 

 

I think we need a lineage chart.

 

It's like the six degrees of separation of terrorist acts that lead back to Trump.

 

Except I don't think is six degrees of separation, I think the line is pretty straight, you know leaders and followers.

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What you are watching is the world  being thrown in to turmoil by a right wing wanna be Dictator. It is what Germany did to the world in the 1930. Who is that person Trump. This is just another world problem that can be traced back to him. We have BREXIT in Europe, Trade War with China, The US being destroyed as a world leader, rise of dictator's around the world. Can anyone name a world problem that does not flow back to the far right, and its leader Trump?

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Will donny and the GOPers insist there are good people on both sides of this racist disaster like they did for the one in Charlottesville?

 

The twit-in-chief denies that white nationalism is a global threat; instead he thinks that it is "a small group of people that have very, very serious problems".

 

Pretty much answers that question. It's just a "small group". 

 

It is also interesting to note that one of the shooters mentioned Donny in the manifesto saying he supported the twit-in-chief as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policymaker and leader? Dear god no."

 

Donny's flippant remark just boggles me.  This was... IS... such a horrific event and this is what numb-nerts has to say?  How dare this news upstage his historic veto photo-op?

 

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Will donny and the GOPers insist there are good people on both sides of this racist disaster like they did for the one in Charlottesville?

 

Trump warned us

 

 Trump said: "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."

 

What more could we ask for, Trump gave us fair warning.

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Just more white terrorism.

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   The Guardian had some excellent coverage this AM.   The shooter posted his manifesto  

 

The 74-page document starts off quoting a Dylan Thomas poem, Do not go gentle into that good night, and then moves onto a rant about white genocide.

Tarrant outlines his motivations: including to “create an atmosphere of fear” and to “incite violence” against Muslims while offering up autobiographical details.

Tarrant, an Australian citizen who is believed to come from the northern New South Wales town of Grafton, entitles his document ‘The Great Replacement’    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/mar/15/christchurch-shooting-injuries-reported-as-police...

 

He used 8-chan as connection to other alt-right  white nationalists....

 

The good news is that unlike the US, NZ police did not kill this guy, so he can be prosecuted and not be martyr.   


Yep, far right White Supremacy:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-zealand-mosque-terrorist-may-have-targeted-country-because-it...


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   The Guardian had some excellent coverage this AM.   The shooter posted his manifesto  

 

The 74-page document starts off quoting a Dylan Thomas poem, Do not go gentle into that good night, and then moves onto a rant about white genocide.

Tarrant outlines his motivations: including to “create an atmosphere of fear” and to “incite violence” against Muslims while offering up autobiographical details.

Tarrant, an Australian citizen who is believed to come from the northern New South Wales town of Grafton, entitles his document ‘The Great Replacement’    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/mar/15/christchurch-shooting-injuries-reported-as-police...

 

He used 8-chan as connection to other alt-right  white nationalists....

 

The good news is that unlike the US, NZ police didnot kill this guy, so he can be prosecuted and not be martyr.   

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Will donny and the GOPers insist there are good people on both sides of this racist disaster like they did for the one in Charlottesville?


@gruffstuff wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/world/asia/new-zealand-shooting-updates-christchurch.html

 

New Zealand Shooting Live Updates: 49 Are Dead After 2 Mosques Are Hit

 

Forty-nine people were killed in shootings at two mosques in central Christchurch, New Zealand, on Friday, in a terrorist attack that Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern described as “an extraordinary and unprecedented act of violence.”

 

• Officials said that one man in his late 20s had been charged with murder, and that two explosive devices were found attached to a vehicle that they had stopped.

 

• A Muslim leader in New Zealand said the attack was especially shocking as it took place around Friday Prayer. The police urged people to stay away from the mosques until further notice.

 

• A video and manifesto that appeared to be by a gunman involved in the shooting were posted online on the day of the attack.

 

Two mosques are attacked

 

Shots were fired at Al Noor Mosque on Deans Avenue in the center of the city and at Linwood Mosque, about three miles away, the police said.

 

 

The country’s police commissioner, Mike Bush, said in an evening news conference that 41 people had been killed at Al Noor Mosque and seven at Linwood Mosque, and that another victim had died at Christchurch Hospital.

 

 

The police said that four people, including three men and one woman, had been taken into custody. Prime Minister Scott Morrison of Australia said that one of them was Australian.

Mr. Bush said that a man in his late 20s had been charged with murder and would appear in Christchurch court on Saturday morning. A number of firearms were recovered from the scenes of the shootings, he said.

 

 

Of the three others who were detained, the police commissioner said that one might have had nothing to do with the attack and that the police were working to determine how the other two might have been involved.

 

 

Ms. Ardern said earlier that none of those detained were on security watch lists.

Two explosive devices were found on one vehicle, Mr. Bush said, adding that the police had defused one and were in the process of defusing the other.

 

 

Mr. Bush had earlier urged people not to go to mosques anywhere in New Zealand on Friday. He also urged mosques nationally to “close your doors until you hear from us again.”

 

 

Video appears to show part of the shooting

 

A 17-minute video posted to social media appears to show part of the attack.

 

 

The clip, which may have been taken from a helmet camera worn by a gunman, begins behind the wheel of a car. A man, whose face can occasionally be seen in the rearview mirror, drives through the streets of Christchurch before pulling up in front of Al Noor Mosque, beside the sprawling Hagley Park.

 

 

He approaches the mosque on foot, his weapon visible, and begins shooting at people at the entrance. What follows is a harrowing nearly two minutes of his firing on worshipers.

 

 

At one point the gunman exits the mosque and fires in both directions down the sidewalk before returning to his car for another gun — which, like the others, was inscribed with numbers, symbols or messages. When he re-enters the mosque, he shoots several bodies at close range.

 

 

After another few minutes, he returns to his vehicle and drives away.

 

 

“There wasn’t even time to aim, there was so many targets,” he says at one point, as the sirens of an emergency response vehicle blare in the background.

 

 

A white nationalist manifesto

 

 

Before the shooting, someone appearing to be the gunman posted links to a white-nationalist manifesto on Twitter and 8chan, an online forum known for extremist right-wing discussions. The 8chan post included a link to what appeared to be the gunman’s Facebook page, where he said he would also broadcast live video of the attack.

 

 

The Twitter posts showed weapons covered in the names of past military generals and men who have recently carried out mass shootings.

 

 

In his manifesto, he identified himself as a 28-year-old man born in Australia and listed his white nationalist heroes.

 

 

Writing that he had purposely used guns to stir discord in the United States over the Second Amendment’s provision on the right to bear arms, he also declared himself a fascist. “For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist,” he wrote.

 

 

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I didn't know they had Red Hats in New Zealand, I guess it all goes together, one thing lead to another.

 

White Supremacy > Guns > Red Hats > Nazis  > People who are not white  > Death

 

Maybe we need a chart.

 

 

 

 

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This was an act induced by the hatred that White Supremacists harbor. No one should try and minimize or somehow defend the actions of the perpetrators, yet I have a feeling that will happen. Anyone doing so is of the racist Alt-Right, IMHO.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/world/asia/new-zealand-shooting-updates-christchurch.html

 

New Zealand Shooting Live Updates: 49 Are Dead After 2 Mosques Are Hit

 

Forty-nine people were killed in shootings at two mosques in central Christchurch, New Zealand, on Friday, in a terrorist attack that Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern described as “an extraordinary and unprecedented act of violence.”

 

• Officials said that one man in his late 20s had been charged with murder, and that two explosive devices were found attached to a vehicle that they had stopped.

 

• A Muslim leader in New Zealand said the attack was especially shocking as it took place around Friday Prayer. The police urged people to stay away from the mosques until further notice.

 

• A video and manifesto that appeared to be by a gunman involved in the shooting were posted online on the day of the attack.

 

Two mosques are attacked

 

Shots were fired at Al Noor Mosque on Deans Avenue in the center of the city and at Linwood Mosque, about three miles away, the police said.

 

 

The country’s police commissioner, Mike Bush, said in an evening news conference that 41 people had been killed at Al Noor Mosque and seven at Linwood Mosque, and that another victim had died at Christchurch Hospital.

 

 

The police said that four people, including three men and one woman, had been taken into custody. Prime Minister Scott Morrison of Australia said that one of them was Australian.

Mr. Bush said that a man in his late 20s had been charged with murder and would appear in Christchurch court on Saturday morning. A number of firearms were recovered from the scenes of the shootings, he said.

 

 

Of the three others who were detained, the police commissioner said that one might have had nothing to do with the attack and that the police were working to determine how the other two might have been involved.

 

 

Ms. Ardern said earlier that none of those detained were on security watch lists.

Two explosive devices were found on one vehicle, Mr. Bush said, adding that the police had defused one and were in the process of defusing the other.

 

 

Mr. Bush had earlier urged people not to go to mosques anywhere in New Zealand on Friday. He also urged mosques nationally to “close your doors until you hear from us again.”

 

 

Video appears to show part of the shooting

 

A 17-minute video posted to social media appears to show part of the attack.

 

 

The clip, which may have been taken from a helmet camera worn by a gunman, begins behind the wheel of a car. A man, whose face can occasionally be seen in the rearview mirror, drives through the streets of Christchurch before pulling up in front of Al Noor Mosque, beside the sprawling Hagley Park.

 

 

He approaches the mosque on foot, his weapon visible, and begins shooting at people at the entrance. What follows is a harrowing nearly two minutes of his firing on worshipers.

 

 

At one point the gunman exits the mosque and fires in both directions down the sidewalk before returning to his car for another gun — which, like the others, was inscribed with numbers, symbols or messages. When he re-enters the mosque, he shoots several bodies at close range.

 

 

After another few minutes, he returns to his vehicle and drives away.

 

 

“There wasn’t even time to aim, there was so many targets,” he says at one point, as the sirens of an emergency response vehicle blare in the background.

 

 

A white nationalist manifesto

 

 

Before the shooting, someone appearing to be the gunman posted links to a white-nationalist manifesto on Twitter and 8chan, an online forum known for extremist right-wing discussions. The 8chan post included a link to what appeared to be the gunman’s Facebook page, where he said he would also broadcast live video of the attack.

 

 

The Twitter posts showed weapons covered in the names of past military generals and men who have recently carried out mass shootings.

 

 

In his manifesto, he identified himself as a 28-year-old man born in Australia and listed his white nationalist heroes.

 

 

Writing that he had purposely used guns to stir discord in the United States over the Second Amendment’s provision on the right to bear arms, he also declared himself a fascist. “For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist,” he wrote.

 

 

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I didn't know they had Red Hats in New Zealand, I guess it all goes together, one thing lead to another.

 

White Supremacy > Guns > Red Hats > Nazis  > People who are not white  > Death

 

Maybe we need a chart.

 

 

 
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