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Tell me of this "Socialized Medicine" of which you speak.  I keep asking for a definition of the term and all I hear are crickets.

 

Socialized Medicine is a general term used to describe any "government" owned and operated medical system. Our VA medical system is an example.

 

The English medical system is said to be Socialized Medicine because in England all medical facilities, including pharmacies, are government owned and operated. All medical personal are government employees.

 

Note: Medical facilities and services operate outside of free markets. That does not mean such cannot be for-profit. However, it does mean profit gained is not from market competition.

 


 

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It sounds like you have a problem with our medical services delivery system - we don't have corpsmen. No doubt there is much could be done to improve the efficiency and cost of medical care but it does not involve Socialized medicine. It calls for following the advise of "Dick" in Henry VI - "let's kill all the lawyers".


Tell me of this "Socialized Medicine" of which you speak.  I keep asking for a definition of the term and all I hear are crickets.  Do you mean the type of medical system used in Canada, England, and most of Europe  or something they use in Venezuela?  You are using terms you have not defined. 

 

 


I mean the government being in total control of 1/7th of our economy and an essential service.

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If your 1954 rusted out Rambler breaks down, you do NOT set out to repair it as your primary transportation. You get a new car. Same applies to "fixing" our health care system.

 

Scout,
We do not have a health care system problem. We have a  "health insurance" problem.

Medicare-for-all is a health insurance program that will end (fix) that problem.

Note: We have one of the best health care systems on this planet.

 


No, we have the 37th best health care system in the World, we're only #1 in COST, and while Insurance is part of the problem, it includes the delivery system which is based on profit maximization and the AMA which has restricted the SUPPLY of physicians to drive up their incomes for the last 100 years.


Scout,

 

We have one of the best health care systems in the world. Despite that, our national health is 37th. Why? That is what having any uninsured does to the health in a country.

 

Before you give me grief over that, We are the richest and most powerful country on this planet with the biggest and most productive economy. Despite having all of that with one of the best  health care systems on this planet our national health is 37th....37th...Why?

 

We have uninsured. Medicare for All would end that and cut the guts out of our federal and state spending.


@alotofgrey - We agree we have the best EQUIPPED health care system, and agree the problem is in DELIVERING the care to ALL the American people.

 

We have uninsured because Republicans get elected and prevent anything that does not benefit the 1% at the expense ofthe 99%. To get Medicare for all requires we CHANGE our current system to make it affordable and accessible. Otherwise it will remain unaffordable and inaccessable- Medicare works because we pay for it IN ADVANCE - during a 40-year working life. If we want the improved care while we're working those 40 years, a LOT has to change.

 

I offered a handful of suggestions that would cut the cost of our care by about half and reduce the problem of under served areas.That's to move toward the accessable and affordable parts.

 

Until those issues are addressed AND RESOLVED, we'll stay #1 in cost (and profits) and #37 in results will be a high-point as the rest of the World continues to improve their delivery while we elect morons who increase the number of uninsured freeloaders and cut service to those who try and keep their insurance, like parents of kids with pre-existing conditions.

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As usual, the Conservatives forget to give you the facts you need so let us mention that America spent $3.2 Trillion dollars on healthcare last year and did NOT cover every resident. So, for the same price you are paying today for worse outcomes and less coverage you can cover everyone. 

 

That is the free enterprise system. Someone offers you twice the product for the same price, you take it. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

It sounds like you have a problem with our medical services delivery system - we don't have corpsmen. No doubt there is much could be done to improve the efficiency and cost of medical care but it does not involve Socialized medicine. It calls for following the advise of "Dick" in Henry VI - "let's kill all the lawyers".


Tell me of this "Socialized Medicine" of which you speak.  I keep asking for a definition of the term and all I hear are crickets.  Do you mean the type of medical system used in Canada, England, and most of Europe  or something they use in Venezuela?  You are using terms you have not defined. 

 

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@alotofgrey wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

If your 1954 rusted out Rambler breaks down, you do NOT set out to repair it as your primary transportation. You get a new car. Same applies to "fixing" our health care system.

 

Scout,
We do not have a health care system problem. We have a  "health insurance" problem.

Medicare-for-all is a health insurance program that will end (fix) that problem.

Note: We have one of the best health care systems on this planet.

 


No, we have the 37th best health care system in the World, we're only #1 in COST, and while Insurance is part of the problem, it includes the delivery system which is based on profit maximization and the AMA which has restricted the SUPPLY of physicians to drive up their incomes for the last 100 years.


Scout,

 

We have one of the best health care systems in the world. Despite that, our national health is 37th. Why? That is what having any uninsured does to the health in a country.

 

Before you give me grief over that, We are the richest and most powerful country on this planet with the biggest and most productive economy. Despite having all of that with one of the best  health care systems on this planet our national health is 37th....37th...Why?

 

We have uninsured. Medicare for All would end that and cut the guts out of our federal and state spending.

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They ask "Do you support Medicare For All if it gives the Government too much control over health care?" when the real question is "Do you support Government controlling what providers receive for services just as they do now with Medicare?" @scout.......question for you......How many of the providers do you think will stop operating their "business" and when they do and services are slow, lean and non-existent what do you think will happen? I know some doctors who are packing it up already.

Fewer than ever stopped treating Medicare patients, and every one who goes out of business to make a political statement will be replaced by two who realize always getting paid for everyone you treat is a no-lose situation.

 

The REALITY is while Medicare and Medicare for all may not pay as much as the Corporate Charge Master says they should, because those rates are totally fictional and should never be used as a yardstick of how care providers are compensated.  What Medicare DOES pay is the actual cost of delivering the service plus a reasonable profit. Proof is readily available by checking what the rest of the World considers ample compensation for various procedures, and noting the "Charge Master" fiction is outrageously excessive.

 

There's a reason we are the only industrialized Nation without Universal coverage. Its because we're the only industrialized Nation WITH REPUBLICANS.


Is it Republicans you don't like or is it free market capitalism? You do know that if you have your dreams fulfilled and no more Republicans just your one Party, strong central authority you will have your dream of wealth redistribution. That is the point - is it not?


Republicans are the ONLY reason we don't have Universal health care.

 

What did you take to induce the dream health care has anything to do with free market capitalism?

 

A "Free Market" depends on the ability of the consumer to make rational decisions about their purchases. There is no ability of the consumer to select services based on necessary information to make such a decision because the "track record" for physicians is not public, nor is the efficiency of the Hospital or clinic. And then there's the fact one does not drive around the city in the ambulance looking for the best deal in an ER after they suffer traumatic injury.

 

The pricing of the services is based on "what the traffic will bear" with no regard for the actual cost to provide the service, nor is there the slightest hint of "price competition" among providers.


The availability of physicians is totally controlled by the physicians themselves. The AMA has restricted Medical School class size for at least 100 years, and they have driven lower cost competitors our of the market, like Midwives that deliver the vast majority of children born in the rest of the industrialized world and nurse practitioners who, like military corpsmen, could handle a great deal of the care for patients at a fraction of the cost.

 

So something will replace the present GOP, just as it replaced the Party that existed pre-1980, there is no "free market Capitalism" in our health care system, and you should admit what you really want is to continue the redistribution of wealth (in addition to income) from the middle class to the top of the 1% until your dream of an American Oligarchy is achieved.


It sounds like you have a problem with our medical services delivery system - we don't have corpsmen. No doubt there is much could be done to improve the efficiency and cost of medical care but it does not involve Socialized medicine. It calls for following the advise of "Dick" in Henry VI - "let's kill all the lawyers".

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@Soosie wrote:
They ask "Do you support Medicare For All if it gives the Government too much control over health care?" when the real question is "Do you support Government controlling what providers receive for services just as they do now with Medicare?" @scout.......question for you......How many of the providers do you think will stop operating their "business" and when they do and services are slow, lean and non-existent what do you think will happen? I know some doctors who are packing it up already.

Fewer than ever stopped treating Medicare patients, and every one who goes out of business to make a political statement will be replaced by two who realize always getting paid for everyone you treat is a no-lose situation.

 

The REALITY is while Medicare and Medicare for all may not pay as much as the Corporate Charge Master says they should, because those rates are totally fictional and should never be used as a yardstick of how care providers are compensated.  What Medicare DOES pay is the actual cost of delivering the service plus a reasonable profit. Proof is readily available by checking what the rest of the World considers ample compensation for various procedures, and noting the "Charge Master" fiction is outrageously excessive.

 

There's a reason we are the only industrialized Nation without Universal coverage. Its because we're the only industrialized Nation WITH REPUBLICANS.


There is a reason why so many people are trying to sneak into our country. I'll give you three guesses why and it's not because we don't have universal healthcare for all for free!


The people "sneaking in" are fleeing a war in their homeland. Those who came here in the past looking for a LOW END job have been LEAVING - there's about 2 million FEWER undocumented workers in the country now then there was before the jrbush crash.  NOBODY is coming here for the pathetic social services we provide. 


They are coming here because here they can be free and have a better chance to achieve whatever their intelligence and skills are capable of. They are definitely not coming here for social handouts like the left wants for all.

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Medicare for All would cover hearing.....oral health care....mental health....and substance abuse.....and save $2 Trillion....Wow!

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@Soosie wrote:
They ask "Do you support Medicare For All if it gives the Government too much control over health care?" when the real question is "Do you support Government controlling what providers receive for services just as they do now with Medicare?" @scout.......question for you......How many of the providers do you think will stop operating their "business" and when they do and services are slow, lean and non-existent what do you think will happen? I know some doctors who are packing it up already.

Fewer than ever stopped treating Medicare patients, and every one who goes out of business to make a political statement will be replaced by two who realize always getting paid for everyone you treat is a no-lose situation.

 

The REALITY is while Medicare and Medicare for all may not pay as much as the Corporate Charge Master says they should, because those rates are totally fictional and should never be used as a yardstick of how care providers are compensated.  What Medicare DOES pay is the actual cost of delivering the service plus a reasonable profit. Proof is readily available by checking what the rest of the World considers ample compensation for various procedures, and noting the "Charge Master" fiction is outrageously excessive.

 

There's a reason we are the only industrialized Nation without Universal coverage. Its because we're the only industrialized Nation WITH REPUBLICANS.


There is a reason why so many people are trying to sneak into our country. I'll give you three guesses why and it's not because we don't have universal healthcare for all for free!


The people "sneaking in" are fleeing a war in their homeland. Those who came here in the past looking for a LOW END job have been LEAVING - there's about 2 million FEWER undocumented workers in the country now then there was before the jrbush crash.  NOBODY is coming here for the pathetic social services we provide. 

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