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Who's gonna make doc's accept that much less when they were already really upset with their pay before the doc fix a few years ago.

 

Not all doctors think the way you think they think.

 

More Than 200 Quebec Doctors Oppose Proposed Pay raise for Themselves
Canadian Press
February, 2018
MONTREAL—More than 250 doctors and residents in Quebec have asked the provincial government to backtrack on plans to give them and other physicians substantial pay hikes, saying the money should instead be spent on the front lines of the health system.


In an open letter, they say the increases are particularly shocking given that other health-care workers such as nurses and orderlies face difficult working conditions.


The letter, which was signed by general practitioners, specialists and residents, comes at a time when many nurses are complaining about excessive workloads.

 

Besides, where are these disgruntled American doctors going to go? Every major industrialized nation in the world has a universal healthcare system. 

Maybe they can go to the Domincan Republic -- No Universal Healthcare.

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@Olderscout66

 

Just saying what this study revealed -

Source:   Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, the Harvard Global Health Institute, and the London School of Economics:

Harvard Gazette 03/13/2018 - What's behind high U.S. health care costs

 

The study was also published on the same day in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

 

The main drivers of higher health care spending in the U.S. are generally high prices — for salaries of physicians and nurses, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and administration.

 

What is your current support for your beliefs?

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@GailL1 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@GailL1 wrote:

WOW - guess the Dems need to go back to their calculators.

Who's gonna make doc's accept that much less when they were already really upset with their pay before the doc fix a few years ago.

 

WP Fact Checker - democrats seize on Cherry-Picked Claim that "Medicare for All" would save $ 2 Tril...

 

It got not one, not two, but three Pinochios - 


And yet, every other country in the world uses this system with lower costs, better results, and universal coverage. 


So should we just find some way to lower ALL the prices from pharmaceuticals to doctors, specialist, labs and diagnostics, hospitals, etc. And then our cost would be more equal to the health outcome results we are getting?  

 

Instead of spending close to 18% or GDP as we do now, we spend around 11 - 12 %, as other countries do.  Change nothing else - that's what a study by the Harvard Global Health said earlier this year.  ALL the problems come from what we pay for services and products - or whomever pays - us, insurance companies, government.

 

 


Only Republicans suggest the solution is so absurd as what you propose. All the problems (nicely summarized by our #37 ranking for outcomes) come from having so many people NOT COVERED. If you can afford to get it, our health care is GREAT. Otherwise you spend hours or days in the ER when your problem could've been addressed weeks earlier with a simple script.

 

No other country treats their citizens health as a commodity to be brokered in a rigged marketplace. No other country has middle class people fleeing abroad for everything from prescription drugs to major surgery.

 

The problem is NOT "overpaid doctors" as was the Republican arguement for pushing HMOs. Doctors in Germany make well over $120,000/year and don't have to save for their kids education OR pay off huge school loan debt, nor do they get harrassed with nusance lawsuits.

 

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@Richva wrote:

@GailL1 wrote:

WOW - guess the Dems need to go back to their calculators.

Who's gonna make doc's accept that much less when they were already really upset with their pay before the doc fix a few years ago.

 

WP Fact Checker - democrats seize on Cherry-Picked Claim that "Medicare for All" would save $ 2 Tril...

 

It got not one, not two, but three Pinochios - 


And yet, every other country in the world uses this system with lower costs, better results, and universal coverage. 


So should we just find some way to lower ALL the prices from pharmaceuticals to doctors, specialist, labs and diagnostics, hospitals, etc. And then our cost would be more equal to the health outcome results we are getting?  

 

Instead of spending close to 18% or GDP as we do now, we spend around 11 - 12 %, as other countries do.  Change nothing else - that's what a study by the Harvard Global Health said earlier this year.  ALL the problems come from what we pay for services and products - or whomever pays - us, insurance companies, government.

 

 

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Tell me of this "Socialized Medicine" of which you speak.  I keep asking for a definition of the term and all I hear are crickets.

 

Socialized Medicine is a general term used to describe any "government" owned and operated medical system. Our VA medical system is an example.

 

The English medical system is said to be Socialized Medicine because in England all medical facilities, including pharmacies, are government owned and operated. All medical personal are government employees.

 

Note: Medical facilities and services operate outside of free markets. That does not mean such cannot be for-profit. However, it does mean profit gained is not from market competition.

 


 


Ah, then by your definition, "Medicare for all" would not be socialism. The government would own none of the facilities. It simply becomes a single payer. 


Can we agree that "Medicare for all" is a fraud since Medicare is something people pay into, Medicaid is one they do not pay in to; and both start at age 65.


Only if we lie. Medicare for All is a "slogan" for Universal Single Payer, and the major change is in the billing process. Your definition of "Socialized Medicine" is "anything that gives poor people health care" because nothing else fits.

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What is being proposed is Universal, Single-Payer NOT "Medicare For All" -that's just a convient label.

As for the probable savings, the $2 Trillion over 10 years is only applicable if Republicans continue to hold majorities, otherwise the savings are astronomically higher.

 

Back in the 1980's Reagan's Surgeon General had a study done showing hospitals could reduce their administrative costs by half if we just got 3 standardized versions of Insurance Claims forms to replace the hundreds then in use.

 

Hospitals account for $1.1 Trillion of our ANNUAL health care costs, and 30% is for administration. Getting rid of ALL those forms would save at least half the overhead, or $165 Billion EACH YEAR. Standardizing reimbursement according to VA guidelines would eliminate the need for hospitals to maintain their felonous "Charge Master" systems, saving another $5 Billion in overhead.

 

Using Midwives for "uncomplicate deliveries" is the rule in every other industrialized country, and they all have much better rates of infant mortality than we do. The cost of delivery by midwife in the highest cost country (the UK) is $7,000 while the average cost for an uncomplicated hospital delivery in the US  is $32,500. That $25,500 reduction for 4 million uncomplicated births each year saves another $22.5 Billion.

 

The study claiming savings $2 Trillion in 10 years thought we could cut $84.6Billion/year from our bill for pharmacuticals, but the FACT is Big Pharma sells their drugs to the rest of the world for HALF what Americans pay. The cost of prescription drugs is $329 Billion/year, cutting the cost to whatever the lowest price the companies accept would save $160 Billion per year, and giving them a fantastic break, we could accept a 25% reduction and save $80 Billion and still pay more than everyone else for the same drugs.

 

There - just THREE things that we know can be reduced give us annual savings of $272.5 BILLION, or $2.7 Trillion over 10 years. All we need to make this happen is VOTE OUT THE NRAGOP IN NOVEMBER.

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@Richva wrote:

@alotofgrey wrote:

@Richva wrote:


Tell me of this "Socialized Medicine" of which you speak.  I keep asking for a definition of the term and all I hear are crickets.

 

Socialized Medicine is a general term used to describe any "government" owned and operated medical system. Our VA medical system is an example.

 

The English medical system is said to be Socialized Medicine because in England all medical facilities, including pharmacies, are government owned and operated. All medical personal are government employees.

 

Note: Medical facilities and services operate outside of free markets. That does not mean such cannot be for-profit. However, it does mean profit gained is not from market competition.

 


 


Ah, then by your definition, "Medicare for all" would not be socialism. The government would own none of the facilities. It simply becomes a single payer. 


Can we agree that "Medicare for all" is a fraud since Medicare is something people pay into, Medicaid is one they do not pay in to; and both start at age 65.

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@alotofgrey wrote:

@Richva wrote:


Tell me of this "Socialized Medicine" of which you speak.  I keep asking for a definition of the term and all I hear are crickets.

 

Socialized Medicine is a general term used to describe any "government" owned and operated medical system. Our VA medical system is an example.

 

The English medical system is said to be Socialized Medicine because in England all medical facilities, including pharmacies, are government owned and operated. All medical personal are government employees.

 

Note: Medical facilities and services operate outside of free markets. That does not mean such cannot be for-profit. However, it does mean profit gained is not from market competition.

 


 


Ah, then by your definition, "Medicare for all" would not be socialism. The government would own none of the facilities. It simply becomes a single payer. 

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WOW - guess the Dems need to go back to their calculators.

Who's gonna make doc's accept that much less when they were already really upset with their pay before the doc fix a few years ago.

 

WP Fact Checker - democrats seize on Cherry-Picked Claim that "Medicare for All" would save $ 2 Tril...

 

It got not one, not two, but three Pinochios - 


And yet, every other country in the world uses this system with lower costs, better results, and universal coverage. 

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WOW - guess the Dems need to go back to their calculators.

Who's gonna make doc's accept that much less when they were already really upset with their pay before the doc fix a few years ago.

 

WP Fact Checker - democrats seize on Cherry-Picked Claim that "Medicare for All" would save $ 2 Tril...

 

It got not one, not two, but three Pinochios - 

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