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Legal briefs?  "Demanded money" - we again come to whether you believe he gave the money out of the goodness of his heart. If not, we are right back to extortion.

 


 


If Daniels and McDougal are such masterful extortionists, then they really REALLY suck at it, because it was Trump, Cohen and Pecker drawing up the contracts. That would be like kidnappers sending a ransom note that reads "make up your own terms."

 

Your quarter ran out on this ride a long time ago, rk.

 

 "Masterful"???????  How about, "Make up your own contract but give me the money"? Not masterful but effective. 


 


Or Trump failed negotiation 101 again.


What would have been a better negotiated agreement in your mind?

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President Trump was not running in 2014 so could not have broken any campaign laws. In 2016 he arranged to have the extortionists paid off with his own money - no law broken there. 

 


No duh, rk. Nobody said he did break a law in 2014. A person can talk about breaking the law, but can't be charged until they do (unless they're making threats). You seriously didn't know that? Wow. Since you didn't know that, it explains why you get other legal matters wrong as well. The documents for Cohen and Pecker state that THE CONSPIRACY TO BREAK THE LAW WAS HATCHED IN 2014. You also claiming that Pecker is lying? Pathetic.

 

Funny how you keep claiming the serial adulterer was extorted. Pity the facts, let alone the law, don't support your wild fantasies. And by the way, not reporting in-kind contributions is breaking the law, and so is the conspiracy to keep the payments secret.

 

What else ya got?

 

Logic and common sense.

 

Since he supposedly violated campaign rules, how could he possibly hatch a plan to violate campaign law in 2014?


Logic and common sense, eh? Then how come you can't read the sentencing documents for yourself. How come you can't familiarize yourself with the charges, and how the law applies to them, before commenting about something you clearly know nothing about. The purposely dense act isn't gonna work for Trump, either.

 

Only in republican world would a bunch of millionaires plea guilty, courts accepts those guilty pleas, those millionaires are sentenced for crimes they admit to committing, yet Trump's sycophants still insist nobody broke the law. Pathetic!

 

 


Many words, a few insults and even something about class warfare yet no response to the question of how can a 2014 event can be a campaign violation years later.

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You seem to be making stuff up again. Paying someone off or making any kind of a business and/or fiscal arrangement to prevent information from being revealed is giving in to extortion.

 

Now, you can name all the people involved you want but the bottom line is - they had an embarrassing story to tell and were paid not to.


Rk,, are you sure you are not copying Rudy Juliani?  because you come up with the same or similar philosophy like Rudy.

Ok, Rk, it no one dies or gets robbed is not a crime.  LOL  LOL  LOL

The whole thing if you really believe your own post, which  I doubt because I know for a fact that you are an intelligent individual but at this time in your life unable to admit that you have blown it/

Trump is the scourge of the times. liar, crook,. does not even know when he is doing things that are above the law, insults like  a  mobster, and puts this country in the most horrible place that it has ever been

I doubt that the tea party today would actually have no trouble with Trump and his tweets. unless they have forgotten the moral standards that they always seem to tell us about.

 


What has robbed, murdered, Giuliani, scourge, mind reading, or the tea party to do with what I posted and you were unable to respond to?

 

It's good you giggled - it is the typical lefty response to logic they cannot deal with. I know that because RabbiTimothy told me so.

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President Trump was not running in 2014 so could not have broken any campaign laws. In 2016 he arranged to have the extortionists paid off with his own money - no law broken there. 

 


No duh, rk. Nobody said he did break a law in 2014. A person can talk about breaking the law, but can't be charged until they do (unless they're making threats). You seriously didn't know that? Wow. Since you didn't know that, it explains why you get other legal matters wrong as well. The documents for Cohen and Pecker state that THE CONSPIRACY TO BREAK THE LAW WAS HATCHED IN 2014. You also claiming that Pecker is lying? Pathetic.

 

Funny how you keep claiming the serial adulterer was extorted. Pity the facts, let alone the law, don't support your wild fantasies. And by the way, not reporting in-kind contributions is breaking the law, and so is the conspiracy to keep the payments secret.

 

What else ya got?

 

Logic and common sense.

 

Since he supposedly violated campaign rules, how could he possibly hatch a plan to violate campaign law in 2014?


I understand your confusion - Der Trumper has been caught committing SOOOO many felony crimes in the last 2 years, it's difficult to keep them straight. Trump ordered Cohen to find a way to silence Daniels back in 2014 so his romp with the porn star would not become a big deal if he decided to run for President. So what he has been implicated in as an unindicted co-conspirator in the violation of campaign finance laws and tax laws when he was running for President had its origin back in 2014.


Do you really think he was thinking of running for President in 2014? If so, what do you base that on?

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trump offered her money, you left that tidbit out. trump is guilty of conspiricy and broke campaign laws. Are you OK with that?


Offered her money for what? 

 

If campaign rules were violated (I don't know), there are officials to deal with that and, if appropriate, levy a fine (the standard approach). But a Special Council and sending people to jail over such a questionable issue is, I'm sure you'll agree, quite unique.


Again you act like trump did nothing serious which is not the case. You're right it is "unique".  Slimeball trump is "unique" in doing what he did, nothing questionable about it and nothing questionable about sending someone to jail for the kind of conspiracy that trump is guilty of.


Yes, I am and yes it is.

 

It is my understanding that campaign irregularities (if he actually did that) are punishable by a fine. What are you sending the President to jail for?


This is beyond "irregularities", it's breaking campaign finance laws.  I'm not sending the president to jail but Mueller might, and if not, New York will.  yuk yuk yuk


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"I'll tell everyone what you did if you don't give me money" - is that not extortion?


No, it's not, because Daniels had already talked about it - IN 2011.

 

It was then that Cohen threatened to sue In Touch magazine if they ever published her interview detailing her affair with Trump.

 

And then in 2016 Trump and Cohen wanted to ensure she kept her mouth shut, so they offered her money if she'd sign the NDA. Then came the shell company, and the aliases, and the failure to report in-kind campaign contributions, and then 2 years of lies, until the guilty pleas started piling up.

 

But if you're so certain that Trump's got a case, call up the White House counsel (before any more of them resign) and tell them to pursue extortion charges against Daniels and McDougal.

 

That theory would mean that the President just decided to pay out all that money out of the goodness of his heart. I doubt you are going to accept the "goodness of his heart" theory.


Nope, it wasn't out of the "goodness of his heart". He paid it out to keep the dirt of it from affecting his campaign for president, part of him breaking campaign finance laws and being guilty of conspiracy.


On the assumption that he wanted the "dirt" not exposed for political reasons, personal reasons, professional reasons, whatever reasons - he was extorted.

 

If the proper authorities want to look into it - fine, it is not uncommon. But  to go from "Russian collusion" to paying off an extortionist is quite a leap for a Special Council.


No, he wasn't "extorted"  trump knew he was doing wrong, he did it of his own accord. He conspired with the National Enquirer and he offered hush money. Trump broke the law.  In fact .......... he broke the law even if he had been "extorted".


He probably did know - he knew he was being extorted and opted to pay off (with his own money). If it was his own money, what law did he break?


Can you show evidence of how he was "extorted"? No?  How about that. No surprise, just a empty accusation.  He broke campaign finance laws that have been explained, try and focus.


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rk9152:  What makes giving in to extortion a violation?

 

 

 

When did either of these women contact Trump and threaten that either he pays them off or they talk? You keep leaving that out . *dying laughing*


He paid, they got, what is missing?


Extortion - that is what is missing - any indication of extortion.

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I am baffled.  How can Trump supporters still find reason to support such a man as this?  You know, I don't much care if Trump paid those women from his wallet or his campaign fund or by way of conspiracy with The National Inquirer.  For me the true bone of contention is in the fact that he felt he "had" to do it because of HIS own bad behavior; that it was not a "good look" for a so-called "moral" man who was attempting to ascend to the highest office in the land.  Ultimately, the fact of the matter is Mr. Trump is neither moral or presidential and yet there he sits in The White House--flawed without marrow for all the world to see.  What a disgrace!


It appears he had sex with many women over the years. Two wanted to be paid off or they would "go public". Whether it was family reasons, political reasons, or professional reasons - who knows but he opted to pay them off with his own money.

 

All this "What a disgrace" drama is no more than one more outlet for the Cult of Hatred which still hasn't gotten over not getting their way in the '16 election.

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Wrong!  This is not about the mythical "Cult of Hatred" or your previous wrong-head claims that those of us on the left "hate" Trump and his supporters.  Nor is it about some mourning of the loss of the 2016 election to this man who, for all intents and purposses, is nothing more or less than the head of a criminal enterprise.   No,  let me be clear.  Trump is the disgrace!   He is a liar.  He is a cheater.  He is a con man.  He is ignorant and has no knowledge of how government works. Lastly, he is not the president of the whole of the United States--only a select few (his supporters).  Ultimately, he really should not be sitting in The Oval at all.  Guess he has Putin to thank for that!  In short, all of the above is true and yet not one ounce of hate is involved--just sad "facts" about the inadequacies of the man Trump.


 


Of course it's about the cult of hatred - who else cares who he had sex with years ago? And who else (certainly not Mueller) is still talking about his supposed involvement with "Russian collusion"?

 

And then, as if to make the point, a totally off-topic comment about inadequacies.


What is your official position on the Mueller team? Mueller has not been talking about his investigation since it started, why should he start now?

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Legal briefs?  "Demanded money" - we again come to whether you believe he gave the money out of the goodness of his heart. If not, we are right back to extortion.

 


 


If Daniels and McDougal are such masterful extortionists, then they really REALLY suck at it, because it was Trump, Cohen and Pecker drawing up the contracts. That would be like kidnappers sending a ransom note that reads "make up your own terms."

 

Your quarter ran out on this ride a long time ago, rk.

 

 "Masterful"???????  How about, "Make up your own contract but give me the money"? Not masterful but effective. 


 


Or Trump failed negotiation 101 again.

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