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This should put an end to this "extortion" fairy tale.

 

Read Cohen's sentencing document from the SDNY, particularly Section A, subsection 4 titled "Cohen's Illegal Campaign Contributions".

 

In it, it details that Trump, Cohen and Pecker had agreed back in August 2014 to buy up negative stories about Trump. That's right, August 2014 - a full year before Trump declared his candidacy.

 

You see, someone's "story" is legally defined as intellectual property. Just ask JK Rowling, Stephen King, Rick Warren, Donald Trump. They all shopped their "story" to the highest bidder. That is not illegal. That is not a crime. And just because a "story" is negative about another person, does not make it a crime. Look at the kids of celebrities who have aired familial dirty laundry in books.

 

The sentencing document also details how the trio actively pursued buying up these stories. That hardly constitutes extortion. One cannot be a victim of a crime they seek - the crime in this case being the buying of stories to influence a political campaign, not reporting it as an in-kind contribution and conspiring from the start to keep it all secret. It's the same reason we don't see cops bending over backwards for people who were looking to score some drugs, got robbed by the dealer, and never got any drugs.

 

The first document on the following page is related to the Russia investigation. The second document details the illegal campaign contributions (starts on page 13).

 

Uh oh! V-E-R-N

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/7/18130805/michael-cohen-sentencing-memo-mueller

 

 


Well, if that happened in 2014 that sorta takes us our of the field of campaign irregularities.


Still can't read anything for yourself. Because had you even bothered to read the document, you'd already know the first time Trump et al broke the law was in August 2016 (McDougal) and the second time was October 2016 (Daniels), and would understand how asinine "well, if that happened in 2014 that sorta takes us our* of the field of campaign irregularities" is, because Trump wasn't even the nominee until July 2016. The purposely dense act ain't gona fly for Trump, either.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (13 pages of lies and growing)
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RK lives in the alternate reality of Trump World where facts, the truth, and documentation don't exist. The only thing which matters is what Fox tells them and/or what their idol and hero in the White House says.

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@BigLib wrote:

This should put an end to this "extortion" fairy tale.

 

Read Cohen's sentencing document from the SDNY, particularly Section A, subsection 4 titled "Cohen's Illegal Campaign Contributions".

 

In it, it details that Trump, Cohen and Pecker had agreed back in August 2014 to buy up negative stories about Trump. That's right, August 2014 - a full year before Trump declared his candidacy.

 

You see, someone's "story" is legally defined as intellectual property. Just ask JK Rowling, Stephen King, Rick Warren, Donald Trump. They all shopped their "story" to the highest bidder. That is not illegal. That is not a crime. And just because a "story" is negative about another person, does not make it a crime. Look at the kids of celebrities who have aired familial dirty laundry in books.

 

The sentencing document also details how the trio actively pursued buying up these stories. That hardly constitutes extortion. One cannot be a victim of a crime they seek - the crime in this case being the buying of stories to influence a political campaign, not reporting it as an in-kind contribution and conspiring from the start to keep it all secret. It's the same reason we don't see cops bending over backwards for people who were looking to score some drugs, got robbed by the dealer, and never got any drugs.

 

The first document on the following page is related to the Russia investigation. The second document details the illegal campaign contributions (starts on page 13).

 

Uh oh! V-E-R-N

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/7/18130805/michael-cohen-sentencing-memo-mueller

 

 


Well, if that happened in 2014 that sorta takes us our of the field of campaign irregularities.

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rk9152:  What makes giving in to extortion a violation?

 

 

 

When did either of these women contact Trump and threaten that either he pays them off or they talk? You keep leaving that out . *dying laughing*


He paid, they got, what is missing?

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wakie wakie rk - extortion is a CRIME, and the ladies are not criminals. They sold their stories to "the media", and never dealt with Der Trumper.

Trump ordered his lawyer to threaten Stormy's publisher to prevent the 2011 story from being reprinted in 2015. Then he ordered his lawyer to pay Stormy to not retell the story. Same lawyer got to the guy running the Enquirer and paid him to "catch and kill" the playmate's story, and the lawyer lied about the source of funds and the nature of his actions as has Trump. The lawyer wasn't convicted of paying off an extortionist BECAUSE THERE WAS NO EXTORTION.


You seem to be making stuff up again. Paying someone off or making any kind of a business and/or fiscal arrangement to prevent information from being revealed is giving in to extortion.

 

Now, you can name all the people involved you want but the bottom line is - they had an embarrassing story to tell and were paid not to.

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This should put an end to this "extortion" fairy tale.

 

Read Cohen's sentencing document from the SDNY, particularly Section A, subsection 4 titled "Cohen's Illegal Campaign Contributions".

 

In it, it details that Trump, Cohen and Pecker had agreed back in August 2014 to buy up negative stories about Trump. That's right, August 2014 - a full year before Trump declared his candidacy.

 

You see, someone's "story" is legally defined as intellectual property. Just ask JK Rowling, Stephen King, Rick Warren, Donald Trump. They all shopped their "story" to the highest bidder. That is not illegal. That is not a crime. And just because a "story" is negative about another person, does not make it a crime. Look at the kids of celebrities who have aired familial dirty laundry in books.

 

The sentencing document also details how the trio actively pursued buying up these stories. That hardly constitutes extortion. One cannot be a victim of a crime they seek - the crime in this case being the buying of stories to influence a political campaign, not reporting it as an in-kind contribution and conspiring from the start to keep it all secret. It's the same reason we don't see cops bending over backwards for people who were looking to score some drugs, got robbed by the dealer, and never got any drugs.

 

The first document on the following page is related to the Russia investigation. The second document details the illegal campaign contributions (starts on page 13).

 

Uh oh! V-E-R-N

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/7/18130805/michael-cohen-sentencing-memo-mueller

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (13 pages of lies and growing)
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rk9152:  What makes giving in to extortion a violation?

 

 

 

When did either of these women contact Trump and threaten that either he pays them off or they talk? You keep leaving that out . *dying laughing*

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@rk9152 wrote:

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Funny thing about "extortion" - it can't happen to honest people. lil donny wasn't asked for money - he offered it, something an honest man would never have to do. So far, we only know about two examples of his violating campaign finance laws AND compounding the crimes by committing tax fraud as well.

 

The person (Cohen) donny paid to commit these crimes is already convicted and on his way to JAIL, and donny would be sharing the cell had not Putin stole the election so his puppetPOTUS could slither into the WhiteHouse.


Cohen was not convicted of paying off the extortionist. So, what connection do you see between him and President Trump in the context of this topic? Also, I do not believe Cohen has been convicted of "Russian collusion".

 

"lil donny wasn't asked for money - he offered it" - where did you get that?? Sounds like why DL moved to GA (made up).


wakie wakie rk - extortion is a CRIME, and the ladies are not criminals. They sold their stories to "the media", and never dealt with Der Trumper.

 

Trump ordered his lawyer to threaten Stormy's publisher to prevent the 2011 story from being reprinted in 2015. Then he ordered his lawyer to pay Stormy to not retell the story. Same lawyer got to the guy running the Enquirer and paid him to "catch and kill" the playmate's story, and the lawyer lied about the source of funds and the nature of his actions as has Trump. The lawyer wasn't convicted of paying off an extortionist BECAUSE THERE WAS NO EXTORTION.

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rk9152:  Do you think the $130K was (as I have said) a gift from the goodness his heart?

 

Nice to see you admit your "extortion" nonsense came from the windmills of your mind. That's what I thought.

He made the payments to shut these women up prior to the election. That violated the law. But please proceed, this is entertaining.


Why do you feel compelled to make up an admission that obviously isn't there? What makes giving in to extortion a violation?

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Legal briefs?  "Demanded money" - we again come to whether you believe he gave the money out of the goodness of his heart. If not, we are right back to extortion.

 


 


If Daniels and McDougal are such masterful extortionists, then they really REALLY suck at it, because it was Trump, Cohen and Pecker drawing up the contracts. That would be like kidnappers sending a ransom note that reads "make up your own terms."

 

Your quarter ran out on this ride a long time ago, rk.

 

 "Masterful"???????  How about, "Make up your own contract but give me the money"? Not masterful but effective. 


 


How asinine. What's worse is you expect me to believe your fantasy about a crime that nobody, not even Trump, is claiming. Mueller is obligated to pursue any crime he uncovers. Unless and until he ever levels charges against Daniels or McDougal, I'm just gonna leave you to your repeating the word "extortion" like Rain Man and Who's On First. V-E-R-N

 

No fantasy, no Rain Man, no Vern - just the reality of someone shutting up for money being reasonably called extortion. 

 

Ah, how far the hate filled have drifted from "Russian collusion".

 


 

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