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And now we have the modern Dems looking to get rid of our  borders (one worlders?).


Build a strawman and expect others to debate it. Truth is .............. the Dems are not "looking to get rid of our borders", or anyone else's.


Of course they are. A border that is not enforced is not a valid border. When pols keep finding new ways to allow non citizens in, they are effectively removing the borders.


Who has spoken out against enforcing a border? 

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@rk9152 wrote:

Back "in the day" the American unions leaned towards Communism as did many others. WWI causes a split between Eugene Debs and Samuel Gompers and ended the relationship between Communism and the AFL.

 

Interestingly, the point that tore them apart was the idea of national borders. Debs was following the Marxist concept of one world while Gompers saw himself and his membership as Americans.

 

And now we have the modern Dems looking to get rid of our borders (one worlders?).

 

Interesting to say the least.


Why did you make up an accusation just to argue against it? Who are these ‘modern Dems’ who have suggested getting rid of our borders?

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rk9152:   Of course they are. A border that is not enforced is not a valid border. When pols keep finding new ways to allow non citizens in, they are effectively removing the borders.

 

 

Where do you get that? Do you not know that illegal entries across our Southern border are at nearly a fifty year low? And do you not know that Democrats have voted time and again for smart ways to enhance border security? They're against wasting billions on a useless wall (same with Republicans) so you have no valid case to make.

 

Border crossings are at record lows as Trump declares a national emergency to build a wall

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/as-trump-moves-to-declare-national-emergency-to-build-wall-border-cr...

 

 

The Democratic proposal did include:

  • about $22 billion in total funding for Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  • $675 million for scanners at points of entry
  • $502 million for "humanitarian concerns at the border" such as food and medical care
  • $400 million in border security technology, 1,000 new customs agents
  • $156.7 million for new boats, planes and sensors.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/31/democrats-opening-border-security-offer/2732...


I was referring to the Dems efforts to allow more and immigrants in.


Why do you think that's a problem? 

Each year, we currently admit 1,000,000 people yearning to breath free and become Americans.

Republicans think the number should be zero so they can send the jobs those people would've done here "back home" - back home to where GOPers can pay them $5 a day instead of American wages.

 

Republicans have voted down so many school bond issues and teacher support measures we no longer produce enough STEM workers, so we import the talent or (more often) EXPORT THE JOBS.

 


School budgets are not a border factor - nor are the Reagan tax cuts.

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Are you referring to "immigrants" -  that group of people who commit fewer crimes than native born Americans?

 

And what about the fact that ultra right fringe conservative white males are the greatest threat for terrorist action in the USA?

 

Looks like trump cultists have lots of dangerous criminal sorts among their trump supporting buddies...


None of the above, I am referring to the efforts to make us a borderless nation.


 

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rk9152:   I was referring to the Dems efforts to allow more and immigrants in.

 

 

 

So tell me....................what are the "Dems efforts"? If you're referring to them, then that means you must know what they are, right? Share please.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   Of course they are. A border that is not enforced is not a valid border. When pols keep finding new ways to allow non citizens in, they are effectively removing the borders.

 

 

Where do you get that? Do you not know that illegal entries across our Southern border are at nearly a fifty year low? And do you not know that Democrats have voted time and again for smart ways to enhance border security? They're against wasting billions on a useless wall (same with Republicans) so you have no valid case to make.

 

Border crossings are at record lows as Trump declares a national emergency to build a wall

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/as-trump-moves-to-declare-national-emergency-to-build-wall-border-cr...

 

 

The Democratic proposal did include:

  • about $22 billion in total funding for Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  • $675 million for scanners at points of entry
  • $502 million for "humanitarian concerns at the border" such as food and medical care
  • $400 million in border security technology, 1,000 new customs agents
  • $156.7 million for new boats, planes and sensors.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/31/democrats-opening-border-security-offer/2732...


I was referring to the Dems efforts to allow more and immigrants in.


Why do you think that's a problem? 

Each year, we currently admit 1,000,000 people yearning to breath free and become Americans.

Republicans think the number should be zero so they can send the jobs those people would've done here "back home" - back home to where GOPers can pay them $5 a day instead of American wages.

 

Republicans have voted down so many school bond issues and teacher support measures we no longer produce enough STEM workers, so we import the talent or (more often) EXPORT THE JOBS.

 

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@alferdpacker  Uh huh.... But that won't be brought up in the classroom.....


@alferdpacker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   Of course they are. A border that is not enforced is not a valid border. When pols keep finding new ways to allow non citizens in, they are effectively removing the borders.

 

 

Where do you get that? Do you not know that illegal entries across our Southern border are at nearly a fifty year low? And do you not know that Democrats have voted time and again for smart ways to enhance border security? They're against wasting billions on a useless wall (same with Republicans) so you have no valid case to make.

 

Border crossings are at record lows as Trump declares a national emergency to build a wall

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/as-trump-moves-to-declare-national-emergency-to-build-wall-border-cr...

 

 

The Democratic proposal did include:

  • about $22 billion in total funding for Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  • $675 million for scanners at points of entry
  • $502 million for "humanitarian concerns at the border" such as food and medical care
  • $400 million in border security technology, 1,000 new customs agents
  • $156.7 million for new boats, planes and sensors.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/31/democrats-opening-border-security-offer/2732...


I was referring to the Dems efforts to allow more and immigrants in.


Are you referring to "immigrants" -  that group of people who commit fewer crimes than native born Americans?

 

And what about the fact that ultra right fringe conservative white males are the greatest threat for terrorist action in the USA?

 

Looks like trump cultists have lots of dangerous criminal sorts among their trump supporting buddies...


 

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Message 38 of 51

@rk9152 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   Of course they are. A border that is not enforced is not a valid border. When pols keep finding new ways to allow non citizens in, they are effectively removing the borders.

 

 

Where do you get that? Do you not know that illegal entries across our Southern border are at nearly a fifty year low? And do you not know that Democrats have voted time and again for smart ways to enhance border security? They're against wasting billions on a useless wall (same with Republicans) so you have no valid case to make.

 

Border crossings are at record lows as Trump declares a national emergency to build a wall

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/as-trump-moves-to-declare-national-emergency-to-build-wall-border-cr...

 

 

The Democratic proposal did include:

  • about $22 billion in total funding for Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  • $675 million for scanners at points of entry
  • $502 million for "humanitarian concerns at the border" such as food and medical care
  • $400 million in border security technology, 1,000 new customs agents
  • $156.7 million for new boats, planes and sensors.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/31/democrats-opening-border-security-offer/2732...


I was referring to the Dems efforts to allow more and immigrants in.


Are you referring to "immigrants" -  that group of people who commit fewer crimes than native born Americans?

 

And what about the fact that ultra right fringe conservative white males are the greatest threat for terrorist action in the USA?

 

Looks like trump cultists have lots of dangerous criminal sorts among their trump supporting buddies...

 

It's obvious that trumpies and conservatives have enthusiastically bought into trump's anti-immigrant jingoistic, xenophobic, and racist un-American scam...

Looks like the quality of American Citizenship of trump supporting republicans and conservatives is profoundly and deeply flawed...

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CriticalThinking:  Oh my goodness! Despite multiple warnings from me, PanJ is doing it again. She's using FACTS in a debate with Trump Cult members after I advised her that only confuses Trump Lovers.

 

 

Sorry, I just can't help it. Who knows...........maybe some day the facts will gain a toehold? Smiley Happy


Isn't that just adorable. the klatch is sitting around gossiping about other posters and swapping kudoes.

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@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   Of course they are. A border that is not enforced is not a valid border. When pols keep finding new ways to allow non citizens in, they are effectively removing the borders.

 

 

Where do you get that? Do you not know that illegal entries across our Southern border are at nearly a fifty year low? And do you not know that Democrats have voted time and again for smart ways to enhance border security? They're against wasting billions on a useless wall (same with Republicans) so you have no valid case to make.

 

Border crossings are at record lows as Trump declares a national emergency to build a wall

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/as-trump-moves-to-declare-national-emergency-to-build-wall-border-cr...

 

 

The Democratic proposal did include:

  • about $22 billion in total funding for Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  • $675 million for scanners at points of entry
  • $502 million for "humanitarian concerns at the border" such as food and medical care
  • $400 million in border security technology, 1,000 new customs agents
  • $156.7 million for new boats, planes and sensors.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/31/democrats-opening-border-security-offer/2732...


I was referring to the Dems efforts to allow more and immigrants in.

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