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@mandm84 

 

Do you own any firearms?  I don't.  You sound like you would want to confiscate all firearms from responsible legal owners.   I don't.

 

Did you see the videos about hunting wild hogs with AR-15s that I posted.  They are used in hunting.  You sound as if you would confiscate them from these hunters and property owners protecting their property.  I don't.  We do have a proliferation of these wild hogs here in Texas.  You seem to think that property owners have no right to protect their property from them.

 

I don't think I'm the one keeping this thread alive, you keep addressing posts to me.

 

 

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tex says "Again, why do you keep directing this to me?"

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tex , when it's convenient you seem to jump up to be the AARP spokesperson for

tex also says "And there is still that pesky thing called the Second Amendment that says there will be no law abridging the right to own firearms. Texas , but only then ?"

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"Pesky" hasn't stopped responsible States from outlawing 30-50 Round Weapons of Mass Destruction.

My State still allows the "Right to Bear Arms" with the exception of Military Style Assault Rifles with more than 10 Round Magazines.

States made Fully Automatic Weapons illegal. How is that any different ? We had the 2nd Amendment back then as well.

Not as "Pesky" back then tex ?

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Family of AR-15 Inventor Eugene Stoner: He Didn't Intend It for Civilians 

 

The Armalite rifle that Eugene Stoner designed was intended -  BY THE DESIGNER, EUGENE STONER, TO BE USED IN WAR AGAINST HOSTILE HUMANS - PERIOD.

 

In addition, regarding the "wounded hog" scenario - because the AR15 is significantly less powerful than the 30-30, 35 Remington, 444 Marlin and 45-70 - all offered in lever action firearms - thereby invalidating the bogus "having additional rounds available" argument that only applies to the lousy marksman/semi-capable hunter...

 

If one is facing a wounded animal that outweighs one - is just plain flat dangerous and is charging at one - would one prefer firing a one eighth ounce bullet (65 grains) - or fire one with six times the mass (405 grains) and expect it to stop a wounded animal intent on killing the hunter?

 

Humans are rather fragile compared to big game animals, making the 5.56x45 round at the lowest end of usability for hunting anything larger than small and medium game - coyotes and bobcats for example.

 

Remember when the manufacturer and the US Armed Forces shipped Armalite design rifles to soldiers in Vietnam - without cleaning kits?  

Remember the lie that was told that the rifle did not need to be cleaned - a lie that resulted in the needless deaths of many soldiers in Vietnam due to the fact that their firearm had jammed and had become at best a plastic, aluminum, and steel bludgeon?

 

For the record - I once had an AR15, but sold it and bought a much more reliable rifle - an AK47, the most produced rifle in the world, and a much superior design that is able to shrug off conditions that will cause the Armalite/Stoner design to cease functioning...    Function is beauty.

I had a stranger at the shooting range tell me there was a youtube video featuring R. Lee Ermey saying how bad a weapon the Kalashnikov design was...

As the whole world knows - Ermey was never anything but a drill sergeant turned actor - he played a gunnery sergeant in a movie - but that was just make believe...

 

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Between 2014 and 2017, 56,755 Americans were killed by guns, including 2,710 children under the age of 12.   Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year. “While you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun from a dealer, if you’re an 18-year-old you can go to a private seller and legally purchase a handgun in 38 out of 50 states,   


All this senseless killing cause of the obsession with guns.....cause some feel themselves macho and powerful.    .  

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The NRAGOP wants people to be bamboozled into thinking a "Military grade" weapon must be capable of full-automatic fire.

 

If you're slow enough to buy that, then the US Army had no "Military Grade" rifle as standard issue to the troops from 2000, when the M16A2 with NO full-auto capability was adopted as standard issue, until 2012 when the M16A2 was superceded by the M4 which has the full-auto mode.

 

For over a decade when out Troops were heavily engaged in actual combat, the Army found a SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifle with a 3-round burst capability and 30-round magazine to be an EXCELLENT Weapon of War.

 

The M16A2 could fire 120 rounds per minute in semi-auto mode while the 3-round burst was effective for taking out threats at long range. Neither of these capabilities is needed for ANY legitimate civilian endeavour.

 

If your interest is in ending the madness of gun violence in America BAN SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS AND HIGH (more than 8) CAPACITY MAGAZINES, and begin the process by electing DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES..

 

If you want the slaughter to continue unabated and ensure profits for the Death Merchants, vote NRAGOP and change NOTHING.

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@myexper wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@myexper wrote:

@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@myexper wrote:

And BTW, the AR15 was distributed to the South Vietnamese ARMY at the beginning of US involvement in Vietnam ..... hardly civilian use!


The US had been involved in Vietnam in some capacity since World War II, the AR 15 hasn't been around that long.  

The AR 15 "was around" and in use by US Military advisers in Vietnam and the South Vietnamese Army.

Reference an excerpt form GunDigest on the history of the AR15:

'Many of the U.S. advisers in Vietnam were equipped with the new AR-15 rifle. Rifles began to surface throughout Vietnam, totally outside the normal small arms procurement process. The first troops using the AR-15 under combat conditions were very enthusiastic, preferring it to all other weapons. The South Vietnamese were impressed with the rifle, as well."

 

Perhaps you can reference the source for your information? 

See reply above.

(Perhaps you could remember that I already provided a reference as to the introduction of the AR15 in previous topics you participated in.)

 

Is there a reason you never give sources for your information?

Is there a reason that you (conveniently?) can't remember that I have "given sources" ...... AND

Is there a reason why you demand that others answer your questions while you refuse to answer questions posed to you?

 

Besides the M16 is the military version since the AR15 is for civilian use.  From that source:  "Semi-automatic AR-15s for sale to civilians are internally different from the full automatic M16, although nearly identical in external appearance."

As the AR15's design intent  was to counter the AK47 combat assault rifle, the AR15 was designed as a combat assault rifle...... NEVER intended for civilian use!


 


That's exactly what it was designed for - civilian use.

Not true ...... The AR15 was "designed" to counter the AK47 combat assault rifle!

  • The “AR” in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”
  • And I NEVER stated otherwise!
  • AR-15-style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.”
  • Not according to their design criteria!
  • An assault rifle is fully automatic, a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.
  • A rifle need not be "fully automatic" to be considered a military combat assault weapon. The AR15's high velocity bullets, rapid trigger and massive magazine capability render it a weapon designed to kill as many persons as fast as possible, thus a weapon designed for military use only. In addition, the AR15 can be readily modified to be "fully automatic"
  • If someone calls an AR-15-style rifle an “assault weapon,” then they’ve been duped by an agenda.
  • No "duping" nor "agenda" as you falsely claim ..... just historical facts that you obviously want to evade. As the AR15 was designed to counter the AK47 combat assault rifle ..... the AR15 is indeed a combat assault rifle!
  • The only real way to define what is an “assault weapon” is politically, as in how any given law chooses to define the term—this is why the states that have banned this category of semiautomatic firearms have done so with very different definitions.
  • Orrrr ..... "defined" by its design intent. You conveniently keep omitting that!
  • AR-15-style rifles can look like military rifles, (because IT IS a military rifle!) such as the M-16, but by law they function like other semiautomatic civilian sporting firearms, as they fire only one round with each pull of the trigger.
  • ........ But fire bullets at a far higher velocity and with rapid trigger operation and easily modified to full automatic! That's why it has been the obvious choice of mass killer shooters!
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I gave you the link but you failed to read it so if you don't want to understand that an AR15 is NOT an assault rifle, I can't help the helpless. You can go ahead and paste your comments in blue every three words but it's obvious you know nothing about guns!

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The poster seems to be obsessed by this. 


You have posted as many times as anyone else ............ so who is obsessed? 


Apparently you are also?  I'm just wondering why the poster I was replying to keeps bringing it up even when he/she knows I haven't owned or used firearms for years.  I know why you are making a case of it.

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No one who is not completely incompetent with a rifle needs an AR-15 to shoot a wild hog or any other game. Anyone needing the round capacity of an AR-15 to be able to shoot a wild hog is such a lousy shot they they shouldn't be allowed to own any firearm, IMHO.


Your 'IMHO' wouldn't be any good if one just wounded a wild hog, and those other 9 rounds might come in handy if that  was charging you.  I gather you are not speaking from experience in hunting...of any kind.

 

I gather that there are many comments here that are not coming from hunters, especially wild hog and deer hunters.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SNYDjmPEvw

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANKgTjUD69U

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUvj3ZZRpco

 

This is why a multi-capacity magazine comes in handy:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY8yPxBJL3k

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@mandm84 wrote:

tex says "I have no idea why anyone would want to own any type firearm"

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You said to hunt Wild Hogs. As far as owning a 30-50 Round Assault Rifle , just ask the Mass Murderer's still alive in our Prison System. It's to Kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time.


Why do you care about what Tex thinks or what the laws are in Texas? Seems that they have enough problems in NY despite all your laws!


The poster seems to be obsessed by this. 


You have posted as many times as anyone else ............ so who is obsessed? 


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@mandm84 wrote:

 

I've asked you numerous times , Why should any Civilian possess a 30-50 Round Weapon without any Background Check and you evade that question by trying to muddy the waters.

Oh and you can't be serious about "Wild Hogs"

 

 


I have no idea why anyone would want to own any type firearm.  Perhaps you should ask someone who owns them? 

 

And yes, there are those who use AR15s to hunt wild hogs, of which we have plenty here in Texas.  I don't hunt since I don't have any firearms, besides being handicapped have problems even getting out for other reasons.

 

Wild hogs are highly destructive and have been moving into suburban areas.  They are hunted in various ways out in open country (which is plentiful here in Texas vs New York) in all sorts of ways, trapping, out in rural areas, from helicopter, etc. 


No one who is not completely incompetent with a rifle needs an AR-15 to shoot a wild hog or any other game. Anyone needing the round capacity of an AR-15 to be able to shoot a wild hog is such a lousy shot they they shouldn't be allowed to own any firearm, IMHO.


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