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@williamb39198 wrote:

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Since when are your constitutional rights suspended while you are at work?

What you are saying is that employers intentionally write their rules of conduct to violate a persons constitutional rights. 

 

Under that guise, looks like employers would really want and support slavery!


There is no Constitutional right to demonstrate at your place of employment while being paid by your employer.  But it is grounds for dismissal if they are damaging their employer's business by doing it and/or doing it is something other than what their employer is paying them to do.  And it certainly has nothing to do with slavery.

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Since when are your constitutional rights suspended while you are at work?

What you are saying is that employers intentionally write their rules of conduct to violate a persons constitutional rights. 

 

Under that guise, looks like employers would really want and support slavery!


Of course you are being facetious mainly to support your own views. 

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Since when are your constitutional rights suspended while you are at work?

What you are saying is that employers intentionally write their rules of conduct to violate a persons constitutional rights. 

 

Under that guise, looks like employers would really want and support slavery!

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Yes,, yes, yes, they should break their knee caps to all who won't stand.  Humm!!!  you think that is looks too much like the Mafia?

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Republicans are despirate to restore slavery and concede their belief that a person who employes you has full control over your activities.

 

Republicans are wrong again. The players operate under Personal Services contracts and are ONLY bound by the language of the contract. Owners being mostly racist Republicans, can and did refuse to hire Colin Kaepernick after his contract expired, but they COULD NOT FIRE HIM while he was under contract.

 

The reason is simple: His behavior was not "a violation of reasonable club rules" because baring his Constitutional right to a peaceful redress of grievances is not and never will be "reasonable".

 

Time will tell if the players have the stones to resist the "blackballing" of non-Trumpette players whose contracts expire, but for now, it would seem Donny and his love children will have to keep sobbing about players who will not serve and obey.


Much confusing nonsense and assumptions but let's get down to basics. Football teams are private businesses, their owners can establish workplace rules. These are separate from the union contracts although they sometimes interact. 

 

So, private business - you own a store, you have a workplace rule prohibiting the dreaded "N-word" in the workplace. Do you have a problem with that? If not, how does that differ from "take a knee" rules?


Following the left's rules, one is ENTITLED to use the "N" word at work and in front of employees and customers using those same Constitutional Rights. Is there different rules for left and right? Is there different rules for white and black? Is there different rules for citizens and illegal aliens?

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Republicans are despirate to restore slavery and concede their belief that a person who employes you has full control over your activities.

 

Republicans are wrong again. The players operate under Personal Services contracts and are ONLY bound by the language of the contract. Owners being mostly racist Republicans, can and did refuse to hire Colin Kaepernick after his contract expired, but they COULD NOT FIRE HIM while he was under contract.

 

The reason is simple: His behavior was not "a violation of reasonable club rules" because baring his Constitutional right to a peaceful redress of grievances is not and never will be "reasonable".

 

Time will tell if the players have the stones to resist the "blackballing" of non-Trumpette players whose contracts expire, but for now, it would seem Donny and his love children will have to keep sobbing about players who will not serve and obey.


Much confusing nonsense and assumptions but let's get down to basics. Football teams are private businesses, their owners can establish workplace rules. These are separate from the union contracts although they sometimes interact. 

 

So, private business - you own a store, you have a workplace rule prohibiting the dreaded "N-word" in the workplace. Do you have a problem with that? If not, how does that differ from "take a knee" rules?

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@KidBoy2 wrote:

williamb39198 asked...

Since when does the National Anthem belong to the NFL owners!

And at our expense...was this time that was purchased from the NFL!


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Our National Anthem belongs to all of us, including you and the NFL players.

Using the ill- logic from some, members of our military would not have to stand for our National Anthem.

The National anthem is a song, technically it belongs to whomever holds the copyright.

 

The football players are within their Constitutional rights.

 

Do you support Constitutional rights being taken away from someone?  I don't expect you to answer because your answer would obviously have to be "YES" !!


You have constitutional rights when on your own time, not the employer's time. Your 1st amendment rights have been suspended when on the clock!

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His government time is when he is taking care of government business, not all the time.


Please post a link that confirms that a PRESIDENT has GOVERNMENT TIME and PERSONAL TIME.

 

A President is on GOVERNMENT TIME all of the time as far as I know. The fact that he must have Secret Service protection 100% of the time, that he uses the GOVERNMENT OWNED Air Force One for transportation, and that, at any moment, he can do things from initiating a nuclear attack to signing legislation no matter where he is or what he is doing means he's always "on the clock".

 

See if you can find a link stating to the contrary.


The President gave back his annual salary which technically means he is not your employee but a volunteer. Different story with those cry babies on the football field.


Total BS. He ACCEPTED his salary ($400,000/yr) and DONATED it to various charities for which he'll get a tax deduction.

IF he's not on the Government Payroll working for We the People, then he is ineligible for the other "employee benefits" accorded a POTUS. Here's a PARTIAL list of what he's cost the Taxpayers in 18 months that no other POTUS has even approached in 8 years.

1. $27,000,000 AIR TRAVEL to and from Mar-a-Lago (13 trips)

2. $13,000,000 for Secret Service staying at Mar-a-lago

3. $8,500,000 AIR TRAVEL to and from his golfing at Belminster (11 trips)

4. $75,000,000 Special Security for Melina and Barron in NYC

 

I'll entertain the possibility he's "working for free" just as soon as his checks to cover the above needless extravagance is paid back to the Treasury.


The tax deduction may be worth 35% but not 100% of his salary. What liberal President did the same? NONE! Working for nothing entitles you to nothing especially if you're liberal!

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Guess patriot gary won’t be going to the Dolphins games. Would like to hear what he thinks about free speech and the First Amendment. 

Always interesting to see how his supporters take the bait that trump throws out. This was not a major issue until trump made it one. Just like we did not have a border crisis until he made a mess of it. 

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'Nuff said...  I am done with the NFL and my longtime favorite Miami Dolphins...  How can these people be this stupid?

 

 

 

 

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