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@GailL1 wrote:

.Different ethnic groups have been asking for this for a very long time (at least back to the 2010 Census) because they all seem to want to be recognized for some benefit. 

 

Now that benefit could be one of many - all based on Civil Rights LawS.

Civil rights laws guarantee rights for individuals to receive equal treatment and prohibits discrimination in a number of settings, including education, employment, housing, lending, voting, and more. Below is a list of federal civil rights laws. (Note: Many states have civil rights laws of their own which mirror those at the federal level, so your state may have its own laws that are very similar to those identified below. In addition, municipalities like cities and counties can enact ordinances and laws related to civil rights.)

Findlaw - Civil Rghts Laws list

 

Then there are numerous government programs/requirements that may come into play - affirmative action, small business loan preferences, etc. 

 

Why would you think that any group would want to be left out of these benefits.  "Minority" has taken on expanded meaning.

 

 

Gail, as long as in the US they use  ethnicity as an interchangeable name for race, you will have racism in this country. 
When  you are differentiating people by their race and not consider their ethnicity you will have people that feel left out or single out in a box that they may not want to be.

 


 

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They identify as African Americans - that is their ethnic group.

A specific ethnic group is whatever you identify with - thus the problem with those in the black race (or any other) and being counted in the Census -  should people be able to just pull out one of many when it might be to their benefit or liking?

USA Today - 02/21/2018 - Who is an ‘African American’?

There was a time when being black in America meant you were most likely descended from one or more enslaved Africans who had survived the trans-Atlantic slave trade. However, as the number of African and Caribbean blacks immigrating to the USA has increased, so have the chances that someone who identifies as black or African American is a first- or second-generation immigrant.

read more at the link ~

 

Do we really know the poverty rate of (true) African Americans or is this being camouflagd by other black ethnic groups which have immigrated here? 

A case in point - US doctors which come from Africa -  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5485566/

The outflow of African-educated physicians to the US has increased over the past 10 years, from 10 684 in 2005 to 13 584 in 2015 (27.1% increase).. . . . . Overall, six schools in Africa provided half of all African-educated physicians.

 

I think these type of details are important in order to focus on specific populations who need more help than others who belong to the same race. 

Should Affirmative Action or small Business loan programs be more geared to help (true) African Americans or just those who identify as black or black with some other ethnic group specified? Just askin'

 

Color (race) only goes so far in describing a group - there are many sub-categories.  don't you think the data needs to be broken down better for better targeting in civil rights / various programs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Race

Known races as of now

White, Black, Asian, and mix races in whatever mixture you want to belong. why is the census calling race when in reality is ethnicity?


One reason is African Americans (by definition, those descended from slavery) have no clue what their ethnicity is. 

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In view of the fact that this census seems to be not only incomplete but quite erroneous. Perhaps many posters are really stating that this is a ruse to do a redistricting  of their own.|
Therefore, we should all sign in as ethnic minorities.   and really give them a good look at America. 
Perhaps I will say that I am black from  south Africa. that is a good place to be.


Different ethnic groups have been asking for this for a very long time (at least back to the 2010 Census) because they all seem to want to be recognized for some benefit. 

 

Now that benefit could be one of many - all based on Civil Rights LawS.

Civil rights laws guarantee rights for individuals to receive equal treatment and prohibits discrimination in a number of settings, including education, employment, housing, lending, voting, and more. Below is a list of federal civil rights laws. (Note: Many states have civil rights laws of their own which mirror those at the federal level, so your state may have its own laws that are very similar to those identified below. In addition, municipalities like cities and counties can enact ordinances and laws related to civil rights.)

Findlaw - Civil Rghts Laws list

 

Then there are numerous government programs/requirements that may come into play - affirmative action, small business loan preferences, etc. 

 

Why would you think that any group would want to be left out of these benefits.  "Minority" has taken on expanded meaning.

 

 

 

 


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FYI

 

This breakdown of race into a further defined ethnic groups was NOT initiated by the current administration.  It has been in the works since the 2010 Census.

 

Census.gov - 2015 National Content Test Report

from the above link ~ (Executive Summary beginning on page 8)

Today, theCensus Bureau collects race and ethnicitydata following U.S. Office of Management and Budget (OMB) guidelines, and these data are based on self-identification.

 

One challenge we face is how Americans view “race” and “ethnicity” differently than in decades past. In our diverse society, a growing number of people find the current race and ethnicitycategories confusing, or they wish to see their own specific group reflected on the census questionnaire(Compton et al. 2012). Our research has found that over time, there have been a growing number of people who do not identify with any of the official OMB racecategories, and this means that an increasing number of respondents have been racially classified as “Some Other Race.” In fact, in 2000 and in 2010,“Some Other Race” (SOR) was thethird largest race group(Humes et al. 2011). This was primarily because ofreporting by Hispanics, who make up the overwhelming majority of those classified as SOR, not identifying with any of the OMB race categories(Ríos et al. 2014). In addition, segments of other populations, such as Afro-Caribbean and Middle Eastern or North African populations, did not identify with any of the OMB race categories and identified as SOR(Compton et al. 2012)

 

Taking note of this, over the past decade, Census Bureau researchers have been exploring different strategies for improving respondents’understanding of the questions we ask, as well as improving the accuracy of the resulting data we produce on race and ethnicity. This research began in 2008 with the design of the 2010 Census Alternative Questionnaire Experiment (AQE) Research on Race and Hispanic Origin, which at the time was the most comprehensive research effort on race and Hispanic origin ever undertaken by the Census Bureau. In 2012, the AQE research was completed, and the results demonstrated promising strategies that combined race and ethnicity into one question and addressed challenges and complexities of race and Hispanic origin measurement and reporting(Compton et al.2012).

 

. . . . Finally, the question terminology dimension tested the use of different conceptual terms (e.g., race,origin,ethnicity, or no terms) in the wording of questions for collecting data on race and ethnicity. The testing compared three approaches (“Race/Origin” vs. “Race/Ethnicity” vs. using no terms –“Categories”) for the question terminology.

 

more at the above link ~ The Background segment beginning on page 17 is also of interest here but I will leave reading it up to you, if you have any interest.

 

A similar question has been asked on the American Community Survey for a very long time -  This is the long-form of the census sent to a select number of people every year for a more detailed analysis of data - like housing, education, health insurance coverage, work, transportation, income, language.  The ACS has also always asked about citizenship.

Census.gov - 2018 American Community Survey 2018 Questionaire

 

 


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In view of the fact that this census seems to be not only incomplete but quite erroneous. Perhaps many posters are really stating that this is a ruse to do a redistricting  of their own.|
Therefore, we should all sign in as ethnic minorities.   and really give them a good look at America. 
Perhaps I will say that I am black from  south Africa. that is a good place to be.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:


I have taken participation in census before. and this is the first time in which race is irrelevant. then why do they ask for your race? if it not what you feel like it. it is supposed to be  a true statement for a census that needs to know the composition of the country.
If you want to deal with ethnicity then put a another place in which you deal with the ethnicity of the population and not confuse both of them.It is time that people here understand that Italians are not only caucasians, but also of other races and so each and every country in the Eruropean continent. 
Caucasians, or white don't have a franchise in Europe. they happen to be globally.


Of course the topic is about the 2020 census and not about world demographics or racial distribution.  And the census question has to do with what race/ethnicity a person considers them self belonging to, not the world distribution or any particular country these are from.  Nationality has nothing to do with race. 

 

Census 2000 and 2010 asked basically the same questions about race as is on the proposed 2020 form.  The proposed 2020 does include Spaniard as a suggestion for being of Hispanic origin.

 

Download a sample copy here...

 

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/technical-documentation/questionnaires-and-i...

 

 


So why aren't the Spaniards included in the White Eruropean question?

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I have taken participation in census before. and this is the first time in which race is irrelevant. then why do they ask for your race? if it not what you feel like it. it is supposed to be  a true statement for a census that needs to know the composition of the country.
If you want to deal with ethnicity then put a another place in which you deal with the ethnicity of the population and not confuse both of them.It is time that people here understand that Italians are not only caucasians, but also of other races and so each and every country in the Eruropean continent. 
Caucasians, or white don't have a franchise in Europe. they happen to be globally.


Of course the topic is about the 2020 census and not about world demographics or racial distribution.  And the census question has to do with what race/ethnicity a person considers them self belonging to, not the world distribution or any particular country these are from.  Nationality has nothing to do with race. 

 

Census 2000 and 2010 asked basically the same questions about race as is on the proposed 2020 form.  The proposed 2020 does include Spaniard as a suggestion for being of Hispanic origin.

 

Download a sample copy here...

 

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/technical-documentation/questionnaires-and-i...

 

 

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Well Gail I see that you have answered correctly. in the US race and ethnicity are used interchangeable, and I guess that Americans do not uncderstand that it is very offensive to us to  be lumped in any group.  and now with this census that doesn't even make any sensea  at all.


Returning to the topic and for census purposes your race or ethnicity is whatever you say it is regardless of the color of your skin.  For census purposes it is up to you to say, no one else.


I have taken participation in census before. and this is the first time in which race is irrelevant. then why do they ask for your race? if it not what you feel like it. it is supposed to be  a true statement for a census that needs to know the composition of the country.
If you want to deal with ethnicity then put a another place in which you deal with the ethnicity of the population and not confuse both of them.It is time that people here understand that Italians are not only caucasians, but also of other races and so each and every country in the Eruropean continent. 
Caucasians, or white don't have a franchise in Europe. they happen to be globally.

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Well Gail I see that you have answered correctly. in the US race and ethnicity are used interchangeable, and I guess that Americans do not uncderstand that it is very offensive to us to  be lumped in any group.  and now with this census that doesn't even make any sensea  at all.


Returning to the topic and for census purposes your race or ethnicity is whatever you say it is regardless of the color of your skin.  For census purposes it is up to you to say, no one else.

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