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NANCY PELOSI

This one is for you Chasky.

 

Nancy Pelosi,  my own personal opinion.   I truly believe that she has been an outstanding speaker. no question about it.  I will not take the time in commenting ab out her accomplishments.  but.

Nancy Pelosi has in my view made a grave mistake.  I don't believe that she has ever groomed her replacement.  and that is something that she should have considered a long time ago.

If she had, we wouldn't be seeing the division that is now present in the Democratic Party NO matter how great she may be, it is time to see new leadership.

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Nancy Pelosi is the perfect democrat to be Speaker and lead the democrats for the next 2 years...

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I think Pelosi has done a much better job advancing the democratic agenda than Chuck Schumer has over in the Senate. 

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I truly believe that she has been an outstanding speaker. no question about it.

 

Trump agrees.

 

Trump Endorses Pelosi for House Speaker of the House

 

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Trump called Nancy Pelosi “tough” and “smart,” “I like her"

 

“She deserves this victory, she has earned it,” he tweeted.

 

“I can get Nancy Pelosi as many votes as she wants in order for her to be Speaker of the House,” Trump tweeted.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/11/18/trump-endorses-pelosi-for-house-speaker-can-you-believe-it/

 

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Thank you for the topic, it is pertinent and current to politics today.  I also think that Pelosi has done a decent job as a leader.  However, I think it is time for her to let go and allow the Party to change and evolve to something more representative of the democratic (and Independent) electorate.  The electorate is moving to the left, towards the progressive side. Pelosi is entrenched and will not get on board with the change that has already started. We need a Speaker of the House that will embrace the progressives in the Party and help bring about the things that progressives in the electorate desire. Most of the nation is in favor of:

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care

 

Raising taxes back up on the wealthiest in our nation and giving breaks to the middle class and below

 

Deep and meaningful campaign finance reform including overturning Citizens United

 

Protect Social Security and other safety nets.

 

Reasonable and compassionate immigration reform


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

Thank you for the topic, it is pertinent and current to politics today.  I also think that Pelosi has done a decent job as a leader.  However, I think it is time for her to let go and allow the Party to change and evolve to something more representative of the democratic (and Independent) electorate.  The electorate is moving to the left, towards the progressive side. Pelosi is entrenched and will not get on board with the change that has already started. We need a Speaker of the House that will embrace the progressives in the Party and help bring about the things that progressives in the electorate desire. Most of the nation is in favor of:

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care

 

Raising taxes back up on the wealthiest in our nation and giving breaks to the middle clcepotass and below

 

Deep and meaningful campaign finance reform including overturning Citizens United

 

Protect Social Security and other safety nets.

 

Reasonable and compassionate immigration reform


Good points, Chas.  It's worthy to note that none of the above except for Universal Healthcare, are "leftest" positions.....they are all moderate and Centrist positions that most can agree.


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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

Thank you for the topic, it is pertinent and current to politics today.  I also think that Pelosi has done a decent job as a leader.  However, I think it is time for her to let go and allow the Party to change and evolve to something more representative of the democratic (and Independent) electorate.  The electorate is moving to the left, towards the progressive side. Pelosi is entrenched and will not get on board with the change that has already started. We need a Speaker of the House that will embrace the progressives in the Party and help bring about the things that progressives in the electorate desire. Most of the nation is in favor of:

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care

 

Raising taxes back up on the wealthiest in our nation and giving breaks to the middle class and below

 

Deep and meaningful campaign finance reform including overturning Citizens United

 

Protect Social Security and other safety nets.

 

Reasonable and compassionate immigration reform


Good points, Chas.  It's worthy to note that none of the above except for Universal Healthcare, are "leftest" positions.....they are all moderate and Centrist positions that most can agree.


Welcome back.  And Yes, it's a shame that the things I have listed are considered by many as "Progressive" or "Leftist" today.


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The political will and intent of the majority of American Citizens has elected "lefties" to the House of Representatives and thrown out the corrupt right wing liars.

All over the nation, in state and local races, the majority in the electorate has voted for bisexuals, homosexuals, Muslims, and people that are firmly opposed to the no longer acceptable trump/republican un-American fraud, lying and dishonesty of the right...

 

The political pendulum swings back and forth - but every time - for the last thousand plus years - when it swings to the left - it swings noticeably further left - and less far right when it goes to the right...  

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Wow Chasky,  what you have posted as the desire of the Progressives, is what I think that all Parties should be working on. Just not only the Democrats.

Those are important issues for the Country, not for any individual Party.

They are not leftists issues, they are what this country needs. and both parties should be working toweard to.

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Pelosi has gotten a bad rap here mainly because she's be demonized by Conservatives and Fox who prefers to attack their adversary and make up lies, just as they do about anyone they disagree with.  Even some Democrats have been hating on her for not being Liberal enough.....wrong stragey IMO.  Most in the country aren't extremists and reside much closer to the Center.....baby steps is much more successful. Conservatives tried to do far too much trying to make the country more Conservative and they had their rears handed to them at the polls.  Libs should learn something with the results of the past election.

 

She's a moderate Democrat and has been very succesful as the Democratic leader.


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@Centristsin2010

Right on. May we have “thoughtful productive” change versus the “radical idiotic” change that we have gotten from trump for the last two years. And let’s not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 

I’m looking forward to some change and new people in charge, but overall Pelosi has done a pretty decent job during her tenure as speaker, and has just helped win control of the House back. 

Yes, she should help promote some new people to help run the House, Dems, and Country. But please consider that over the last two years it might have been difficult to groom people while fending off trump, ryan, the freedom caucus yo-yos while working to help elect Dems to the House. 

It’s time for some change, who will step up to show leadership? 

 

@alfredpacker 

 May we continue to swing middle left!

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Rep Eric Swalwell (CA-D) made the case for Nancy Pelosi to keep her job on Bill Maher's Real Time. At 38, he is considered one of the rising stars of the D-Party. He is considering a run for president in 2020. 

 

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@MaVolta

He makes sense and would like to hear more in the future from Rep. Eric. 

Back to Pelosi, it would appear that the Dems now have their own version of the freedom caucus...the five white guys. Of the protest group, New Rep. Cortez said it best...mostly guys, no real diversity, no plan! We did not elect new Dem Reps to just tear stuff up and make protest votes against Pelosi. I hope they show good sense, unity, and if they also show leadership, change can happen. 

Don’t divide, unite! Be better than the repubs. 

 

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

Pelosi has gotten a bad rap here mainly because she's be(sic) demonized by Conservatives and Fox who prefers to attack their adversary and make up lies, just as they do about anyone they disagree with.  Even some Democrats have been hating on her for not being Liberal enough.....wrong stragey(sic) IMO.  Most in the country aren't extremists and reside much closer to the Center.....baby steps is(sic) much more successful. Conservatives tried to do far too much trying to make the country more Conservative and they had their rears handed to them at the polls.  Libs should learn something with the results of the past election.

 

She's a moderate Democrat and has been very succesful as the Democratic leader.


 

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@ChasKy53 - That's a great list, and I do hope that House D's work on all those things over the next two years, regardless of what happens to the bills in the Senate. That is what will make or break their case for 2020, IMHO.

 

It was reported that campaign finance reform would be the first item on the agenda, and that it could be a bipartisan effort. Both sides have caught heat from voters over special interest monies, and the power of lobbyists to buy votes in Congress. They do plan to take up health care afterwards.

 

@Roxanna35 - You are correct, these are things that both parties should be inclined to work on, should be being the operative phrase. While there is some common ground on some issues, there are still divides to be overcome.

 

As a reminder, SS and Medicare were the top target items R's had planned to slash, to reduce their self-created spiraling deficits (aka tax cuts for the 1%-ers), had they remained in control of the House. The coming budget battles will be significant as the deficit must be addressed. Trump has already signaled a shut down is possible, and he plans to blame the D's, of course. There are going to be tough battles with Trump and R's over cuts and spending that will require a skillful and tough, seasoned politician. Whether you like Pelosi or not, she does know how to handle these matters. If she is to be replaced, D's better come up with a good one.

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Again the biggest failure for Pelosi, is not having groomed her replacement. a person that could handle the Democrats but a new leader that would understand the challenges of a new generation.

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Semi-relevant, i.e., slightly off-topic.

 

Tweeted November 9, 2018:

…Nancy Pelosi garnered 85.74% of the November 6, 2018 votes, almost 5% more than her previous victory. More than two/thirds of the candidates endorsed by Trump lost their bids.

 

Tweeted 27 Mar 2017:
Hey, @potus. Here's a winner! In the 2016 election, @NancyPelosi won her race with 80.9% of the vote.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Again the biggest failure for Pelosi, is not having groomed her replacement. a person that could handle the Democrats but a new leader that would understand the challenges of a new generation.


It is not up to Pelosi to find a new leader, it is up to an individual to step forward to assume the mantle.  Once a new leader has stepped forward, Pelosi can help them become a better leader, but it is not up to her to choose one.

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@sp362 :


Have you ever heard of the word mentoring?   not choosing but mentoring  and seeing that if they come forward as her replacement they are prepared for the job.


 

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

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Have you ever heard of the word mentoring?   not choosing but mentoring  and seeing that if they come forward as her replacement they are prepared for the job.  Is mentoring in the job discription?  Didn't think so......not her job.  If some others want to groom and mentor another, they should go for it.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

@sp362 :


Have you ever heard of the word mentoring?   not choosing but mentoring  and seeing that if they come forward as her replacement they are prepared for the job.


 


If she was responsible for hiring a new leader, then what you said would have some merit, but she is not.  Somebody needs to take some personal accountability and step up to be a leader.  She cannot simply choose a new "leader" for everybody else, that is a recipe for disaster.  You cannot blame her for the weakness of others.

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@Roxanna35 - I get that. It was reported that she planned to take steps toward bringing on a possible successor. Politics doesn't operate like a business, and Congress follows a seniority based system, though anyone can announce as a candidate for Speaker and be elected. It's going to be the person that the D caucus deems most likely to succeed in facing the current challenges. Whatever they do, and whomever they choose, they should consider wisely.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Wow Chasky,  what you have posted as the desire of the Progressives, is what I think that all Parties should be working on. Just not only the Democrats.

Those are important issues for the Country, not for any individual Party.

They are not leftists issues, they are what this country needs. and both parties should be working toweard to.


One thing is for certain .............. voting Republicans into office will bring none of those things about.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

Wow Chasky,  what you have posted as the desire of the Progressives, is what I think that all Parties should be working on. Just not only the Democrats.

Those are important issues for the Country, not for any individual Party.

They are not leftists issues, they are what this country needs. and both parties should be working toweard to.


One thing is for certain .............. voting Republicans into office will bring none of those things about.


You are correct. because the present Republicans have ceased to be Republicans and have now embraced the Trump Party as their Party.

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