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I found it rather comical to watch the Liberals attack Mueller when they said from the beginning they would trust him and the outcome.  They were rougher on Mueller than Conservatives.

I felt sorry for the guy...all that pressure from both sides (especially the side that 'supported' him during the investigation but didn't like him when he didn't say what they wanted to hear).

Mueller should have never been asked to be head

of it.  He's a Viet Nam Vet who served our country well and was injured even.  Give him a break and let him retire without the attacks ~ he well deserves it!

 

"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."

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Former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s testimony before Congress was touted by Democrats as the moment public opinion could shift in favor of impeachment. It will instead likely be remembered as the moment when public opinion crystallized against it.

 

Democrats hoped that Mueller would either add to or at least provide independent corroboration of his eponymous report. That did not happen. Mueller’s unwillingness to fulfill this partisan task was manifest, extending to even refusing to read sections from that report, thereby avoiding any video of him reciting arguments the president obstructed justice. There will be no “smoking gun” moment, no claim that a “cancer is growing on the presidency,” arising from Mueller’s testimony.

 

Mueller’s unwillingness to be used as a partisan prop extended to repeated refusals to answer a host of seemingly relevant questions posed by members of both parties. He refused to speculate, demurred from characterizations of the elements of obstruction of justice by members of Congress and even refused to say the word “impeachment.” His report was frequently cited by Democrats as establishing that the president has committed obstruction of justice, but Mueller will not be an active party to that.

 
That means Democrats will proceed on their own reading of the report, and the reading will inevitably be viewed as a partisan attack — which it would be. The majority of Democratic voters were so consumed with hatred of the president that they favored impeachment months before he committed a single act they now cite as justifying impeachment. It didn’t take long for Democratic members of Congress to join their base on the issue. Even many Americans who dislike President Trump see this for what it is: a partisan witch hunt.
 

That was not what happened in the Nixon impeachment investigation. Democrats were political opponents of President Richard Nixon, and many detested him. But they did not start from the position that impeachment was desirable and then fill in the details later. Instead, the investigations discovered evidence of real criminal acts — White House involvement in burglaries and money laundering, to name two — and disclosed evidence of personal acts by the president that were at best shady and at worst criminal. That’s why Nixon’s job approval rating plummeted throughout 1973: Americans, including many Republicans, smelled a rat and wanted it caught.

 

The current impeachment efforts are similar to the failed Republican efforts to unseat President Bill Clinton. Then-independent counsel Ken Starr’s investigation also arguably uncovered crimes committed by Clinton; it remains undisputed that the president at the very least lied under oath, committing perjury. Democrats fought the impeachment, however, as a “vast right-wing conspiracy” and rallied public opinion to their side. They succeeded because there had been a years-long effort by many conservatives to investigate the Clintons driven by partisan animus. The years of vitriol that have been directed at Trump are no different in their origin than those anti-Clinton efforts, and people across the political spectrum clearly see that.

 
Democrats committed a similar fury-fueled act a few years ago in Wisconsin. They were so angry at Republican Gov. Scott Walker over his legislative triumphs that they sought to recall him. That effort qualified for the ballot but failed despite the fact that more voters disapproved of Walker’s job performance at that time than approved of it. It was clear that a key group of voters thought that Walker’s acts did not rise to the level of justifying the extraordinary remedy of removing him from office midterm. Polls regarding impeaching Trump show an identical pattern.
 

Most House Democrats argued that Trump obstructed justice when he repeatedly tried to pressure then-White House Counsel Donald McGahn to tell Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein to fire Mueller. That will be a weak reed to rely on, in part because that did not mean the investigation itself would end. Trump seemed to believe that Mueller was personally prejudiced against Trump, and the fact that McGahn didn’t agree doesn’t mean the president can’t run his own department as he sees fit. Democrats will obviously disagree, but this is exactly the type of question that partisans on both sides answer differently depending on whose ox would be gored.

 

All this suggests that Mueller’s testimony will be no game-changer. Democrats have long believed that Trump is so vile, so bigoted, so dishonest that he ought not to be president a minute longer. They view every fact through that lens. Further investigations likely will not uncover any evidence that will dissuade them of this view. They should have the courage of their convictions, push the matter forward and end this sorry moment in our history one way or the other.

 

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/24/muellers-testimony-crystallized-public-opinion-a...

 

 

 


But don't let us all forget that the Socialist Liberal party said in the beginning they would trust Mueller's investigation and his outcome.

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It only matters what swing voters think about Mueller's testimony.  My suspicions about what they think makes me smile.

 

 

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@john258 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

@john258 , nothing would make me happier than for the democrats to move forward with impeachment proceedings, it would guarantee a landslide election for President Trump.

 

May the Mueller probe rest in peace after Mr. Mueller himself drove the last nail in the coffin.  Maybe now he can retire and enjoy the rest of his life.  Mr. Nadler and Mr. Schiff should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this American Patriot.  Shame on Andrew Weissman for also exploiting Mr. Mueller's reputation and name.  After yesterday I now understand exactly what happened.  The thirteen angry democrat layers that produced the "HIT JOB" on a private citizen, Presidential candidate, President elect and then the President should be investigated for criminal conspiracy.

 

Now for the first chapter of the investigation of the investigators that put their thumb on the scale concerning Hillary Clinton and the DNC.  They never dreamed she would lose and they would be exposed but they will be.  IG Horriwitz and AG Bill Barr are working on this right now and the results of their investigations will be made public.  

 

Who do you think will win the democrat primary?

 

 

 

 


Well based on what  TV Preacher Jack tells us we might have all the far right in some heaven vacationing while the war with Russia rages and millions or billions are killed so they can then return to earth and live forever. Trump Pastor Jack tells us is doing gods work for the far right. So it is a step back for the far right if all they now want to be happy is impeachment proceedings against Dictator Trump which might end him doing Gods work for the far right. Mr Mueller probe proved that Dictator Trump committed crimes and can be charged with them after he leaves office. That is backed up by over 1,000 experts who have worked in the Federal justice system per their letter some time ago. The only people who should be ashamed of what happened are the people who voted for Dictator Trump as they have ended the USA as a world leader. The far right leaders know their followers well. As S. Bannon has told us feed them nonsense that is at the level of understanding of Dictator Trump (5th grade) and they get all excited. Steve calls is fodder for the rabble.


Well @john258 , I have no idea what your post (or rant) is all about or the people you are talking about...

 

So, you have yourself a fine day...

 

 

 

 


Well I posted on it yesterday so go read it. Preacher Jack following is made up of the far Trump enablers.

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@jimc91 wrote:

@john258 , nothing would make me happier than for the democrats to move forward with impeachment proceedings, it would guarantee a landslide election for President Trump.

 

May the Mueller probe rest in peace after Mr. Mueller himself drove the last nail in the coffin.  Maybe now he can retire and enjoy the rest of his life.  Mr. Nadler and Mr. Schiff should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this American Patriot.  Shame on Andrew Weissman for also exploiting Mr. Mueller's reputation and name.  After yesterday I now understand exactly what happened.  The thirteen angry democrat layers that produced the "HIT JOB" on a private citizen, Presidential candidate, President elect and then the President should be investigated for criminal conspiracy.

 

Now for the first chapter of the investigation of the investigators that put their thumb on the scale concerning Hillary Clinton and the DNC.  They never dreamed she would lose and they would be exposed but they will be.  IG Horriwitz and AG Bill Barr are working on this right now and the results of their investigations will be made public.  

 

Who do you think will win the democrat primary?

 

 

 

 


Well based on what  TV Preacher Jack tells us we might have all the far right in some heaven vacationing while the war with Russia rages and millions or billions are killed so they can then return to earth and live forever. Trump Pastor Jack tells us is doing gods work for the far right. So it is a step back for the far right if all they now want to be happy is impeachment proceedings against Dictator Trump which might end him doing Gods work for the far right. Mr Mueller probe proved that Dictator Trump committed crimes and can be charged with them after he leaves office. That is backed up by over 1,000 experts who have worked in the Federal justice system per their letter some time ago. The only people who should be ashamed of what happened are the people who voted for Dictator Trump as they have ended the USA as a world leader. The far right leaders know their followers well. As S. Bannon has told us feed them nonsense that is at the level of understanding of Dictator Trump (5th grade) and they get all excited. Steve calls is fodder for the rabble.


Well @john258 , I have no idea what your post (or rant) is all about or the people you are talking about...

 

So, you have yourself a fine day...

 

 

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

@john258 , nothing would make me happier than for the democrats to move forward with impeachment proceedings, it would guarantee a landslide election for President Trump.

 

May the Mueller probe rest in peace after Mr. Mueller himself drove the last nail in the coffin.  Maybe now he can retire and enjoy the rest of his life.  Mr. Nadler and Mr. Schiff should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this American Patriot.  Shame on Andrew Weissman for also exploiting Mr. Mueller's reputation and name.  After yesterday I now understand exactly what happened.  The thirteen angry democrat layers that produced the "HIT JOB" on a private citizen, Presidential candidate, President elect and then the President should be investigated for criminal conspiracy.

 

Now for the first chapter of the investigation of the investigators that put their thumb on the scale concerning Hillary Clinton and the DNC.  They never dreamed she would lose and they would be exposed but they will be.  IG Horriwitz and AG Bill Barr are working on this right now and the results of their investigations will be made public.  

 

Who do you think will win the democrat primary?

 

 

 

 


Well based on what  TV Preacher Jack tells us we might have all the far right in some heaven vacationing while the war with Russia rages and millions or billions are killed so they can then return to earth and live forever. Trump Pastor Jack tells us is doing gods work for the far right. So it is a step back for the far right if all they now want to be happy is impeachment proceedings against Dictator Trump which might end him doing Gods work for the far right. Mr Mueller probe proved that Dictator Trump committed crimes and can be charged with them after he leaves office. That is backed up by over 1,000 experts who have worked in the Federal justice system per their letter some time ago. The only people who should be ashamed of what happened are the people who voted for Dictator Trump as they have ended the USA as a world leader. The far right leaders know their followers well. As S. Bannon has told us feed them nonsense that is at the level of understanding of Dictator Trump (5th grade) and they get all excited. Steve calls is fodder for the rabble.

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 Yesterday was a revelation to me.  I couldn't stop laughing at what many of the Republicans in Congress had to say. They even tried to paint Mueller as an individual that hired only the people that were against Trump because of their political affiliation.

I couldn't stop laughing at that.  How many times any of this has been asked when you are interviewing for a job "what is your political affiliation"? It would have been grounds for a discriminatory suit if anyone really asked that question  but yet , my fellow Republicans did asked that and accused Mueller of actually doing that.
They couldn't stop trying to engage Mueller in the Steel report although he said that he wouldn't speak about that. but, nevertheless, they all did. As if by bringing that up, they would shod that he was biased against Trump.
Poor man, no wonder he didn't want to be there, He wasn't crucified he was attacked by ignorance. and by the ignorance of the people that do not understand a word of what they were saying.

LIke I have said Democrats. This is time to fight for your country. This is the time to understand that sitting infront of a TV and watching MSNBC or Fox  is not the wyt to resolve what is ailing this country.

You will allhave to engage in a lot more, if you want to win elections. The ignorance that I have seen regarding politics, is so immense that is tragic.
You need to really understand that the time has come to fight, anything and everything ,you all need to do to win the 2020 elections. You have to focus and make that your priority, you have to stop playing with the future of this country. Remember, now that we know that he can be indicted once he leaves office, That man will not go gently into the night. Please remember that. and fight, fight for your country. too much is at stake here

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I'm certain that Putin has ordered tRump to tell his following to say this - regardless of the fact that it is untrue...

 

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@john258 , nothing would make me happier than for the democrats to move forward with impeachment proceedings, it would guarantee a landslide election for President Trump.

 

May the Mueller probe rest in peace after Mr. Mueller himself drove the last nail in the coffin.  Maybe now he can retire and enjoy the rest of his life.  Mr. Nadler and Mr. Schiff should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this American Patriot.  Shame on Andrew Weissman for also exploiting Mr. Mueller's reputation and name.  After yesterday I now understand exactly what happened.  The thirteen angry democrat layers that produced the "HIT JOB" on a private citizen, Presidential candidate, President elect and then the President should be investigated for criminal conspiracy.

 

Now for the first chapter of the investigation of the investigators that put their thumb on the scale concerning Hillary Clinton and the DNC.  They never dreamed she would lose and they would be exposed but they will be.  IG Horriwitz and AG Bill Barr are working on this right now and the results of their investigations will be made public.  

 

Who do you think will win the democrat primary?

 

 

 

 

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