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Movement to defund police gains 'unprecedented' support across US

Movement to defund police gains 'unprecedented' support across US

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/defund-the-police-us-george-floyd-budgets

 

Activists say the way to stop police brutality and killings is to cut law enforcement budgets and reinvest in services. Some lawmakers now agree


 Protesters rally in Phoenix, demanding the city council defund the Phoenix police department on 3 June 2020. Photograph: Matt York/AP

The movement to defund the police is gaining significant support across America, including from elected leaders, as protests over the killing of George Floyd sweep the nation.

For years, activists have pushed US cities and states to cut law enforcement budgets amid a dramatic rise in spending on police and prisons while funding for vital social services has shrunk or disappeared altogether.

Government officials have long dismissed the idea as a leftist fantasy, but the recent unrest and massive budget shortfalls from the Covid-19 crisis appear to have inspired more mainstream recognition of the central arguments behind defunding.

“To see legislators who aren’t even necessarily on the left supporting at least a significant decrease in New York police department [NYPD] funding is really very encouraging,” Julia Salazar, a New York state senator and Democratic socialist, told the Guardian on Tuesday. “It feels a little bit surreal.” 

Floyd’s death on camera in Minneapolis, advocates say, was a powerful demonstration that police reform efforts of the last half-decade have failed to stop racist policing and killings. Meanwhile, the striking visuals of enormous, militarized and at times violent police forces responding to peaceful protests have led some politicians to question whether police really need this much money and firepower.

 

 

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 Riot police points weapons as they move through a cloud of teargas at a Black Lives Matter protest in Denver. Photograph: Paul Winner/Rex/Shutterstock
 

Meanwhile, unemployment is surging amid the economic fallout of the coronavirus pandemic, with housing and healthcare crises worsening. Many governments have been making painful cuts to services and expect to see tax revenue fall even further in the coming year. But police budgets have not been affected, and some mayors are even seeking to expand law enforcement funding.

A snapshot of some of city budget debates that have escalated this week: 

  • Philadelphia: The mayor has proposed spending $977m on police and prisons, which is 20% of the general fund. A $14m increase for police comes as the city is cutting funding for youth violence prevention, arts and culture, workforce development, and laying off staff at recreation centers and libraries. 

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It shows how unreal the loony left are.. it is a leftist fantasy.

 

 

 

 

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This city disbanded its police department 7 years ago. Here's what happened next

 

 

 

Last week, Minneapolis officials confirmed they were considering a fairly rare course of action: disbanding the city police department.

It's not the first locale to break up a department, but no cities as populous have ever attempted it. Minneapolis City Council members haven't specified what or who will replace it if the department disbands.
Camden, New Jersey, may be the closest thing to a case study they can get.
 
The city, home to a population about 17% of Minneapolis' size, dissolved its police department in 2012 and replaced it with an entirely new one after corruption rendered the existing agency unfixable.
 
 
Before its police reforms, Camden was routinely named one of the most violent cities in the
US
 
Now, seven years after the old department was booted (though around 100 officers were rehired), the city's crime has dropped by close to half. Officers host outdoor parties for residents and knock on doors to introduce themselves. It's a radically different Camden than it was even a decade ago. Here's how they did it.
 
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I too know small towns that disbanded their police department and just utilized the Sheriff dept in it's place. Law enforcement presence increased, as a result. The township officers (30)were absorbed.

 

This is not what the looney left wingers are proposing. 

 

I say let Minneapolis do what they want, good bad or indifferent. The Lawyers are standing by with new 800 phone numbers.

 

 


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Fish said:

I too know small towns that disbanded their police department and just utilized the Sheriff dept in it's place. Law enforcement presence increased, as a result. The township officers (30)were absorbed.

 

This is not what the looney left wingers are proposing. 

 

Then....what ARE they proposing? 

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They have no idea... it's a stupid knee jerk reaction... just like the "green new deal". If someone had suggested Minneapolis  do this two weeks ago they would have been carried off in a straight jacket.

 

But they voted for it... so maybe someone from Minneapolis can answer.


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NYC police dept has a 70% approval rating and 59% from blacks. This was from their union president.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/03/yes-police-have-high-approval-ratings-americans-s...


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    Apparently the RW are taking all words literally and don't really understand what African Americans want from this process.    I would provide a suggestion to a link, but they would not watch it, .     If there was more funding for other services that could be called to attend people in stress instead of the police who are not trained to handle civil conflicts, mentally disturbed people, etc etc, that would be a better service to the community.    The bs "law and order" folks seem to believe that police busting down doors and killing innocent people who are in bed is a good thing....while most sane citizens disagree.   

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Y'all ask for facts... you get them and mock the truth, because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

How about 18 murders in 24 hrs in Chicago? What would that billboard read? 

 

The prism y'all see facts is so insanely distorted, so painfully biased I can only laugh. 


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Fish said: 

Y'all ask for facts... you get them and mock the truth, because it doesn't fit your narrative. 

How about 18 murders in 24 hrs in Chicago? What would that billboard read? 

 

I am trying to understand your point with this statement.  It would certainly appear the police deparment is not very effective when you post that fact so why shouldn't the city look to a different solution?

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What a great idea! (sarc). I read in the local news that the gun stores in my city have virtually sold out.

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The truth is that no one wants simply defund the police departments. 

 

Minneapolis wants to completely reform and reorganize their police department and that means a lot of heads will roll. Sometime true reform can only come by replacing all of those with corrupt mindsets that just won't change.

 

It's funny that anyone would turn a statement like "defund the police" into a 'the sky is falling' event.

 

"unprecedented support" ?    Would the poster like to list all of the states, counties, and local municipalities that are planning to do this?

 

Another hilarious thing is that if tRump suggested it tRump supporters would be lighting up social media with postings supporting it.

 

The Guardian ............... it figures.

 

Fox News .............. it figures

 

New York Post .............. it figures


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It seems that regressives are fine with law enforcement serving as judge, jury, and executioner...just like a police state would operate...I’m sure that it would be just fine, until it would happen to them or their loved ones. 
That is not the way that our system is meant to operate...justice should be the norm, and should prevail. 

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@williamb39198 

 

It seems that regressives are fine with law enforcement serving as judge, jury, and executioner...just like a police state would operate...I’m sure that it would be just fine, until it would happen to them or their loved ones. 
That is not the way that our system is meant to operate...justice should be the norm, and should prevail. 

 

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That evaluation should have some supporting data.  Certainly what happened to Floyd as horrible as it is, was not typical but atypical. 

 

With the number  of arrests made ( more than 10,000,000) through the country your statement makes it seems if you are arrested you will be executed. The likely percentage is very, very low.

 

 


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Fish said: 

That evaluation should have some supporting data.  Certainly what happened to Floyd as horrible as it is, was not typical but atypical. 

 

With the number  of arrests made ( more than 10,000,000) through the country your statement makes it seems if you are arrested you will be executed. The likely percentage is very, very low.

 

I can not wait to hear THAT billboard outside any city's visitor bureau.  "Hey, your odds of not dying at the hands of our police department are EXCELLENT" 

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In what world does this concept make any sense?  Is this going to be a part of the brave New Democrat platform?

 

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

In what world does this concept make any sense?  Is this going to be a part of the brave New Democrat platform?

 

 

 


Nope .... as Biden already stated.

 

So the Trump supporters have clearly lost that disingenuous talking point!

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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Nope .... as Biden already stated.

So the Trump supporters have clearly lost that disingenuous talking point!

 

The ONLY sane comment made by Biden in the last 6 months!

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:
Wrong ... myexper wrote the words in blue. Yours are in red!


Nope .... as Biden already stated.

So the Trump supporters have clearly lost that disingenuous talking point!

 

The ONLY sane comment made by Biden in the last 6 months!


ALL Biden's comments are "sane" .... especially those regarding Trump's "insane" actions!

 

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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This STUPID idea comes from the same cesspool as the "green new deal" and points directly to chaotic minds, with political dementia. 

 

The far left manufacturers the narrative and the political sheep (in wolves clothing) waves the flag and leads the cheer.

 

Demoncrat elitists play the rank and file like a cheap fiddle, but the far left like shinny glass objects. 

 

 

 


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Many states have adopted a Criminal Justice Reinvestment Act model. It gets more people out of prison and uses the savings to invest instead in substance abuse programs, mental health programs, job training programs, etc.  It’s much easier to work on that side than the police side, where you will always need a trained law enforcement response.  I’m all for prison abolition and there are evidenced-based ways to do that. But the front side, police, will always be necessary.

But that doesn’t mean do nothing. I have been interested recently in the fact our frontal lobe doesn’t fully develop until 26 or so, so decision making may not be great. And I wondered how that biological fact impacted police work.  These cases don’t seem to be young cops though. Granted, it might just seem that way because of which incidents garner media attention, so it might be a skewed representation. However, if it’s mostly older police doing this, that suggests to me that they aren’t being held accountable along the way...Chauvin had what, 19 prior complaints? Why was he still a cop? 

Tightening up police accountability is huge. So much work to be done there.

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It costs $31,000/year for each person we incarcerate. We've got a average inmate population of 2,300,000 of which 52% are in jail because of non-violent drug offenses. Legalizing pot and decriminalizing possession and use of other drugs and then releasing those whose act was no longer a crime would net society ($31,000x2,300,000x52%=) $37.1BILLION every year, eliminate ALL for profit prisons and give a huge number of people a chance at a better job because they wouldn't have a drug conviction on their record AND there'd be money to finance programs to help people beat their addictions.

 

We've got a higher portion of our population locked up than the Commies had in Stalin's Gulaug. Our inmate population has grown 500% since Reagan was elected. Are we safer or better because of that?

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

It costs $31,000/year for each person we incarcerate. We've got a average inmate population of 2,300,000 of which 52% are in jail because of non-violent drug offenses. Legalizing pot and decriminalizing possession and use of other drugs and then releasing those whose act was no longer a crime would net society ($31,000x2,300,000x52%=) $37.1BILLION every year, eliminate ALL for profit prisons and give a huge number of people a chance at a better job because they wouldn't have a drug conviction on their record AND there'd be money to finance programs to help people beat their addictions.

 

We've got a higher portion of our population locked up than the Commies had in Stalin's Gulaug. Our inmate population has grown 500% since Reagan was elected. Are we safer or better because of that?


 

Wow, $31,000?

 

I have $13,125 social security retirement income so can't qualify for any government assistance...

 

Please give me the $31,000; I can make that last 2 years at least.

 

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A couple of whack jobs call for defunding police and the regressives go crazy.  Millions of Americans call for Trump to resign and they yawn. Take the regressive stories as having little worth. 

 

We would not be in this mess if Hillary were president now. 

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The thin line that separates Civilization from Chaos is THE POLICE.  Without them, any society quickly devolves into a "might is right" mode that the human race has only recently left behind.

 

The solution is not to DEFUND the Police, it's to REPEAL THE REAGAN TAXSCAM and restore REVENUE SHARING so cities, counties and States will have the resources to attract and keep GOOD COPS.

 

Second item, the budgets for police may have increased over the years, but most of that is because we allowed the NRA/GOP to insure the crooks were better armed than the cops, so we needed to militarize the police weaponry to match what their adversaries could buy (until recently) from WalMart and can still obtain with no meaningful restrictions.

 

It's not we spend too much for police, it's we spend it in the wrong places.

 

 

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America spends more on policing and has more individuals incarcerated than any other developed nation in the world. 

 

Perhaps it is time we invested some of that money in citizen development and crime prevention? 

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America spends more on policing and has more individuals incarcerated than any other developed nation in the world. 

 

Perhaps it is time we invested some of that money in citizen development and crime prevention? 

 

Throwing more money at the police isn't the answer, probably be better off if some of that money was spent in other ways.

 

Stop thinking of it as a BLM issue, start thinking of it as better society issue.

 

 

 

 

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-supports-defund-the-police-demands-george-floyd

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez threw her weight behind a growing movement to defund police departments that has become a rallying cry for some protesters in the wake of George Floyd's death.


The progressive firebrand put her stamp of approval on the far-left demand as a policy solution to combat police brutality and racial injustice during a congressional primary debate that aired Friday night on NY1.

AOC RANKLES DEMOCRATS AGAIN FOR CAMPAIGNING AGAINST AN INCUMBENT: 'SHE HAS ABANDONED HER COLLEAGUES'

Ocasio-Cortez said she's "actively engaged in advocacy for" a "reduction of our NYPD budget and defunding a $6 billion NYPD budget that costs us books in the hands of our children and costs us very badly needed investment in NYCHA [New York City Housing Authority] and public housing."

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Typical left winger that talks before she understands what she said, if she ever understands what she is spouting off about.
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The movement to defund police is based on nothing but lies

https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/the-movement-to-defund-police-is-based-on-nothing-but-lies/



General rule for riots: They begin as protests that have an actual point but then descend into madness. Not only did the orgiastic masses do major long-term damage to the economic prospects of their own communities by rioting in cities across the country, not only did they shout angrily in tightly massed crowds as if they were actively trying to jump-start the coronavirus, but even the supposed thought leaders behind the riots were making radical and destructive policy proposals.

This was the week that the disturbing slogan “defund the police” caught on.

Hillary Clinton’s ex-press secretary Brian Fallon tweeted, “Defund the police.” The progressive outfit the Working Families Party did the same. A Brooklyn College sociology professor, Alex Vitale, called for abolishing the police.

Celebrities rich enough to afford private security — Natalie Portman, Brie Larson, the Weeknd, John Legend, Jane Fonda, Lizzo, etc. — all signed an open letter drenched with lies calling for public funds to be turned away from policing and toward more nebulous goals such as “public health.” The letter claimed, absurdly, that funding for cops and the military has gone up every year since 1973 while spending on “public health” has gone down every year since 1973. Here’s the reality: Medicaid spending in 1975 stood at $13.1 billion. It has gone up virtually every year since, and now stands at $639 billion. Overall, public health spending has risen from less than $200 billion in 1988 to $1.6 trillion last year, according to HealthSystemTracker.org.

The lie that social spending has taken a hit interlocks with the media-created myth that it’s open season on unarmed black men in the US. Fifteen unarmed black people were killed by police last year, as opposed to 25 white people, according to the Washington Post’s database, but black people are much more likely to have police encounters than white people. In an average year, about 49 people are killed by lightning in the US, according to the National Weather Service.

The “defund the police” open letter was released by Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors, who told Variety that too often police are “the first responder for mental-health crises” or “for drug and alcohol abuse” so we should reallocate those dollars “back to the community” for social spending.

Not really. By a more than two to one margin, black Americans support the police and 60 percent of black Americans want more police hired, according to a Civis poll published by Vox this week. (Other groups support the police even more strongly). This week was a chilling display of what happens when police are overwhelmed: Looters rampaged down Madison Avenue and cleaned out Macy’s. Images of our city looking like a reenactment of the last act of “Joker” redefined New York for the world. This city’s revenue base is heavily dependent on the taxes that pour into the city from tourists from around the globe. How enthusiastic are these prospective visitors feeling right now, when New York, already reeling from three months of a deadly outbreak, has proven unable even to protect some of its world-famous stores? Our city has not looked this horrible to outsiders since the chaos that followed the 1977 blackout. Far from defunding the police, we need more policing. And police need to have the confidence that their political leaders will back them up.

Right now, police enjoy no such confidence. Mayors and governors make it clear their sympathies lie more with protesters than their own cops. Hundreds of activists are crying, “Abolish the police” on Twitter. A city councilman in Minneapolis mused on Twitter about what it might take to “disband” his city’s police department.

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Call 911 and you will get a recorded message telling you to call the new department that has replaced your police department.

This is a statistic that you will not hear from protesters as they for the most part are uninformed or have been brainwashed.....

The lie that social spending has taken a hit interlocks with the media-created myth that it’s open season on unarmed black men in the US. Fifteen unarmed black people were killed by police last year, as opposed to 25 white people, according to the Washington Post’s database, but black people are much more likely to have police encounters than white people. In an average year, about 49 people are killed by lightning in the US, according to the National Weather Service.
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