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Poll: Majority backs assault weapons ban

 

Poll: Majorities Of Both Parties Favor Increased Gun Restrictions

 

Poll: Majority backs stricter gun control laws after Vegas shooting

 

The AR-15: ‘America’s rifle’ or illegitimate killing machine?

 

The AR-15, the military-style rifle that a gunman used to kill 17 people at a South Florida high school Wednesday, is at once a ferociously powerful weapon, a symbol of freedom and individualism, and an object of despairing worry about the future of democracy.

 

It is, depending on which political and social camp you belong to, “America’s rifle,” a way to “Control Your Destiny” or a killing machine that has no legitimate place in civilian life.

 

Every time a young man shoots up a school or other public gathering spot, the nation falls into a vituperative debate about whether the shooter’s weapon and the culture surrounding it are a pernicious, uniquely American problem in need of swift remedy.

 

The rifle, used in mass shootings in Newtown, Conn.; Las Vegas; San Bernardino, Calif.; and other grievous chapters, has become a barometer of the country’s debates not only about gun rights, but about the role of the individual, the proper limits on government, and the impact of video games, movies and other forms of pop culture on young people.

 

The AR-15 has come to carry connotations of heroism (a Remington ad said it gives “you the confidence and firepower to get the job done”), political resistance (tighter regulations could let government “subjugate Americans” and make them “live under tyranny,” a National Rifle Association executive said), fun (“killin’ zombies before it was cool,” reads another ad) and mass murder (high-capacity magazines have been used in more than half of mass shootings over four decades, according to several studies).

 

AR-15 rifles and their cousins are among the nation’s most popular and profitable weapons. The AR-15 fires one bullet with each pull of the trigger — thus, semiautomatic — but it is easily modified to shoot continuously until the trigger is released. A promotion for a $500 conversion device assures customers that a “new drop-in trigger promises to turn your basic AR into a (nearly) full-auto rifle, with no need for the onerous National Firearms Act licensing process.”

 

Nikolas Cruz, who police say confessed to the murders Thursday, bought his AR-15 legally, according to Peter J. Forcelli, the special agent in charge of the Miami office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

 

About 1.3 million assault rifles are sold each year, according to a National Shooting Sports Foundation study.

 

The AR-15 — its initials come not from “assault rifle” but from its original manufacturer, ­Armalite — is a descendant of the machine guns Nazi infantrymen used against Soviet forces in World War II.

In the United States, the weapon traces its origins to a contract the Pentagon gave in 1957 to Armalite, which designed it from plastic and aircraft-grade aluminum, rather than the wood and heavier metal that traditional ­rifles used. (The most popular such weapon worldwide is the ­AR-15’s Russian relative, the ­AK-47, or Kalashnikov, which dates to 1947 and has also been widely used by terrorists and mass murderers.)

 

The AR-15, later renamed the M-16, was designed to give U.S. soldiers the confidence that their firearm would efficiently mow down the enemy. The M-16 was the United States’ signature weapon in the Vietnam War; its descendants, chiefly the M4 carbine, are standard equipment to this day.

 

On the civilian market, the AR-15 didn’t sell terribly well for years, in part because of its connection with the Vietnam conflict, which was no one’s idea of a model of American greatness. Many gun enthusiasts didn’t like the AR-15 because it was so light; some dismissed it as feeling like a toy.

 

But the AR-15 found new life in 2004 when President George W. Bush scrapped the ban on assault weapons that had been enacted under President Bill Clinton in 1994.

 

And in 2005, Bush signed into law a measure protecting arms makers and dealers from liability for crimes committed with their products. The NRA called it “the most significant piece of pro-gun legislation in twenty years.”

 

AR-15s flew off the shelves. Sales spiked again during the Obama administration, when the country suffered a flurry of mass shootings, which in turn led to calls by Democrats to reinstate the ban on assault weapons. Persistent campaigns by the NRA and many Republican supporters of gun rights spread the idea that President Barack Obama intended to ban and confiscate Americans’ firearms, leading to a massive surge in sales. Obama never launched any such initiative.

 

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Right now you can own pre 1986 automatic weapons (high cost - over $30K) with a federal license. They need new legislation that makes alteration of any gun, able to fire more than one round with a single trigger pull ILLEGAL. That would take care of this new trigger as well as bump stocks or future mods.

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Cent2010 - Excellent article. I'd just add that the MILITARY finds semi-auto the most effective rate of fire for killing badguys - full auto may hype the adolescent male id, but on the battlefield, it just wastes ammo. Now there's a move in the Army to satisfy that male id factor and return the M-4 to having a full-auto selection instead of the 3-round burst which was unpopular with troops in combat even while it was proven to be better at killing badguys at long range in test situations.

 

So I'm hoping Dems do not fall for the "ugly gun" solution and try and ban weapons based on their sinister appearance. What makes them MILITARY weapons is how well they kill, and THAT means being semi-automatic.

 

By the way, while semi-auto gun sales skyrocketed when the gunnuts saw a black guy in the White House, since Der Trumper's election, sales are WAY off, and Remington Arms has declared bankruptcy.

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Banning semi-auto weapons does not mean seizing guns. It means MODIFYING them so they can only fire once without performing some manual operation to put another round in the firing chamber and fire it.

 

 


So using your new law would make most revolvers illegal.

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Thanks to the NRAGOP, you can buy a minigun manufactured prior to 1986 that fires 3,000 .30cal rounds each minute of operation IF you pay a $200.00 license fee, amount unchanged since it was established in 1934, and pass a background check. Same for any other fully-automatic weapon made before 1986, and there are MILLIONS available.

 

Thing is, only a fraction of a percent (think it's 0,3%) of the weapons used to murder citizens in the USA are full-auto. The most efficient killing machines are the SEMI-automatic weapons with high (above 8) capacity magazines or clips, and thanks again to the NRAGOP, THOSE are available to anyone with the purchase price - just drop by a local gun show OR find an individual with one to sell.

 

Thing is, although ALL the mass killings since the Texas Tower in 1966 have involved semi-auto long guns (rifles), 60% of the killings (that's about 18,000/year) are done with a semi-automatic HAND GUN, so while those ARE reasonable for "home defense", they need to be converted as well.

 

Banning semi-auto weapons does not mean seizing guns. It means MODIFYING them so they can only fire once without performing some manual operation to put another round in the firing chamber and fire it.

 

This reduces the rate of fire for long guns from 120/minute with 30-round clips to 15 rounds per minute with an 8-round clip. There is no hunting or sporting event that will be impacted by the conversions, only murder will be impared. Having to "pull back the hammer" for hand guns will have minimal effect on rate of fire and will improve accuracy for home defense.

 

That is the solution, but first we have to get rid of the elected NRAGOP. November 2018 is an excellent place to begin.

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As the article said, the gun is semi-automatic. Yet, there are all sorts proposals to ban  the gun itself. As was pointed out, it is the conversion to auto that is the problem. Why not concentrate on that?


Certainly automatics should be banned.

 

A semi-automatic is capable of killing dozens in seconds. So you see, the ability to easily convert them to automatics isn't the only "problem". Do you think a weapon like that should be easily obtained and in the hands of everyone? I think they should also be banned.


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As the article said, the gun is semi-automatic. Yet, there are all sorts proposals to ban  the gun itself. As was pointed out, it is the conversion to auto that is the problem. Why not concentrate on that?

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Great posting. It shows the gun manufacturer's/lobbyist's actions in keeping guns flying off of the shelves and keeping assault style weapons easily available. It also shows the public's widespread desire to have assault style weapons banned. This will never happen with Republicans in office and IMHO, part of the blood is on their hands.


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Poll: Majority backs assault weapons ban

 

Poll: Majorities Of Both Parties Favor Increased Gun Restrictions

 

Poll: Majority backs stricter gun control laws after Vegas shooting

 

The AR-15: ‘America’s rifle’ or illegitimate killing machine?

 

The AR-15, the military-style rifle that a gunman used to kill 17 people at a South Florida high school Wednesday, is at once a ferociously powerful weapon, a symbol of freedom and individualism, and an object of despairing worry about the future of democracy.

 

It is, depending on which political and social camp you belong to, “America’s rifle,” a way to “Control Your Destiny” or a killing machine that has no legitimate place in civilian life.

 

Every time a young man shoots up a school or other public gathering spot, the nation falls into a vituperative debate about whether the shooter’s weapon and the culture surrounding it are a pernicious, uniquely American problem in need of swift remedy.

 

The rifle, used in mass shootings in Newtown, Conn.; Las Vegas; San Bernardino, Calif.; and other grievous chapters, has become a barometer of the country’s debates not only about gun rights, but about the role of the individual, the proper limits on government, and the impact of video games, movies and other forms of pop culture on young people.

 

The AR-15 has come to carry connotations of heroism (a Remington ad said it gives “you the confidence and firepower to get the job done”), political resistance (tighter regulations could let government “subjugate Americans” and make them “live under tyranny,” a National Rifle Association executive said), fun (“killin’ zombies before it was cool,” reads another ad) and mass murder (high-capacity magazines have been used in more than half of mass shootings over four decades, according to several studies).

 

AR-15 rifles and their cousins are among the nation’s most popular and profitable weapons. The AR-15 fires one bullet with each pull of the trigger — thus, semiautomatic — but it is easily modified to shoot continuously until the trigger is released. A promotion for a $500 conversion device assures customers that a “new drop-in trigger promises to turn your basic AR into a (nearly) full-auto rifle, with no need for the onerous National Firearms Act licensing process.”

 

Nikolas Cruz, who police say confessed to the murders Thursday, bought his AR-15 legally, according to Peter J. Forcelli, the special agent in charge of the Miami office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

 

About 1.3 million assault rifles are sold each year, according to a National Shooting Sports Foundation study.

 

The AR-15 — its initials come not from “assault rifle” but from its original manufacturer, ­Armalite — is a descendant of the machine guns Nazi infantrymen used against Soviet forces in World War II.

In the United States, the weapon traces its origins to a contract the Pentagon gave in 1957 to Armalite, which designed it from plastic and aircraft-grade aluminum, rather than the wood and heavier metal that traditional ­rifles used. (The most popular such weapon worldwide is the ­AR-15’s Russian relative, the ­AK-47, or Kalashnikov, which dates to 1947 and has also been widely used by terrorists and mass murderers.)

 

The AR-15, later renamed the M-16, was designed to give U.S. soldiers the confidence that their firearm would efficiently mow down the enemy. The M-16 was the United States’ signature weapon in the Vietnam War; its descendants, chiefly the M4 carbine, are standard equipment to this day.

 

On the civilian market, the AR-15 didn’t sell terribly well for years, in part because of its connection with the Vietnam conflict, which was no one’s idea of a model of American greatness. Many gun enthusiasts didn’t like the AR-15 because it was so light; some dismissed it as feeling like a toy.

 

But the AR-15 found new life in 2004 when President George W. Bush scrapped the ban on assault weapons that had been enacted under President Bill Clinton in 1994.

 

And in 2005, Bush signed into law a measure protecting arms makers and dealers from liability for crimes committed with their products. The NRA called it “the most significant piece of pro-gun legislation in twenty years.”

 

AR-15s flew off the shelves. Sales spiked again during the Obama administration, when the country suffered a flurry of mass shootings, which in turn led to calls by Democrats to reinstate the ban on assault weapons. Persistent campaigns by the NRA and many Republican supporters of gun rights spread the idea that President Barack Obama intended to ban and confiscate Americans’ firearms, leading to a massive surge in sales. Obama never launched any such initiative.

 

more at:  The AR-15: ‘America’s rifle’ or illegitimate killing machine?


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