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To all the Trump bashers-Several polls have him beating Hillary for President.  As her scandals become better  known it is getting more likely that Bernie will be your flag bearer. Perhaps Biden will reconsider.

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Trump is a big, orangey object that’s fun to look at, but the real story is why there is an actual proto-fascist movement forming in this country. Trump isn’t the beginning of anything. He’s the end result of years of conservatives growing angrier and angrier — and taking pre-Trump steps like forming the Tea Party and pushing ever more radical Republicans into Congress — about the diversification of America. And if he went away tomorrow, that anger would still be there and someone, likely Cruz, would be the next guy in line to start trying to channel it into political victory.

  

America is a model of diversity with everyone promised their voice and their representation..  and everyone agrees with that until someone that they don't like gets support  : )   it is pretty sad to see that no one really wants a free country or democracy..  what they really want is the right to choose for everyone else.  


   The word is "promised" and if one has been paying attention we know that some elected officials and some appointed officials are working as hard and fast as they can to take away peoples rights and representation in this country.  

    New voter ID laws - meant to make it harder and more expensive for Seniors and minority groups to vote.

    Gerrymandering rules - to redraw electoral maps to swing elections.

     Citizen United etc - in which the wealthy can buy elections without having to reveal themselves.

 

    Worse is that people refuse to read anything longer than a page and refuse to acknowledge that the information even exist.

 

     Why is it that the Tea Party so embraced the Constitution but are now advocating for a meeting to destroy it.  

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I'm still having  a tough time believing Trump will win the nomination. But then lately, what I've been hearing about Ted Cruz, I can see him not getting the nomination. Rubio doesn't look ready for prime time. That leaves Jeb. His numbers remain in single digits. I just don't know how the Republican race is is going to end up. Chris Christy? I just don't know...

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@myexper wrote:

@nyadrn wrote:

@runner50 wrote:

Trump is a big, orangey object that’s fun to look at, but the real story is why there is an actual proto-fascist movement forming in this country. Trump isn’t the beginning of anything. He’s the end result of years of conservatives growing angrier and angrier — and taking pre-Trump steps like forming the Tea Party and pushing ever more radical Republicans into Congress — about the diversification of America. And if he went away tomorrow, that anger would still be there and someone, likely Cruz, would be the next guy in line to start trying to channel it into political victory.

  

America is a model of diversity with everyone promised their voice and their representation..  and everyone agrees with that until someone that they don't like gets support  : )   it is pretty sad to see that no one really wants a free country or democracy..  what they really want is the right to choose for everyone else.  


Not true. Your accusations and target are reversed.

 

Because America is a model of diversity, it is pretty sad to see that there are people supporting candidates like Trump, who would take away the rights of people he doesn't like.


As long as you support their right of choice you can be right  : )  

Life's a Journey, not a Destination" Aerosmith
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@nyadrn wrote:

@runner50 wrote:

Trump is a big, orangey object that’s fun to look at, but the real story is why there is an actual proto-fascist movement forming in this country. Trump isn’t the beginning of anything. He’s the end result of years of conservatives growing angrier and angrier — and taking pre-Trump steps like forming the Tea Party and pushing ever more radical Republicans into Congress — about the diversification of America. And if he went away tomorrow, that anger would still be there and someone, likely Cruz, would be the next guy in line to start trying to channel it into political victory.

  

America is a model of diversity with everyone promised their voice and their representation..  and everyone agrees with that until someone that they don't like gets support  : )   it is pretty sad to see that no one really wants a free country or democracy..  what they really want is the right to choose for everyone else.  


Not true. Your accusations and target are reversed.

 

Because America is a model of diversity, it is pretty sad to see that there are people supporting candidates like Trump, who would take away the rights of people he doesn't like.

DUMP TRUMP AND MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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@nyadrn wrote:

@runner50 wrote:

Trump is a big, orangey object that’s fun to look at, but the real story is why there is an actual proto-fascist movement forming in this country. Trump isn’t the beginning of anything. He’s the end result of years of conservatives growing angrier and angrier — and taking pre-Trump steps like forming the Tea Party and pushing ever more radical Republicans into Congress — about the diversification of America. And if he went away tomorrow, that anger would still be there and someone, likely Cruz, would be the next guy in line to start trying to channel it into political victory.

  

America is a model of diversity with everyone promised their voice and their representation..  and everyone agrees with that until someone that they don't like gets support  : )   it is pretty sad to see that no one really wants a free country or democracy..  what they really want is the right to choose for everyone else.  


This country has a rich tradition of bashing the political foe, social media and the populations ease of participating in the bashing only makes it SEEM lke its new. Except for endless wastes of tax money on investigations I embrace it. Generally, a new Prez stops all investigations on past admins, as in Obama doesnt investigate Bush/ Cheney, the next will forgive Obama admin, making all our wasted tax money a political sideshow. Bash on Smiley Happy My candidates too Smiley Happy

 

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@runner50 wrote:

Trump is a big, orangey object that’s fun to look at, but the real story is why there is an actual proto-fascist movement forming in this country. Trump isn’t the beginning of anything. He’s the end result of years of conservatives growing angrier and angrier — and taking pre-Trump steps like forming the Tea Party and pushing ever more radical Republicans into Congress — about the diversification of America. And if he went away tomorrow, that anger would still be there and someone, likely Cruz, would be the next guy in line to start trying to channel it into political victory.

  

America is a model of diversity with everyone promised their voice and their representation..  and everyone agrees with that until someone that they don't like gets support  : )   it is pretty sad to see that no one really wants a free country or democracy..  what they really want is the right to choose for everyone else.  

Life's a Journey, not a Destination" Aerosmith
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Unfortunately, even now in this country, there are folks like this.......Woman Sad

 

Donald Trump’s no leader — he’s just the voice that the ugliest Americans have been dying for

 

This is how you understand Trump — he's more of a reflection of his supporters than he is a leader

 

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/08/trumps_no_leader_hes_just_the_voice_that_the_ugliest_americans_have_...

 

Donald Trump's no leader — he's just the voice that the ugliest Americans have been dying for

 

 

But the Trump phenomenon isn’t really about him, as fascinating (and orange) of a character as he is. Trump is better understood not as the creator of a movement, but the expression of a popular will, a cipher through which huge numbers of Americans communicate what looks an awful lot like fascist sympathies. He is a symptom of a larger problem, not the cause of it.

 

When you’re working under the assumption that Trump is the creator of his own movement, it seems not unreasonable to believe that choking him off from media attention is the key to fixing this problem. While the ignore-him-and-he’ll-go-away arguments have lost some of their salience in recent months, this belief, that journalists have a certain amount of power to destroy him that they are neglecting to use, continues to have a hold in some circles.

 

After Trump on Monday called for banning Muslims from entering the U.S., there was a rush of journalists pointing out that he timed his announcement perfectly to drown out reports that that Ted Cruz was beating him in the polls in Iowa. Andrew Prokop of Vox took it a step further, arguing that the round of bipartisan condemnations “is exactly what Trump wanted” and trotting out polling evidence that shows that Trump benefits from controversy.

 

It’s true that Trump benefits from controversy — I pointed that out myself right before the San Bernardino shooting happened —but it doesn’t necessarily follow that he is playing us all for fools when the media covers his ugly statements and politicians and pundits condemn them. Another, more likely explanation is that Trump tends to crest when proto-fascist sentiment rises up in the public. He may not be leading followers so much as he is riding a wave.

 

The events after the Paris attacks suggest the wave theory over the pied piper theory. Trump spiked in the polls after that eventbut the polls were all taken in the days before he rolled out his Muslim database idea and before he claimed to see Muslims celebrating the 9/11 attacks in New Jersey.

 

All of which suggests that it’s less what Trump does that matters to his supporters than what he represents. If you’re feeling in a racist, hysterical mood, then you know Trump has got your back before he even opens his mouth.

 

Trump’s much-ballyhooed showmanship is just more evidence that, far from leading the troops, he’s just doing their bidding. As an entertainer, he knows the secret to playing to a crowd is finding out what they want and giving it to them. One of the things that sets him apart from the other candidates is his accessibility. Most candidates have a layer of people between themselves and the public so communicating with the candidate requires setting up carefully prearranged meetings. Trump, on the other hand, is a Twitter obsessive who sits there, no doubt personally much of the time, retweeting stuff directly from his followers. He always reading his audience and tweaking his act to meet their standards.

 

No doubt Trump released his Muslim travel ban plans in order to derail Ted Cruz’s big moment. That doesn’t make him some criminal mastermind, though. Timing newsworthy campaign announcements to undermine your opponent is a standard move, something nearly all politicians try to do and any campaign adviser worth his salt will tell you to do. (Remember how John McCain timed the announcement of Sarah Palin as his running mate the day after Barack Obama’s acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention, a move clearly designed to knock Obama’s triumphant speech out of the headlines?) The timing aspect is only interesting because the campaign announcement itself is obnoxious and bigoted and is guaranteed to cause another round of wondering if Trump is officially a fascist yet.

 

Trump did what candidates do: Feeling the race tightening up, he increased his outreach to voters by dangling a policy idea in front of them that he thinks they will like. The fact that he thinks this gambit will work is where the story is.

 

This isn’t a media story. It’s a voter story.  If the only thing Trump needs to rise in the polls is media attention, he could tap dance or honk someone’s boob or get plastic surgery or something. He went this direction because he thinks, almost certainly for a good reason, that the voters who have been playing footsie with Cruz will be excited by this proposal and will go back to supporting Trump. In that sense, he’s like every other politician out there, going where the votes are.

 

Trump is a big, orangey object that’s fun to look at, but the real story is why there is an actual proto-fascist movement forming in this country. Trump isn’t the beginning of anything. He’s the end result of years of conservatives growing angrier and angrier — and taking pre-Trump steps like forming the Tea Party and pushing ever more radical Republicans into Congress — about the diversification of America. And if he went away tomorrow, that anger would still be there and someone, likely Cruz, would be the next guy in line to start trying to channel it into political victory.

 
 
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