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What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.


For once I agree with you, we don't presently have "a form of Medicare For All" and it's bogus for anyone to claim that.


Medicare for all means all people can be treated whether they can pay for it or not


No John, 'Medicare For All' means much much more than that. Saying that what we have today is a form of Medicare for all is just plain wrong, as wrong as wrong can be. There is no comparison.


The first thing one must do on this subject is understand the entire system before trying to push any changes. As the President of a Hospital told P Harris everyone now has medical coverage and anyone who has worked in the system knows that. The ER part does not require payment to get. It is the most expensive, and has the poorest result of any part. There never has been a cost study of  the entire system. If there was you would find the cost of the improvements in what would be a new version of medicare for all be a lot less or even save some money being spent now. We all pay for the ER care in taxes, premiums, etc as it is added into everything done in the total medical system. The far right reb., and Trump take the position you do there is no comparison between what is proposed as the new Medicare for All and the form of medicare for all we now have and use bad cost figures to kill the new approach. So you are telling me you agree with Trump and the far right on the costs of the new Medicare for all. There is another answer which a Gov. of GA gave. Let them die in the streets. WE NOW HAVE A FORM FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL IN OUR TOTAL MEDICAL TREATMENT PROGRAM.


I tired of false assumptions and accusations like tRump supporters make. No, I don't take the same opposition as tRump and the "far right rep". No, what we have is not anywhere close to a form of "Medicare for All".  No I am not "telling you I agree with tRump on the costs of Medicare for All".  

 

NO WE DO NOT HAVE A FORM OF MEDICARE FOR ALL IN OUR TOTAL MEDICAL TREATMENT PROGRAM.   This is true no matter how many times you claim that we do, EVEN WHEN YOU TYPE IT IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.     Going to the doctor of your own choice and being able to go for preventative health care isn't included for people who are poor, without insurance, and are forced to use an emergency room. It's nothing similar to what Medicare For All would be like.

 

By the way the following, which you said is correct, supports the need for Medicare For All:  You said this: "There never has been a cost study of  the entire system. If there was  there was you would find the cost of the improvements in what would be a new version of medicare for all be a lot less or even save some money being spent now".      


You need to learn the entire system. We have a total Health Care system now where everyone can get medical Treatment period. That is a form of Medicare for all. The part that covers much of the non payers is ER Care. That is the part that the Medicare for all which Bernie wants will reduce heavily the number in ER care. Bernie plan will use 2 parts. Medicaid for people who can not pay, and Medicare for under 65 for the rest. There still will be other self standing parts of the system like IHS, Va, Military are examples. These could be merged in if they wanted to.

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What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.


For once I agree with you, we don't presently have "a form of Medicare For All" and it's bogus for anyone to claim that.


Medicare for all means all people can be treated whether they can pay for it or not


No John, 'Medicare For All' means much much more than that. Saying that what we have today is a form of Medicare for all is just plain wrong, as wrong as wrong can be. There is no comparison.


The first thing one must do on this subject is understand the entire system before trying to push any changes. As the President of a Hospital told P Harris everyone now has medical coverage and anyone who has worked in the system knows that. The ER part does not require payment to get. It is the most expensive, and has the poorest result of any part. There never has been a cost study of  the entire system. If there was you would find the cost of the improvements in what would be a new version of medicare for all be a lot less or even save some money being spent now. We all pay for the ER care in taxes, premiums, etc as it is added into everything done in the total medical system. The far right reb., and Trump take the position you do there is no comparison between what is proposed as the new Medicare for All and the form of medicare for all we now have and use bad cost figures to kill the new approach. So you are telling me you agree with Trump and the far right on the costs of the new Medicare for all. There is another answer which a Gov. of GA gave. Let them die in the streets. WE NOW HAVE A FORM FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL IN OUR TOTAL MEDICAL TREATMENT PROGRAM.


I tired of false assumptions and accusations like tRump supporters make. No, I don't take the same opposition as tRump and the "far right rep". No, what we have is not anywhere close to a form of "Medicare for All".  No I am not "telling you I agree with tRump on the costs of Medicare for All".  

 

NO WE DO NOT HAVE A FORM OF MEDICARE FOR ALL IN OUR TOTAL MEDICAL TREATMENT PROGRAM.   This is true no matter how many times you claim that we do, EVEN WHEN YOU TYPE IT IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.     Going to the doctor of your own choice and being able to go for preventative health care isn't included for people who are poor, without insurance, and are forced to use an emergency room. It's nothing similar to what Medicare For All would be like.

 

By the way the following, which you said is correct, supports the need for Medicare For All:  You said this: "There never has been a cost study of  the entire system. If there was  there was you would find the cost of the improvements in what would be a new version of medicare for all be a lot less or even save some money being spent now".      


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What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.


For once I agree with you, we don't presently have "a form of Medicare For All" and it's bogus for anyone to claim that.


We currently have Medicaid for All and you and I agree it should be better than that.  I remember as a kid, we had county run hospitals and clinics where people with little to no means could get care.  I presume that many of those disappeared because there was a stigma associated with the county facilities.  I'm also talking about the time where you went to a private doc and paid $5 or they even came to you for $6 and there was no insurance and minimal lawsuits.  The added cost of regulations, fairness, procedure codes, insurance, and litigation has added greatly to the problems and COST!

 

My preference would be some of the old, ought to come back!


You are referring to a time when health care was not-for-profit and you can thank Nixon for changing that. It's unreasonable to think that a doctor's visit could be $5.00 today, sixty to seventy years later. 


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What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.


For once I agree with you, we don't presently have "a form of Medicare For All" and it's bogus for anyone to claim that.


Medicare for all means all people can be treated whether they can pay for it or not


No John, 'Medicare For All' means much much more than that. Saying that what we have today is a form of Medicare for all is just plain wrong, as wrong as wrong can be. There is no comparison.


The first thing one must do on this subject is understand the entire system before trying to push any changes. As the President of a Hospital told P Harris everyone now has medical coverage and anyone who has worked in the system knows that. The ER part does not require payment to get. It is the most expensive, and has the poorest result of any part. There never has been a cost study of  the entire system. If there was you would find the cost of the improvements in what would be a new version of medicare for all be a lot less or even save some money being spent now. We all pay for the ER care in taxes, premiums, etc as it is added into everything done in the total medical system. The far right reb., and Trump take the position you do there is no comparison between what is proposed as the new Medicare for All and the form of medicare for all we now have and use bad cost figures to kill the new approach. So you are telling me you agree with Trump and the far right on the costs of the new Medicare for all. There is another answer which a Gov. of GA gave. Let them die in the streets. WE NOW HAVE A FORM FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL IN OUR TOTAL MEDICAL TREATMENT PROGRAM.

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What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.


For once I agree with you, we don't presently have "a form of Medicare For All" and it's bogus for anyone to claim that.


We currently have Medicaid for All and you and I agree it should be better than that.  I remember as a kid, we had county run hospitals and clinics where people with little to no means could get care.  I presume that many of those disappeared because there was a stigma associated with the county facilities.  I'm also talking about the time where you went to a private doc and paid $5 or they even came to you for $6 and there was no insurance and minimal lawsuits.  The added cost of regulations, fairness, procedure codes, insurance, and litigation has added greatly to the problems and COST!

 

My preference would be some of the old, ought to come back!

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What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.


For once I agree with you, we don't presently have "a form of Medicare For All" and it's bogus for anyone to claim that.


Medicare for all means all people can be treated whether they can pay for it or not


No John, 'Medicare For All' means much much more than that. Saying that what we have today is a form of Medicare for all is just plain wrong, as wrong as wrong can be. There is no comparison.


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What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.


For once I agree with you, we don't presently have "a form of Medicare For All" and it's bogus for anyone to claim that.


Medicare for all means all people can be treated whether they can pay for it or not, and that is what we have. There are a number of parts to the system: Insurance from employers, Indv. Insurance, VA Medical Program, Indian Health Service, Govt. Program on Fed, Sate, local level, Medicare, Medicaid, ER Care, Military health care, plus a few more sections. As I have said the first step in understanding health care is knowing the full system. As P. Harris said on TV after one of her campaign meetings. I was told yesterday by the head of a Hospital: Everyone in the USA has some type of health care wheater they can pay or not.

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What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.


For once I agree with you, we don't presently have "a form of Medicare For All" and it's bogus for anyone to claim that.


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FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO MEDICARE FOR CLOSE TO 50 YEARS WANT TO KNOW IF WE GET OUR MONEY BACK SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE FREE AND PAID FOR FROM TAX MONEY, IF IT HAPPENS I WANT MY MONEY BACK!


I share your feelings about this also since I put in for 50 years also and still putting in since you pay monthly for Medicare.  All of a sudden, the amount you put in doesn't matter to liberals.  Government knows how to run everything - liberals motto.


Well here is news to both of you. We have a form of Medicare for all now, and have had it for over 100 years. Just go to the ER and you will be treated whether you can pay or not. It is the most expensive part of health care and has the poorest outcomes. We have all been paying for that system through taxes State, Fed., Local, Insurance Prems, etc.  The govt has been running our medical system for over a 100 years now and has done ok. You prem. for medicare help pay for the ER care and have been doing so for years. It helps to learn a subject first. You do know the far right Rep. opposed the medicare you have today.


What you are describing is "Medicaid for All" and not Medicare for All.  Try your trick going to a private doctor (specialist) and tell him/her that you are here for the free service and see how well that works out.  I can choose any specialist with my Original Medicare and go and be accepted by the doctors and not rejected.

 

Your scam only works at the ER and you will be told to visit your regular doctor if you don't have life threatening conditions.  I assume you don't see the difference?


Well you proved my point. The total system will treat all, and I have said the ER part is the most expense with the worst out come. One reason for the Worst outcome is after you are treated at the ER they tell you to get follow up care with your Dr. When you do not have a Dr. you get no follow up care and many times end up back in the ER for care. There are some cities who now are taking people who use the ER as their only care source and having them get follow up care through programs they set up with Dr. for follow up care. Guess what first reports show they save money by doing this. The biggest problem we have today on health care is the people who have no understanding of it, but like to talk about fixing it as they do more harm than good.

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As I stated earlier, MFA will prove to be Bernie's downfall. The 10 year estimated cost is around $34 trillion The 10 year estimated cost for the entire federal budget is between $40 and $45 trillion. Do the math, we can't afford it. 

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