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So civil liability is why there needs to be reform of the legal system???  LMAO!  


Hilarious.  Same old nonsense of picking something to take out of context to respond to.  But, yes, civil liability needs to be reformed as much as the criminal code because 1) there is as much "civil liability" in someone pulling an illegal sawed-off shot gun and shooting at the cops as there is in the cops making a mistake on the address.  In fact, there may be more because while it could be argued that the guy with the shotgun also made a mistake because he didn't hear them shout POLICE and he didn't see POLICE blazoned across their jackets and he thought it was a home invasion, he still had an illegal weapon before either of them made a mistake.  2) Regardless of liability, these people WILL be paid off because it is more expeditious and probably cost less than going to court due to how our legal system operates.

 

But what's REALLY hilarious is that all you little liberals just can't stop whining about how we need stronger gun laws to keep people from having LEGAL firearms but it immediately becomes okay for someone to have an ILLEGAL firearm when it suits your purpose even though the incident you're now whining about would never have happened if he hadn't.  And therein lies the REAL problem:  LITTLE LIBERALS DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AND DON'T CARE ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG.  THEY AREN'T BRIGHT ENOUGH TO GET PAST THE DOGMA THE LIBERAL ELITE FEEDS THEM AND THEY BLINDLY REPEAT.

 

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@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

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Unless the informant insisted the police not vet the veracity of his information, and demanded the police barge into a house pulling triggers first and identifying the occupants second, I'm not sure how the blame of what went on here goes beyond the police department itself.


Really?  In review, according to the article:

 

1.  The police entered the wrong house.  1 point for the occupants

 

2.  They identified themselves as police.  1 point for the police

 

3.  They were wearing police jackets.  1 point for the police

 

4.  The occupant pulled a saw-off shotgun, which is illegal to own.  1 point for the police 

 

5.  The occupant fired the illegal weapon at the police before they returned fire, killing the occupant. 1 point for the police 

 

Cops win 4 to 1.  Which is usually the case.


The police were not there for the sole purpose of seizing the illegal weapon. They actually had no purpose in entering the home, since it was the wrong one. Therefore:

 

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Game. Set. Match.

 

What this turned out to be was a home invasion. His widow will win a settlement. You can bank on it.


As I clearly stated, the police entered the wrong house. Bravo!!!! 

 


Bravo!!!!  More comments scattered around that make little sense and add NOTHING to the conversation.


They make total sense to anyone who can read and has everything to do with YOUR points to the conversation.  Your response contributes NOTHING!  So civil liability is why there needs to be reform of the legal system???  LMAO!  


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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

Unless the informant insisted the police not vet the veracity of his information, and demanded the police barge into a house pulling triggers first and identifying the occupants second, I'm not sure how the blame of what went on here goes beyond the police department itself.


Really?  In review, according to the article:

 

1.  The police entered the wrong house.  1 point for the occupants

 

2.  They identified themselves as police.  1 point for the police

 

3.  They were wearing police jackets.  1 point for the police

 

4.  The occupant pulled a saw-off shotgun, which is illegal to own.  1 point for the police 

 

5.  The occupant fired the illegal weapon at the police before they returned fire, killing the occupant. 1 point for the police 

 

Cops win 4 to 1.  Which is usually the case.


The police were not there for the sole purpose of seizing the illegal weapon. They actually had no purpose in entering the home, since it was the wrong one. Therefore:

 

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Game. Set. Match.

 

What this turned out to be was a home invasion. His widow will win a settlement. You can bank on it.


As I clearly stated, the police entered the wrong house. Bravo!!!! 

 


Bravo!!!!  More comments scattered around that make little sense and add NOTHING to the conversation.

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@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

Unless the informant insisted the police not vet the veracity of his information, and demanded the police barge into a house pulling triggers first and identifying the occupants second, I'm not sure how the blame of what went on here goes beyond the police department itself.


Really?  In review, according to the article:

 

1.  The police entered the wrong house.  1 point for the occupants

 

2.  They identified themselves as police.  1 point for the police

 

3.  They were wearing police jackets.  1 point for the police

 

4.  The occupant pulled a saw-off shotgun, which is illegal to own.  1 point for the police 

 

5.  The occupant fired the illegal weapon at the police before they returned fire, killing the occupant. 1 point for the police 

 

Cops win 4 to 1.  Which is usually the case.


The police were not there for the sole purpose of seizing the illegal weapon. They actually had no purpose in entering the home, since it was the wrong one. Therefore:

 

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Game. Set. Match.

 

What this turned out to be was a home invasion. His widow will win a settlement. You can bank on it.


As I clearly stated, the police entered the wrong house. Bravo!!!!  It was also clearly stated in the initial post, as well as the link provided.  It's called negligence.  Note is also stated they "did the best surveillance we could do".  Obviously, they didn't.  had  It was a mistake that should not have happened.  Yep and inexcusable.  But once it did, game, set and match was actually the idiot pulling an illegal saw-off shotgun and shooting at them.  The idiots were the cops who busted in the wrong house.  At least it was for him because he left the police no choice other than to return fire or commit "suicide by perpetrator."    And I have no doubt his widow will get paid off.  And she should.  The police were negligent. That's just the way our legal system works and the reason it needs to be reformed. LOL.  That's why the system needs to be reformed?  The police need to be better better trained as this case shows.  He could have just been getting off a warning shot to those he thought were invading his home and assaulting his wife.

 

And I have absolutely no doubt your opinion, and that of every liberal in the country, would be just the opposite if a black man "barged into a house" and was killed by an illegal sawed-off shotgun.  You'd want murder charges filed.  And that's the problem today.  Opinions seem to have nothing to do with right or wrong, just about race.  And yet it was YOU who made the discussion about race.  I guess you're a Liberal per your comment.

 

 


 


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@BigLib wrote:

@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

Unless the informant insisted the police not vet the veracity of his information, and demanded the police barge into a house pulling triggers first and identifying the occupants second, I'm not sure how the blame of what went on here goes beyond the police department itself.


Really?  In review, according to the article:

 

1.  The police entered the wrong house.  1 point for the occupants

 

2.  They identified themselves as police.  1 point for the police

 

3.  They were wearing police jackets.  1 point for the police

 

4.  The occupant pulled a saw-off shotgun, which is illegal to own.  1 point for the police 

 

5.  The occupant fired the illegal weapon at the police before they returned fire, killing the occupant. 1 point for the police 

 

Cops win 4 to 1.  Which is usually the case.


The police were not there for the sole purpose of seizing the illegal weapon. They actually had no purpose in entering the home, since it was the wrong one. Therefore:

 

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Game. Set. Match.

 

What this turned out to be was a home invasion. His widow will win a settlement. You can bank on it.


As I clearly stated, the police entered the wrong house.  It was a mistake that should not have happened.  But once it did, game, set and match was actually the idiot pulling an illegal saw-off shotgun and shooting at them.  At least it was for him because he left the police no choice other than to return fire or commit "suicide by perpetrator."  And I have no doubt his widow will get paid off.  That's just the way our legal system works and the reason it needs to be reformed.  And I have absolutely no doubt your opinion, and that of every liberal in the country, would be just the opposite if a black man "barged into a house" and was killed by an illegal sawed-off shotgun.  You'd want murder charges filed.  And that's the problem today.  Opinions seem to have nothing to do with right or wrong, just about race.

 

 

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@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

Unless the informant insisted the police not vet the veracity of his information, and demanded the police barge into a house pulling triggers first and identifying the occupants second, I'm not sure how the blame of what went on here goes beyond the police department itself.


Really?  In review, according to the article:

 

1.  The police entered the wrong house.  1 point for the occupants

 

2.  They identified themselves as police.  1 point for the police

 

3.  They were wearing police jackets.  1 point for the police

 

4.  The occupant pulled a saw-off shotgun, which is illegal to own.  1 point for the police 

 

5.  The occupant fired the illegal weapon at the police before they returned fire, killing the occupant. 1 point for the police 

 

Cops win 4 to 1.  Which is usually the case.


We should keep your game in mind when cops get killed by ambush in retribution of killing innocent civilians.  No KILLING is the only win.....justice is the only "win".


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The solution is to abolish police unions.

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@GraysonL320504 wrote:

@BigLib wrote:

Unless the informant insisted the police not vet the veracity of his information, and demanded the police barge into a house pulling triggers first and identifying the occupants second, I'm not sure how the blame of what went on here goes beyond the police department itself.


Really?  In review, according to the article:

 

1.  The police entered the wrong house.  1 point for the occupants

 

2.  They identified themselves as police.  1 point for the police

 

3.  They were wearing police jackets.  1 point for the police

 

4.  The occupant pulled a saw-off shotgun, which is illegal to own.  1 point for the police 

 

5.  The occupant fired the illegal weapon at the police before they returned fire, killing the occupant. 1 point for the police 

 

Cops win 4 to 1.  Which is usually the case.


The police were not there for the sole purpose of seizing the illegal weapon. They actually had no purpose in entering the home, since it was the wrong one. Therefore:

 

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Game. Set. Match.

 

What this turned out to be was a home invasion. His widow will win a settlement. You can bank on it.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (11 pages of lies and growing)
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Unless the informant insisted the police not vet the veracity of his information, and demanded the police barge into a house pulling triggers first and identifying the occupants second, I'm not sure how the blame of what went on here goes beyond the police department itself.


Really?  In review, according to the article:

 

1.  The police entered the wrong house.  1 point for the occupants

 

2.  They identified themselves as police.  1 point for the police

 

3.  They were wearing police jackets.  1 point for the police

 

4.  The occupant pulled a saw-off shotgun, which is illegal to own.  1 point for the police 

 

5.  The occupant fired the illegal weapon at the police before they returned fire, killing the occupant. 1 point for the police 

 

Cops win 4 to 1.  Which is usually the case.

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Unless the informant insisted the police not vet the veracity of his information, and demanded the police barge into a house pulling triggers first and identifying the occupants second, I'm not sure how the blame of what went on here goes beyond the police department itself.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (11 pages of lies and growing)
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