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Make No Mistake - This is peLOSER/socialist shutdown

PeLOSER (Pelosi/Schumer) and the rest of the libtards supported building a wall. Then Trump decided to build it and they all decided it's immoral and unneeded.

 

In 2013 Obama refused to sign Continuing Resolutions to fund the rest of the government unless Obamacare was funded and the left claimed the resulting shutdown was Congress' fault for not giving him the funding he wanted. Trump refuses to sign Continuing Resolutions to fund the rest of the government unless the wall is funded and the left claims the resulting shutdown is Trump's fault for not giving up what he wants.

 

Democrats go on and on and on about how bad Trump is for letting so many people get hurt by the shutdown by not letting go of his demand for a wall. But if they are really that concerned, why don't THEY let go of their opposition to the wall? After all, what they're talking about is nothing more than a rounding error in the federal budget.

 

I too could go on and on and on but let's face facts. The problem with the current shutdown is the two sides have different goals. Trump's goal is to build a wall. You can assign a lot of reasons to why he wants to build a wall, some good and some bad. But the bottom line is he wants to build a wall. And before I hear any the current nonsense about “walls,” I'm using that word to describe a structure of WHATEVER kind along parts of the border. PeLOSER's goal is to cause a shutdown they can, hopefully, blame on Trump to gain political advantage. They've come up with a lot of reasons but none of them make sense, especially since they previously supported a wall.

 

Besides, a defining principle of good management is that you NEVER give someone the responsibility for doing something unless you give them the authority and tools they need to be successful. It's also just common sense. If you give someone a task but don't give him what he needs to do the task you're doing nothing more than setting him up for failure. The Border Patrol has said repeatedly that they need the wall to be successful. They have appeared on TV and there are a great articles and op-eds on the Border Patrol Council (union) web site and elsewhere dating back to before they endorsed Trump for President due to his promise to help them by building a wall. They are the ones who have the responsibility for protecting our borders. They are the boots on the ground. They know far better than the unnamed so-called “experts” who say a wall is not needed. And they want the wall. That alone should be reason enough to build it.

 

And that alone is a good reason enough to NEVER put Democrats in charge of anything let alone the federal government. They obviously don't understand the basic principles of good management.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

Pelousi is not against border security. 

A majority of Americans are against a wall. And a majority blame trump and repubs for the shutdown. 

Why after 2 years of repub control, why is this a emergency now? Just to blame Dems? Or a trump distraction concerning his upcoming legal woes?

I have not seen a poll of all Border Security personnel concerning a wall and the need for it, or perhaps other more effective forms of border security. 

 

Never Forget


It has been a problem acknowledged by all sides for at least a decade. For most of that time there was agreement and efforts to work on it. However, the Dems have pulled a 180 and that creates the emergency - the lack of bipartisanship in dealing with it.


No the Dems asked the Experts to analyse the illegal immigration issue/problem at the Southern Border - they were then given several options/solutions directly related to the many different & specific locations & the Unique Problems associated with each different location & they implemented the ones they decided might be most effective & have the best chance of success

 

Guess What - All not some but ALL of the Available Data reports - that their efforts were more than modestly successful

 

Arrests of Illegal Immigrants Crossing the Border is down 70% since 2000

 

Regarding the Drug Smuggling - Same Process - both are not a One Size Fits All Scenario

 

Again the Experts were consulted - not Pelosi's Gut or anecdotal reports from individuals - but experts on Border Security & Illegal Drug Smuggling

 

Again, the reports indicated - MOST DRUGS COME THROUGH LEGAL PORTS OF ENTRY ON SHIPS - TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCKS - CARS - ETC

 

They asked for more money for Agents & Technology - they got some - not enough

 

Today they are asking again for more money & agents

 

Those are the Facts

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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" - Anonymous

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@rk9152 wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

Pelousi is not against border security. 

A majority of Americans are against a wall. And a majority blame trump and repubs for the shutdown. 

Why after 2 years of repub control, why is this a emergency now? Just to blame Dems? Or a trump distraction concerning his upcoming legal woes?

I have not seen a poll of all Border Security personnel concerning a wall and the need for it, or perhaps other more effective forms of border security. 

 

Never Forget


It has been a problem acknowledged by all sides for at least a decade. For most of that time there was agreement and efforts to work on it. However, the Dems have pulled a 180 and that creates the emergency - the lack of bipartisanship in dealing with it.


The Republicans have never wanted to work on border security. They only mention border security to attack the Democrats and their supporters are too dumb to figure that out.

 

There have been many attempts by the Democrats over the years to work on sensible immigration reform to improve our security but the Republicans refuse to even discuss it.

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A rounding error in the federal budget? That type of thinking is what leads to the ever increasing debt. Again, it’s so easy to spend other people’s money. 

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. Again, it’s so easy to spend other people’s money.

This true. The problem I see is there is no agreement on the way to spend other people's money. I think we should spend for our own country's protection, and for our own country's citizens. There are choices to make and quite frankly I don't think there is enough money to provide for the people coming into this country illegally. We are not a bottomless pocketbook. I never thought I would see the day citizens of the United States would fight for those who hate us rather than fight for those who love this country. No one on this board can make me believe everyone in these caravans who demand money from the U.S. have any intention of doing anything legally. Extortion is a crime. Why would anyone protect a criminal?
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@Soosie wrote:
. Extortion is a crime. Why would anyone protect a criminal?

Then why stand by and watch trump use extortion to try and get his WALL ??????


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@Soosie wrote:
I never thought I would see the day citizens of the United States would fight for those who hate us rather than fight for those who love this country. No one on this board can make me believe everyone in these caravans who demand money from the U.S. have any intention of doing anything legally. Extortion is a crime. Why would anyone protect a criminal?

Demonizing those that are seeking entry into the United States is as far from being an American as one can be. Except for Native Americans, everyone's family tree includes an immigrant.

 

To say that those seeking entry HATE US is not only unfounded but inaccurate.

 

To say they have no intention of doing anything legally is also unfounded and inaccurate.

 

To say they are criminals is again unfounded and inaccurate.

 

It is a shame that INDIVIDUAL-1 and his supporters must resort to demonizing those seeking entry into our beloved country.

 

As was said the other day, the symbol of AMERICA should be THE STATUE OF LIBERTY and NOT a WALL.

 

We should welcome immigrants not DEMONIZE them, @Soosie.

NO! IT'S CONSERVATIVES THAT ARE NUTTIER THAN SQUIRREL POOP!
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@Soosie wrote:
. Again, it’s so easy to spend other people’s money.

This true. The problem I see is there is no agreement on the way to spend other people's money. I think we should spend for our own country's protection, and for our own country's citizens. There are choices to make and quite frankly I don't think there is enough money to provide for the people coming into this country illegally. We are not a bottomless pocketbook. I never thought I would see the day citizens of the United States would fight for those who hate us rather than fight for those who love this country. No one on this board can make me believe everyone in these caravans who demand money from the U.S. have any intention of doing anything legally. Extortion is a crime. Why would anyone protect a criminal?

False dilemma. It’s not either/or. Everyone wants border security. Nobody has proven a wall is the best, cost-effective way to do that.

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False dilemma. It’s not either/or. Everyone wants border security. Nobody has proven a wall is the best, cost-effective way to do that............................................Wouldn't it be great if we had the $150B Obama gave to Iran to build a wall? Once built and tested we would know it would work. There would not be all this guessing about it. I find it hard to imagine judging whether or not something will work before it is done. Let's see, what's that called? Irrational logic comes to mind.
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Soosie:   Wouldn't it be great if we had the $150B Obama gave to Iran to build a wall? 

 

 

Do you mean the money that belonged to Iran that we returned to them?

 

"The 2015 agreement freed up Iranian assets that had been frozen under sanctions. Called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, the deal included Iran and the United States, China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom and the European Union.

The agreement only affected sanctions imposed to punish Iran for its nuclear program. Iran has other assets that remain frozen."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-iran-150-b...

 

 

 

 

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Soosie:   Wouldn't it be great if we had the $150B Obama gave to Iran to build a wall? 

 

 

PANJ-Do you mean the money that belonged to Iran that we returned to them?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yeah that money -the penalty for keeping over 100  American diplomats  hostage  for 444 days .

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@Soosie wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if we had the $150B Obama gave to Iran to build a wall?

Once built and tested we would know it would work. There would not be all this guessing about it. I find it hard to imagine judging whether or not something will work before it is done. Let's see, what's that called? Irrational logic comes to mind.

I am truly amazed how many times activities of President Obama and Candidate Clinton are resurrected by the supporters of INDIVIDUAL-1, even two years into his presidency. The supporters of INDIVIDUAL-1 must feel that this diversion still works.... it doesn't.

 

As to a wall working, there are two points, no wall is impenetrable. People go under, over and through walls.

 

But the most important point is that this wall is being built to supposedly stop THE BAD PEOPLE coming into this country. But there is a problem, THE BAD PEOPLE aren't coming through the places where a wall is planned. They are coming through ports of entry, like airports, harbors, and, of course, official entry points along the present border. THE BAD PEOPLE know MINGLING IN with everyone else is EASIER than SNEAKING into the country. This goes for drug dealers, drug mules, gang members, and others.

 

The wall is a VANITY WALL that INDIVIDUAL-1 sees as a MEMORIAL to his presidency, nothing more nothing less.

NO! IT'S CONSERVATIVES THAT ARE NUTTIER THAN SQUIRREL POOP!
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Soosie.  
Please understand the our immigration system has been broken for decades, and it is up to the Congress and the Senate to deal with tis issue.

They have done nothing in 40 years, they have kicked the ball down the road as much as they can.

There is a lot of fault to go around in both parties.  

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Soosie.
Please understand the our immigration system has been broken for decades, and it is up to the Congress and the Senate to deal with tis issue.

They have done nothing in 40 years, they have kicked the ball down the road as much as they can.

There is a lot of fault to go around in both parties. ...............................................................rker321..........This might be a good post to direct to everyone who posts here.
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