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Trump: I will PROUDLY shut down the federal government over my border wall.

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Nobody has more knowledge about a job than the person doing it and Border Patrol agents are the one guarding our borders.  To try to refute that we get a long-winded tirade about how bad the Teamsters (and unions in general) are.  Same old nonsense straight out of the peLOSER pinhead playbook.  The sad part is that even if the Teamsters leaders are the world's biggest crooks, it doewsn't mean their members don't know more about their jobs than anyone else.  Sadder yet, that's followed by a list of departments affected by the peLOSER shutdown.  And it is the peLOSER pinhead shutdown because it's over a wall that the people doing the job say is needed and even the peLOSER pinheads previously said was needed.  Sad, immaterial arguments all the way around that don't even address the subject.  As I said, straight out of the peLOSER pinhead playbook. 



Well, Actually you produced 2 paragraphs defending the competency of Union Mob Bosses & Unions with some fantasy about the Honor in the Heirarchy blah blah that took up much more physical space than my factual representation

 

I referenced Border Patrol union MEMBERS and you bring Teamster mob bosses into it and then say I'm defending mob bosses. Right out of the peLOSER pinhead playbook. 

 

On your other point - Thats one of the most ridiculous Hypocritical things I've ever heard....................................just because someone is doing a job - they know more about what they are doing than anyone else - Experts included

 

Ha Ha Ha

 

You seem to obsess about the Teamsters so let's try an example using them.  Who knows more about driving a truck, the Teamster truck driver or the Secretary of Transportation?  I'm going with the Teamster truck driver.  Since you've already expressed your hatred of unions we know your pick.  And THAT's the joke, Ha Ha Ha.

  

 

 She's been in Congress since B4 I was Born & shes been elected to arguably the 2nd most powerful position in our Government by her Membership............. Twice!

 

If Pelosi was in Congress before you were born it would make you about 30 years old.  Stop wasting your time on this site and do something productive with your life, son.  Start by getting a job which should be easy since the economy has never been better thanks to President Trump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

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@LeeV999430 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@LeeV999430 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@LeeV999430 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@LeeV999430 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

It appears as if someone who was suspended permanently, keeps coming back to this board under yet another name, to fire off more insults, just as he did a couple of years ago.


It appears you would go to any extreme to avoid an attempt at a rational argument.


I for one am waiting for you to attempt a rational argument.


For the third and last time, below are the arguments,.  Last time because, like I originally said, this is a waste of time.  There is OBVIOUSLY only peLOSER pinheads here who are not capapble of ratiopnal, intelligent discourse.  Only "I for one am waiting blah blah blah."  But not one single post that factual addressed the shutdown.  In summary, this is a site for peLOSER PINHEADS to come and agree with each other about how anyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong.  Have fun dummies.

 

There is one thing and one thing only to be debated. Should a wall be built? If the answer is yes the shutdown is the fault of the peLOSER pinheads regardless of how many idiotic, off-topic arguments are made. And here are the arguments for building it:

 

The peLOSER pinheads supported the wall until Trump became president. That's a simple fact. Their speeches FOR the wall are on tape. Were they lying then or are they lying now?

 

The Border Patrol say it's needed. THEY are the experts. Not you. Not me. Not Trump. Not peLOSER. And not some unknown person who peLOSER pinheads claim knows more than anybody else and is against the wall. They are the ones who are there doing the job.

 

Does it completely solve the problem? Nothing does. But It is one of several things they need to do their job. It has shown to reduce problems where it has been built (El Paso being the prime example) which allows them to direct more resources to other areas.

 


Please Produce One Example Of Where The - "Border Patrol" - said the Wall was needed?

 

The Stooges Trump Paraded Before the Cameras in the Press Briefing Room were mostly the heads of Labor Unions

 

 

Surprise, surprise. Someone on this site actually tried to make a rational argument. Unfortunately, it was no more than the inaccurate talking points from the peLOSER pinheads playbook, like the statements above.

 

You can find the examples you asked for on the Border Patrol union web site. The “stooges” you refer to are Border Patrol agents who were elected by all Border Patrol agents to represent them and if they were not accurately representing them, they would be voted out. That's how unions work and all union members undoubtedly take exception to your anti-union discourse. I remember when back to when democrats actually supported unions. Now it's all about power and they will even slam their base if it thinks it will help them gain political advantage.  That is what got Trump elected.

 

As I originally said:

 

Besides, a defining principle of good management is that you NEVER give someone the responsibility for doing something unless you give them the authority and tools they need to be successful. It's also just common sense. If you give someone a task but don't give him what he needs to do the task you're doing nothing more than setting him up for failure. The Border Patrol has said repeatedly that they need the wall to be successful. They have appeared on TV and there are a great articles and op-eds on the Border Patrol Council (union) web site and elsewhere dating back to before they endorsed Trump for President due to his promise to help them by building a wall. They are the ones who have the responsibility for protecting our borders. They are the boots on the ground. They know far better than the unnamed so-called “experts” who say a wall is not needed. And they want the wall. That alone should be reason enough to build it.

 

And that alone is a good reason enough to NEVER put Democrats in charge of anything let alone the federal government. They obviously don't understand the basic principles of good management.


Heh heh

 

Below is a Partial List of the kinds of Labor the Teamsters Union Represents

 

For Decades Teamster Leadership Stole & Mismanaged their Members Pension Funds but still got re-elected - the Stolen money went right into the Pockets of the Teamster Leadeship & they still got re-elected

 

All across the Country today there are hundreds of thousands of retired Teamsters who aren't getting the level of promised benefits or worse are getting - nothing after twenty - thirty years of work and conributions to the Union and their Health & Pension Funds

 

But as a Former Teamster I can tell you my fellow Buffoons would not listen & the Brotherhood would keep electing the same people over & over simply because they were the Best Carnival - Barkers - no matter how many times their management of contracts & benefits demonstrated  incompetence

 

All across the Country from Teachers to Truck Drivers Union Workers are getting the short end of the stick because of incompetent leadership - just the teachers in LA who have been working with No Contract for 2 years - what kind of management is that - guarantee the same thats been there for decades and keeps getting re-elected

 

WHY?

 

Well mostly for the same reasons the Trump Cult supports Trump regardless of how many times he Lies to them and the American People or his policies hurt them - like right now with the Government Shut-down.......................with the exception of Homeland Security what do all these other people in all these other Agencies have to do with Border Security and why are they being punished?

 

Depts effected by shutdown

 

  • Department of the Treasury
  • Department of Agriculture
  • Homeland Security Department
  • Department of the Interior
  • Department of State
  • Department of Housing and Urban Development
  • Department of Transportation
  • Department of Commerce
  • Department of Justice

 

Before you answer Leverage - Nope because 2/3 of the rest of the Goverment had already received full funding through the end of FY 19

 

WHY? - Trumps Wants - CHAOS - Not Complete Chaos - but just enough to keep this isssue in the News & off of him & Mueller

 

Again, you talk management & keep bringing up CBP - well the CBP Management & the DEA says the Majority of Drugs come through Ports of Entry and every Government Agency says - most illegals do as well

 

TRUMP: “Remember drugs. The drugs are pouring through this country. They don’t go through the ports of entry. When they do, they sometimes get caught.”

 

THE FACTS: The ports of entry are actually the main entry point for illicit drugs at the Southwest border.

 

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, in fiscal 2018 through the end of August, nearly 48,000 pounds of cocaine were seized at the ports of entry, whereas 6,400 pounds were seized by Border Patrol agents at points between the ports.

 

Similar seizure proportions are seen for heroin, methamphetamine and fentanyl.

 

The U.S. Attorney’s Office has said about 80 percent of the fentanyl coming through the Southwest border enters through the San Ysidro and Otay Mesa ports of entry in San Diego.

 

The one exception seems to be marijuana. Last year, 283,000 pounds were seized at the ports, while nearly twice as much was seized by Border Patrol.

 

The Drug Enforcement Administration reported in its annual assessment in November that Mexican drug trafficking organizations most commonly use semis and passenger vehicles to smuggle product through the ports of entry.

 

Teamster Union Represents  

 

Municipal & County Workers

Public Works

  • Sanitation

  • Road Crews

  • Wastewater Treatment Facilities

  • Maintenance Workers

  • Elevator Mechanics

  • Bridge Operators

Public Housing

  • Security Officers

  • Maintenance Workers

  • Skilled Trades

Law Enforcement

  • Housing Police

  • School System Police

  • Police

  • Court System Deputies & Marshals

  • County Jail Employees

  • Juvenile Offenders Counselors  Special Officers

City Hall Clerks & Professional Staff

Court System

  • Clerks

  • City Attorneys

  • Court Reporters

Bus Drivers and Transit Workers

School District

  • Bus Drivers

  • School Custodians & Maintenance Workers

  • Principals

  • Cafeteria & Lunchroom Workers

State Workers

Law Enforcement

  • Correctional Facility Guards & Officers

  • Probation Officers

  • Highway Patrol

  • State Police

Court System

  • Public Defenders

  • Courthouse Support Staff

Prisons

  • Correctional Facility Guards & Officers

  • Cafeteria Workers

  • Cooks

  • Food Service Managers

Transportation

  • Toll Collectors

Health Care (Public & Private)

Nurses

Medical Technicians including

  • X-ray Technologist

  • EEG Technologist

  • EKG Technologist

  • Radiographer Technologist

  • Ultrasound Technologist

  • Nuclear Medicine Technologist

Hospital Technical & Support Services Staff

Hospital Non-Professional Staff

  • Secretaries

  • Nurses Aides

  • Housekeepers

  • Maintenance Workers

  • Cafeteria Workers

  • Cooks

  • Food Service Managers

Emergency Medical Technicians & Paramedics

Medical Transport Drivers

Red Cross Workers

Elderly Care Workers

Drivers for the Mentally Ill and Physically Disabled

Drug & Alcohol Counselors

 

Sources

 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-trump-fact-check-20190104-sto...

 

 


Nobody has more knowledge about a job than the person doing it and Border Patrol agents are the one guarding our borders.  To try to refute that we get a long-winded tirade about how bad the Teamsters (and unions in general) are.  Same old nonsense straight out of the peLOSER pinhead playbook.  The sad part is that even if the Teamsters leaders are the world's biggest crooks, it doewsn't mean their members don't know more about their jobs than anyone else.  Sadder yet, that's followed by a list of departments affected by the peLOSER shutdown.  And it is the peLOSER pinhead shutdown because it's over a wall that the people doing the job say is needed and even the peLOSER pinheads previously said was needed.  Sad, immaterial arguments all the way around that don't even address the subject.  As I said, straight out of the peLOSER pinhead playbook. 



Well, Actually you produced 2 paragraphs defending the competency of Union Mob Bosses & Unions with some fantasy about the Honor in the Heirarchy blah blah that took up much more physical space than my factual representation

 

On your other point - Thats one of the most ridiculous Hypocritical things I've ever heard....................................just because someone is doing a job - they know more about what they are doing than anyone else - Experts included

 

Ha Ha Ha

 

Well if that's truly your belief - you should really layoff with the Pelosi innuendos!

 

 

 She's been in Congress since B4 I was Born & shes been elected to arguably the 2nd most powerful position in our Government by her Membership............. Twice!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@mickstuder wrote:

@LeeV999430 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@LeeV999430 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@LeeV999430 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

It appears as if someone who was suspended permanently, keeps coming back to this board under yet another name, to fire off more insults, just as he did a couple of years ago.


It appears you would go to any extreme to avoid an attempt at a rational argument.


I for one am waiting for you to attempt a rational argument.


For the third and last time, below are the arguments,.  Last time because, like I originally said, this is a waste of time.  There is OBVIOUSLY only peLOSER pinheads here who are not capapble of ratiopnal, intelligent discourse.  Only "I for one am waiting blah blah blah."  But not one single post that factual addressed the shutdown.  In summary, this is a site for peLOSER PINHEADS to come and agree with each other about how anyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong.  Have fun dummies.

 

There is one thing and one thing only to be debated. Should a wall be built? If the answer is yes the shutdown is the fault of the peLOSER pinheads regardless of how many idiotic, off-topic arguments are made. And here are the arguments for building it:

 

The peLOSER pinheads supported the wall until Trump became president. That's a simple fact. Their speeches FOR the wall are on tape. Were they lying then or are they lying now?

 

The Border Patrol say it's needed. THEY are the experts. Not you. Not me. Not Trump. Not peLOSER. And not some unknown person who peLOSER pinheads claim knows more than anybody else and is against the wall. They are the ones who are there doing the job.

 

Does it completely solve the problem? Nothing does. But It is one of several things they need to do their job. It has shown to reduce problems where it has been built (El Paso being the prime example) which allows them to direct more resources to other areas.

 


Please Produce One Example Of Where The - "Border Patrol" - said the Wall was needed?

 

The Stooges Trump Paraded Before the Cameras in the Press Briefing Room were mostly the heads of Labor Unions

 

 

Surprise, surprise. Someone on this site actually tried to make a rational argument. Unfortunately, it was no more than the inaccurate talking points from the peLOSER pinheads playbook, like the statements above.

 

You can find the examples you asked for on the Border Patrol union web site. The “stooges” you refer to are Border Patrol agents who were elected by all Border Patrol agents to represent them and if they were not accurately representing them, they would be voted out. That's how unions work and all union members undoubtedly take exception to your anti-union discourse. I remember when back to when democrats actually supported unions. Now it's all about power and they will even slam their base if it thinks it will help them gain political advantage.  That is what got Trump elected.

 

As I originally said:

 

Besides, a defining principle of good management is that you NEVER give someone the responsibility for doing something unless you give them the authority and tools they need to be successful. It's also just common sense. If you give someone a task but don't give him what he needs to do the task you're doing nothing more than setting him up for failure. The Border Patrol has said repeatedly that they need the wall to be successful. They have appeared on TV and there are a great articles and op-eds on the Border Patrol Council (union) web site and elsewhere dating back to before they endorsed Trump for President due to his promise to help them by building a wall. They are the ones who have the responsibility for protecting our borders. They are the boots on the ground. They know far better than the unnamed so-called “experts” who say a wall is not needed. And they want the wall. That alone should be reason enough to build it.

 

And that alone is a good reason enough to NEVER put Democrats in charge of anything let alone the federal government. They obviously don't understand the basic principles of good management.


Heh heh

 

Below is a Partial List of the kinds of Labor the Teamsters Union Represents

 

For Decades Teamster Leadership Stole & Mismanaged their Members Pension Funds but still got re-elected - the Stolen money went right into the Pockets of the Teamster Leadeship & they still got re-elected

 

All across the Country today there are hundreds of thousands of retired Teamsters who aren't getting the level of promised benefits or worse are getting - nothing after twenty - thirty years of work and conributions to the Union and their Health & Pension Funds

 

But as a Former Teamster I can tell you my fellow Buffoons would not listen & the Brotherhood would keep electing the same people over & over simply because they were the Best Carnival - Barkers - no matter how many times their management of contracts & benefits demonstrated  incompetence

 

All across the Country from Teachers to Truck Drivers Union Workers are getting the short end of the stick because of incompetent leadership - just the teachers in LA who have been working with No Contract for 2 years - what kind of management is that - guarantee the same thats been there for decades and keeps getting re-elected

 

WHY?

 

Well mostly for the same reasons the Trump Cult supports Trump regardless of how many times he Lies to them and the American People or his policies hurt them - like right now with the Government Shut-down.......................with the exception of Homeland Security what do all these other people in all these other Agencies have to do with Border Security and why are they being punished?

 

Depts effected by shutdown

 

  • Department of the Treasury
  • Department of Agriculture
  • Homeland Security Department
  • Department of the Interior
  • Department of State
  • Department of Housing and Urban Development
  • Department of Transportation
  • Department of Commerce
  • Department of Justice

 

Before you answer Leverage - Nope because 2/3 of the rest of the Goverment had already received full funding through the end of FY 19

 

WHY? - Trumps Wants - CHAOS - Not Complete Chaos - but just enough to keep this isssue in the News & off of him & Mueller

 

Again, you talk management & keep bringing up CBP - well the CBP Management & the DEA says the Majority of Drugs come through Ports of Entry and every Government Agency says - most illegals do as well

 

TRUMP: “Remember drugs. The drugs are pouring through this country. They don’t go through the ports of entry. When they do, they sometimes get caught.”

 

THE FACTS: The ports of entry are actually the main entry point for illicit drugs at the Southwest border.

 

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, in fiscal 2018 through the end of August, nearly 48,000 pounds of cocaine were seized at the ports of entry, whereas 6,400 pounds were seized by Border Patrol agents at points between the ports.

 

Similar seizure proportions are seen for heroin, methamphetamine and fentanyl.

 

The U.S. Attorney’s Office has said about 80 percent of the fentanyl coming through the Southwest border enters through the San Ysidro and Otay Mesa ports of entry in San Diego.

 

The one exception seems to be marijuana. Last year, 283,000 pounds were seized at the ports, while nearly twice as much was seized by Border Patrol.

 

The Drug Enforcement Administration reported in its annual assessment in November that Mexican drug trafficking organizations most commonly use semis and passenger vehicles to smuggle product through the ports of entry.

 

Teamster Union Represents  

 

Municipal & County Workers

Public Works

  • Sanitation

  • Road Crews

  • Wastewater Treatment Facilities

  • Maintenance Workers

  • Elevator Mechanics

  • Bridge Operators

Public Housing

  • Security Officers

  • Maintenance Workers

  • Skilled Trades

Law Enforcement

  • Housing Police

  • School System Police

  • Police

  • Court System Deputies & Marshals

  • County Jail Employees

  • Juvenile Offenders Counselors  Special Officers

City Hall Clerks & Professional Staff

Court System

  • Clerks

  • City Attorneys

  • Court Reporters

Bus Drivers and Transit Workers

School District

  • Bus Drivers

  • School Custodians & Maintenance Workers

  • Principals

  • Cafeteria & Lunchroom Workers

State Workers

Law Enforcement

  • Correctional Facility Guards & Officers

  • Probation Officers

  • Highway Patrol

  • State Police

Court System

  • Public Defenders

  • Courthouse Support Staff

Prisons

  • Correctional Facility Guards & Officers

  • Cafeteria Workers

  • Cooks

  • Food Service Managers

Transportation

  • Toll Collectors

Health Care (Public & Private)

Nurses

Medical Technicians including

  • X-ray Technologist

  • EEG Technologist

  • EKG Technologist

  • Radiographer Technologist

  • Ultrasound Technologist

  • Nuclear Medicine Technologist

Hospital Technical & Support Services Staff

Hospital Non-Professional Staff

  • Secretaries

  • Nurses Aides

  • Housekeepers

  • Maintenance Workers

  • Cafeteria Workers

  • Cooks

  • Food Service Managers

Emergency Medical Technicians & Paramedics

Medical Transport Drivers

Red Cross Workers

Elderly Care Workers

Drivers for the Mentally Ill and Physically Disabled

Drug & Alcohol Counselors

 

Sources

 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-trump-fact-check-20190104-sto...

 

 


Nobody has more knowledge about a job than the person doing it and Border Patrol agents are the one guarding our borders.  To try to refute that we get a long-winded tirade about how bad the Teamsters (and unions in general) are.  Same old nonsense straight out of the peLOSER pinhead playbook.  The sad part is that even if the Teamsters leaders are the world's biggest crooks, it doewsn't mean their members don't know more about their jobs than anyone else.  Sadder yet, that's followed by a list of departments affected by the peLOSER shutdown.  And it is the peLOSER pinhead shutdown because it's over a wall that the people doing the job say is needed and even the peLOSER pinheads previously said was needed.  Sad, immaterial arguments all the way around that don't even address the subject.  As I said, straight out of the peLOSER pinhead playbook. 

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@LeeV999430 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@LeeV999430 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@LeeV999430 wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

It appears as if someone who was suspended permanently, keeps coming back to this board under yet another name, to fire off more insults, just as he did a couple of years ago.


It appears you would go to any extreme to avoid an attempt at a rational argument.


I for one am waiting for you to attempt a rational argument.


For the third and last time, below are the arguments,.  Last time because, like I originally said, this is a waste of time.  There is OBVIOUSLY only peLOSER pinheads here who are not capapble of ratiopnal, intelligent discourse.  Only "I for one am waiting blah blah blah."  But not one single post that factual addressed the shutdown.  In summary, this is a site for peLOSER PINHEADS to come and agree with each other about how anyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong.  Have fun dummies.

 

There is one thing and one thing only to be debated. Should a wall be built? If the answer is yes the shutdown is the fault of the peLOSER pinheads regardless of how many idiotic, off-topic arguments are made. And here are the arguments for building it:

 

The peLOSER pinheads supported the wall until Trump became president. That's a simple fact. Their speeches FOR the wall are on tape. Were they lying then or are they lying now?

 

The Border Patrol say it's needed. THEY are the experts. Not you. Not me. Not Trump. Not peLOSER. And not some unknown person who peLOSER pinheads claim knows more than anybody else and is against the wall. They are the ones who are there doing the job.

 

Does it completely solve the problem? Nothing does. But It is one of several things they need to do their job. It has shown to reduce problems where it has been built (El Paso being the prime example) which allows them to direct more resources to other areas.

 


Please Produce One Example Of Where The - "Border Patrol" - said the Wall was needed?

 

The Stooges Trump Paraded Before the Cameras in the Press Briefing Room were mostly the heads of Labor Unions

 

 

Surprise, surprise. Someone on this site actually tried to make a rational argument. Unfortunately, it was no more than the inaccurate talking points from the peLOSER pinheads playbook, like the statements above.

 

You can find the examples you asked for on the Border Patrol union web site. The “stooges” you refer to are Border Patrol agents who were elected by all Border Patrol agents to represent them and if they were not accurately representing them, they would be voted out. That's how unions work and all union members undoubtedly take exception to your anti-union discourse. I remember when back to when democrats actually supported unions. Now it's all about power and they will even slam their base if it thinks it will help them gain political advantage.  That is what got Trump elected.

 

As I originally said:

 

Besides, a defining principle of good management is that you NEVER give someone the responsibility for doing something unless you give them the authority and tools they need to be successful. It's also just common sense. If you give someone a task but don't give him what he needs to do the task you're doing nothing more than setting him up for failure. The Border Patrol has said repeatedly that they need the wall to be successful. They have appeared on TV and there are a great articles and op-eds on the Border Patrol Council (union) web site and elsewhere dating back to before they endorsed Trump for President due to his promise to help them by building a wall. They are the ones who have the responsibility for protecting our borders. They are the boots on the ground. They know far better than the unnamed so-called “experts” who say a wall is not needed. And they want the wall. That alone should be reason enough to build it.

 

And that alone is a good reason enough to NEVER put Democrats in charge of anything let alone the federal government. They obviously don't understand the basic principles of good management.


Heh heh

 

Below is a Partial List of the kinds of Labor the Teamsters Union Represents

 

For Decades Teamster Leadership Stole & Mismanaged their Members Pension Funds but still got re-elected - the Stolen money went right into the Pockets of the Teamster Leadeship & they still got re-elected

 

All across the Country today there are hundreds of thousands of retired Teamsters who aren't getting the level of promised benefits or worse are getting - nothing after twenty - thirty years of work and conributions to the Union and their Health & Pension Funds

 

But as a Former Teamster I can tell you my fellow Buffoons would not listen & the Brotherhood would keep electing the same people over & over simply because they were the Best Carnival - Barkers - no matter how many times their management of contracts & benefits demonstrated  incompetence

 

All across the Country from Teachers to Truck Drivers Union Workers are getting the short end of the stick because of incompetent leadership - just the teachers in LA who have been working with No Contract for 2 years - what kind of management is that - guarantee the same thats been there for decades and keeps getting re-elected

 

WHY?

 

Well mostly for the same reasons the Trump Cult supports Trump regardless of how many times he Lies to them and the American People or his policies hurt them - like right now with the Government Shut-down.......................with the exception of Homeland Security what do all these other people in all these other Agencies have to do with Border Security and why are they being punished?

 

Depts effected by shutdown

 

  • Department of the Treasury
  • Department of Agriculture
  • Homeland Security Department
  • Department of the Interior
  • Department of State
  • Department of Housing and Urban Development
  • Department of Transportation
  • Department of Commerce
  • Department of Justice

 

Before you answer Leverage - Nope because 2/3 of the rest of the Goverment had already received full funding through the end of FY 19

 

WHY? - Trumps Wants - CHAOS - Not Complete Chaos - but just enough to keep this isssue in the News & off of him & Mueller

 

Again, you talk management & keep bringing up CBP - well the CBP Management & the DEA says the Majority of Drugs come through Ports of Entry and every Government Agency says - most illegals do as well

 

TRUMP: “Remember drugs. The drugs are pouring through this country. They don’t go through the ports of entry. When they do, they sometimes get caught.”

 

THE FACTS: The ports of entry are actually the main entry point for illicit drugs at the Southwest border.

 

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, in fiscal 2018 through the end of August, nearly 48,000 pounds of cocaine were seized at the ports of entry, whereas 6,400 pounds were seized by Border Patrol agents at points between the ports.

 

Similar seizure proportions are seen for heroin, methamphetamine and fentanyl.

 

The U.S. Attorney’s Office has said about 80 percent of the fentanyl coming through the Southwest border enters through the San Ysidro and Otay Mesa ports of entry in San Diego.

 

The one exception seems to be marijuana. Last year, 283,000 pounds were seized at the ports, while nearly twice as much was seized by Border Patrol.

 

The Drug Enforcement Administration reported in its annual assessment in November that Mexican drug trafficking organizations most commonly use semis and passenger vehicles to smuggle product through the ports of entry.

 

Teamster Union Represents  

 

Municipal & County Workers

Public Works

  • Sanitation

  • Road Crews

  • Wastewater Treatment Facilities

  • Maintenance Workers

  • Elevator Mechanics

  • Bridge Operators

Public Housing

  • Security Officers

  • Maintenance Workers

  • Skilled Trades

Law Enforcement

  • Housing Police

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

It appears as if someone who was suspended permanently, keeps coming back to this board under yet another name, to fire off more insults, just as he did a couple of years ago.


It appears you would go to any extreme to avoid an attempt at a rational argument.


I for one am waiting for you to attempt a rational argument.


For the third and last time, below are the arguments,.  Last time because, like I originally said, this is a waste of time.  There is OBVIOUSLY only peLOSER pinheads here who are not capapble of ratiopnal, intelligent discourse.  Only "I for one am waiting blah blah blah."  But not one single post that factual addressed the shutdown.  In summary, this is a site for peLOSER PINHEADS to come and agree with each other about how anyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong.  Have fun dummies.

 

There is one thing and one thing only to be debated. Should a wall be built? If the answer is yes the shutdown is the fault of the peLOSER pinheads regardless of how many idiotic, off-topic arguments are made. And here are the arguments for building it:

 

The peLOSER pinheads supported the wall until Trump became president. That's a simple fact. Their speeches FOR the wall are on tape. Were they lying then or are they lying now?

 

The Border Patrol say it's needed. THEY are the experts. Not you. Not me. Not Trump. Not peLOSER. And not some unknown person who peLOSER pinheads claim knows more than anybody else and is against the wall. They are the ones who are there doing the job.

 

Does it completely solve the problem? Nothing does. But It is one of several things they need to do their job. It has shown to reduce problems where it has been built (El Paso being the prime example) which allows them to direct more resources to other areas.

 


Please Produce One Example Of Where The - "Border Patrol" - said the Wall was needed?

 

The Stooges Trump Paraded Before the Cameras in the Press Briefing Room were mostly the heads of Labor Unions

 

 

Surprise, surprise. Someone on this site actually tried to make a rational argument. Unfortunately, it was no more than the inaccurate talking points from the peLOSER pinheads playbook, like the statements above.

 

You can find the examples you asked for on the Border Patrol union web site. The “stooges” you refer to are Border Patrol agents who were elected by all Border Patrol agents to represent them and if they were not accurately representing them, they would be voted out. That's how unions work and all union members undoubtedly take exception to your anti-union discourse. I remember when back to when democrats actually supported unions. Now it's all about power and they will even slam their base if it thinks it will help them gain political advantage.  That is what got Trump elected.

 

As I originally said:

 

Besides, a defining principle of good management is that you NEVER give someone the responsibility for doing something unless you give them the authority and tools they need to be successful. It's also just common sense. If you give someone a task but don't give him what he needs to do the task you're doing nothing more than setting him up for failure. The Border Patrol has said repeatedly that they need the wall to be successful. They have appeared on TV and there are a great articles and op-eds on the Border Patrol Council (union) web site and elsewhere dating back to before they endorsed Trump for President due to his promise to help them by building a wall. They are the ones who have the responsibility for protecting our borders. They are the boots on the ground. They know far better than the unnamed so-called “experts” who say a wall is not needed. And they want the wall. That alone should be reason enough to build it.

 

And that alone is a good reason enough to NEVER put Democrats in charge of anything let alone the federal government. They obviously don't understand the basic principles of good management.

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LeeV999430 posted..

PeLOSER (Pelosi/Schumer) and the rest of the libtards supported building a wall. Then Trump decided to build it and they all decided it's immoral and unneeded.

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That sure sums it up.

It shows that the likes of Pelosi and Schumer are not interested in our security....yet many on the left are brainwashed into the garbage they put out! Read the posts from the left...very telling.


What sums it up is that Dems received millions of more votes then Repugs last November.  MILLIONS!!!  Yet those in the minority will continue to whine.  Some see neanderthal like walls aren't necessary....


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CriticalThinking:  It appears as if someone who was suspended permanently, keeps coming back to this board under yet another name, to fire off more insults, just as he did a couple of years ago. 

 

Ya think? It's like a zebra trying to blend into a herd of deer. Smiley Happy"

 

And the funny thing is he made it abundantly clear that he HATES this AARP site. If he hates it so much, why does he keep coming back again and again under new names?

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CriticalThinking:  It appears as if someone who was suspended permanently, keeps coming back to this board under yet another name, to fire off more insults, just as he did a couple of years ago.

 

 

Ya think? It's like a zebra trying to blend into a herd of deer. Smiley Happy

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Trump: I will PROUDLY SHUT DOWN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT over my wall.

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