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You still have not addressed the fact that the shutdown happened prior to the Democrats taking control of the House and Pelosi the Speaker's gavel. 

 

Trump told McConnell what he would sign, they negotiated under those terms and came to a deal with the Freedom Caucus and the Democrats. Then, Trump threw the Republicans under the bus and they would no longer negotiate with him.  Left it for Pelosi to clean up the mess. 

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@mickstuder

Nice summation! Had not seen that one before. 

And there is the probability that trump is doing this because putin wants it. What better way than to continue the destruction of America. And mcconnell is very complicit with the destruction. Looks like repubs will just sit in their living rooms while the walls of their house are falling down, and not to worry, trump will fix their house!...because he says so!

 

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Soosie.  
Please understand the our immigration system has been broken for decades, and it is up to the Congress and the Senate to deal with tis issue.

They have done nothing in 40 years, they have kicked the ball down the road as much as they can.

There is a lot of fault to go around in both parties.  

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. Again, it’s so easy to spend other people’s money.

This true. The problem I see is there is no agreement on the way to spend other people's money. I think we should spend for our own country's protection, and for our own country's citizens. There are choices to make and quite frankly I don't think there is enough money to provide for the people coming into this country illegally. We are not a bottomless pocketbook. I never thought I would see the day citizens of the United States would fight for those who hate us rather than fight for those who love this country. No one on this board can make me believe everyone in these caravans who demand money from the U.S. have any intention of doing anything legally. Extortion is a crime. Why would anyone protect a criminal?
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@LeeV999430 wrote:

PeLOSER (Pelosi/Schumer) and the rest of the libtards supported building a wall. Then Trump decided to build it and they all decided it's immoral and unneeded.

 

In 2013 Obama refused to sign Continuing Resolutions to fund the rest of the government unless Obamacare was funded and the left claimed the resulting shutdown was Congress' fault for not giving him the funding he wanted. Trump refuses to sign Continuing Resolutions to fund the rest of the government unless the wall is funded and the left claims the resulting shutdown is Trump's fault for not giving up what he wants.

 

Democrats go on and on and on about how bad Trump is for letting so many people get hurt by the shutdown by not letting go of his demand for a wall. But if they are really that concerned, why don't THEY let go of their opposition to the wall? After all, what they're talking about is nothing more than a rounding error in the federal budget.

 

I too could go on and on and on but let's face facts. The problem with the current shutdown is the two sides have different goals. Trump's goal is to build a wall. You can assign a lot of reasons to why he wants to build a wall, some good and some bad. But the bottom line is he wants to build a wall. And before I hear any the current nonsense about “walls,” I'm using that word to describe a structure of WHATEVER kind along parts of the border. PeLOSER's goal is to cause a shutdown they can, hopefully, blame on Trump to gain political advantage. They've come up with a lot of reasons but none of them make sense, especially since they previously supported a wall.

 

Besides, a defining principle of good management is that you NEVER give someone the responsibility for doing something unless you give them the authority and tools they need to be successful. It's also just common sense. If you give someone a task but don't give him what he needs to do the task you're doing nothing more than setting him up for failure. The Border Patrol has said repeatedly that they need the wall to be successful. They have appeared on TV and there are a great articles and op-eds on the Border Patrol Council (union) web site and elsewhere dating back to before they endorsed Trump for President due to his promise to help them by building a wall. They are the ones who have the responsibility for protecting our borders. They are the boots on the ground. They know far better than the unnamed so-called “experts” who say a wall is not needed. And they want the wall. That alone should be reason enough to build it.

 

And that alone is a good reason enough to NEVER put Democrats in charge of anything let alone the federal government. They obviously don't understand the basic principles of good management.


No Problem - I Have This Saved in a Word Document - I got tired of responding to the same argument from different people in different threads - too much typing & obviously a Big Waste of Time - Because Facts Don't Matter To Most of You Folks!

 

The Entire US Government Has Been Under Majority Republican Control for the Last Two Years

 

US Presidency - US House - US Senate - US Supreme Court

 

Why didn't they Build a Wall When they Controlled the Entire US Government for 2 Years?

 

Democrats Didn't Want Kavanaugh or Gorsuch - Guess What Republicans in Congress did & they used the Majority Control of the Entire Congress to get them Confirmed

 

Democrats didn;t want a Tax Break for ONLY the Richest Individuals & the Most Profitable Multi-national Corporations - Guess What Republicans in Congress did & they used the Majority Control of the Entire Congress to get them passed into Law

 

WHY Not the Same Scenario For The Trump Memorial Wall?

 

Simple - Republicans in Congress - the US Tax Payers - Putin & Kim jong un - Do Not Care Anything About a Trump Memorial Wall or it would have been as much as a Priority for them as getting Gorsuch & Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court & Passing a Tax Bill where the Majority of the Benefit went to the Richest Individuals & Largest Most Profitable Corporations

 

What Trump The GOP & the Trump Cult Wanted Was Another - Boogeyman - Clinton is losing her appeal as the Demogogue Du jour so now they can resurrect Pelosi

 

The US Constitution Purposefully provided for the Will of the People to be exercised by Elected Officials - when their are competing Wills - Debate & Compromise is the suggested remedy - Trump refuses to Compromise - it's his Wall - his way or the American People Will Suffer

 

Trump was given money for his Wall twice in the last year alone and it wasn't accepted - he does not want the Wall or would have accepted the 25 Billion already offered

 

What he wants is Chaos in the US Government & He's been enormously successful - it's exited since the day he was inaugurated

 

Why Does He Want Chaos in the US Government

 

IT's Becoming More & More Apparent to the American Public & the World

 

Trump wants Chaos in the US Government because thats what Putin wants

 

Source - micks word document

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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Pelousi is not against border security. 

A majority of Americans are against a wall. And a majority blame trump and repubs for the shutdown. 

Why after 2 years of repub control, why is this a emergency now? Just to blame Dems? Or a trump distraction concerning his upcoming legal woes?

I have not seen a poll of all Border Security personnel concerning a wall and the need for it, or perhaps other more effective forms of border security. 

 

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A rounding error in the federal budget? That type of thinking is what leads to the ever increasing debt. Again, it’s so easy to spend other people’s money. 

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PeLOSER (Pelosi/Schumer) and the rest of the libtards supported building a wall. Then Trump decided to build it and they all decided it's immoral and unneeded.

 

In 2013 Obama refused to sign Continuing Resolutions to fund the rest of the government unless Obamacare was funded and the left claimed the resulting shutdown was Congress' fault for not giving him the funding he wanted. Trump refuses to sign Continuing Resolutions to fund the rest of the government unless the wall is funded and the left claims the resulting shutdown is Trump's fault for not giving up what he wants.

 

Democrats go on and on and on about how bad Trump is for letting so many people get hurt by the shutdown by not letting go of his demand for a wall. But if they are really that concerned, why don't THEY let go of their opposition to the wall? After all, what they're talking about is nothing more than a rounding error in the federal budget.

 

I too could go on and on and on but let's face facts. The problem with the current shutdown is the two sides have different goals. Trump's goal is to build a wall. You can assign a lot of reasons to why he wants to build a wall, some good and some bad. But the bottom line is he wants to build a wall. And before I hear any the current nonsense about “walls,” I'm using that word to describe a structure of WHATEVER kind along parts of the border. PeLOSER's goal is to cause a shutdown they can, hopefully, blame on Trump to gain political advantage. They've come up with a lot of reasons but none of them make sense, especially since they previously supported a wall.

 

Besides, a defining principle of good management is that you NEVER give someone the responsibility for doing something unless you give them the authority and tools they need to be successful. It's also just common sense. If you give someone a task but don't give him what he needs to do the task you're doing nothing more than setting him up for failure. The Border Patrol has said repeatedly that they need the wall to be successful. They have appeared on TV and there are a great articles and op-eds on the Border Patrol Council (union) web site and elsewhere dating back to before they endorsed Trump for President due to his promise to help them by building a wall. They are the ones who have the responsibility for protecting our borders. They are the boots on the ground. They know far better than the unnamed so-called “experts” who say a wall is not needed. And they want the wall. That alone should be reason enough to build it.

 

And that alone is a good reason enough to NEVER put Democrats in charge of anything let alone the federal government. They obviously don't understand the basic principles of good management.

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