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Anyone taken the time to look up the WAIT time to see a doctor or specialist in Canada?

Yep, and they're much better than the wait times for 43 MILLION Americans who have no health insurance. In fact, if you factor in those Americans with no, or inadequate coverage, Canada does much MUCH better than the USA.

 

The Canadians measure time until treatment is COMPLETED, the US only counts the time until the treatment BEGINS, and there's a bunch of other statistical differences that are no problem for the Canadians but provide our GOPers with ill-informed reasons to pretend our system is much better IN TERMS OF WAIT TIMES. But of course if you cannot AFFORD the treatement in America, the wait very often ends in the grave.

 

But bottom line: THERE ARE NO LINES OF CANADIANS WAITING TO CROSS INTO AMERICA TO RECEIVE HEALTH CARE. but there ARE busloads of US seniors traveling to Canada (and Mexico) regularily to receive AFFORDABLE medications.

 

Republicans have given Americans the THIRD BEST HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN NORTH AMERICA! Time to put someone else in charge, doncha think?

 

VOTE OUT THE NRAGOP IN NOVEMBER.

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Anyone taken the time to look up the WAIT time to see a doctor or specialist in Canada?

 

I don't have to look it up. I've been to doctor offices and hospitals in Toronto. I didn't recognize any difference in wait times. In fact, a couple of times the wait times seemed shorter in Canada - at least in Toronto. 

 

 

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

I hope you will not consider this to be "rabid" (actually, it is "truth") but Medicare is a program that people pay into all their working lives and collect on at age 65. How does that relate to you "cradle to the grave" thinking?

 

If you want socialized medicine, say you want socialized medicine. Don't hide behind an existing, successful program that has no connection to what you want


Fine, we will call it the "Universal Health Care Program Modeled after the Canadian System" and then implement it. The good news is that, no matter what we call it, it will save thousands of American lives and prevent much suffering.  


And Cost A Lot Less

 

No Obcene Profit Built In

 

No Obcene Dividend Payments to Shareholders who do nothing

 

No Obcene Administrative Costs built in including Multi-million dollar CEO Salaries

 

 

 

 


IMHO, we'll still have insurance companies, but there is no reason we have to continue to put up with those points you raised. The Germans did it quite nicely - the only way management compensation can be increased is if the company wins a greater market share. The only way they can do that is by offering a superior product or a more reasonable price. Neither of those is a bad thing, but given the track record of our insurance industry over the past 50 years, there will be no pay hikes for a very long time.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

I hope you will not consider this to be "rabid" (actually, it is "truth") but Medicare is a program that people pay into all their working lives and collect on at age 65. How does that relate to you "cradle to the grave" thinking?

 

If you want socialized medicine, say you want socialized medicine. Don't hide behind an existing, successful program that has no connection to what you want


Fine, we will call it the "Universal Health Care Program Modeled after the Canadian System" and then implement it. The good news is that, no matter what we call it, it will save thousands of American lives and prevent much suffering.  


And Cost A Lot Less

 

No Obcene Profit Built In

 

No Obcene Dividend Payments to Shareholders who do nothing

 

No Obcene Administrative Costs built in including Multi-million dollar CEO Salaries

 

 

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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" - Anonymous

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Anyone taken the time to look up the WAIT time to see a doctor or specialist in Canada?
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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

I hope you will not consider this to be "rabid" (actually, it is "truth") but Medicare is a program that people pay into all their working lives and collect on at age 65. How does that relate to you "cradle to the grave" thinking?

 

If you want socialized medicine, say you want socialized medicine. Don't hide behind an existing, successful program that has no connection to what you want


Fine, we will call it the "Universal Health Care Program Modeled after the Canadian System" and then implement it. The good news is that, no matter what we call it, it will save thousands of American lives and prevent much suffering.  


rk delights in using semantics as a replacement for logic. True, Medicare works because it's "pre-paid" all during your working life, and you can't "opt out". But Medicare for all works because it requires no additional money (everyone keeps paying their health insurance, improved efficiency provides the money for 43 million Americans still uninsured) and nobody can "opt out".

 

An additional benefit will be people surviving to be able to collect Medicare will be in much better health and require LESS from the system, and the system will cost LESS because of the efficiencies brought about by Universal coverage single payer.

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@rk9152 wrote:

I hope you will not consider this to be "rabid" (actually, it is "truth") but Medicare is a program that people pay into all their working lives and collect on at age 65. How does that relate to you "cradle to the grave" thinking?

 

If you want socialized medicine, say you want socialized medicine. Don't hide behind an existing, successful program that has no connection to what you want


Fine, we will call it the "Universal Health Care Program Modeled after the Canadian System" and then implement it. The good news is that, no matter what we call it, it will save thousands of American lives and prevent much suffering.  

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

Any time that Medicare for All or any other national single payer health care plan is mentioned, the Right goes rabid in arguing against it, regardless of the statistical comparisons between what we now have and other countries that have national health care plans.


I hope you will not consider this to be "rabid" (actually, it is "truth") but Medicare is a program that people pay into all their working lives and collect on at age 65. How does that relate to you "cradle to the grave" thinking?

 

If you want socialized medicine, say you want socialized medicine. Don't hide behind an existing, successful program that has no connection to what you want.

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Any time that Medicare for All or any other national single payer health care plan is mentioned, the Right goes rabid in arguing against it, regardless of the statistical comparisons between what we now have and other countries that have national health care plans.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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