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@rker321 wrote:

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The number of the bill was in error - it's HR1384, and if you google it, you can find a brief summary and a 10 page version as well as the bill itself.

 

Haven't located how it's funded just yet - seems it would require those currently paying for the insurance to redirect payments to the new Agency who would then pass amounts to the insurer, adjusted for the lower costs resulting from the enormous decrease in overhead from using ONE set of covered services and one set of cost codes from the providers. This revenue stream would include all payments now being made by the Government for coverage under PPACA, Medicare and Medicaid.

 

Overall, looks very promising.


Scout, I am going to read the bill, thanks for providing the correct name. but what you are saying is giving me palpitations. so I will not say is great or not until I have an understnding on how is going to be implemented.

And does it explain the example that I put in the beginning? like the husband is the only worker in the household with a wife and kids. so it will be only him paying into that Medicare for All?  does it say anything about price control on the drugs?  


Yes it does. It calls for wider availability of generics, which would involve stopping the endless renewal of patent protections which should've happened decades ago. It also calls for a standard pricing set by negotiation, with cost of production being a major consideration and if the producer will not agree to a negotiated price, THEIR PATENT PROTECTION GOES AWAY AND WE'LL GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO MAKE THE DRUG!! That last might be a SLIGHT overstatement, but sure sounds like that's the logical path they've finally realized is necessary if we are to ever get drug prices under control.

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Medicare for all sounds like if it ever occurs will be healthcare for none (think VA)! More good doctors will opt out and become concierge doctors for more money and those that stay in the plan will have patients with long wait times and poor service.


If we adopt a single payer heath care plan, doctors can't "opt out" except for cash patients. I have Medicare and an advantage plan. Average wait time, almost all things are covered, no problems and no one refuses it. Sounds like your excuses are just that ............ excuses, and erroneous ones at that.


They always have the option to opt out taking cash instead of Medicare for all. At present, I also have Medicare (Original + Secondary PPO) and you do realize that doctors accept less (from Medicare patients) than those paying cash and BTW, not everyone has Medicare. With everyone having Medicare, you can bet on long lines, poor service, poor medical care, and wishing for change back to the old system.

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Medicare for all sounds like if it ever occurs will be healthcare for none (think VA)! More good doctors will opt out and become concierge doctors for more money and those that stay in the plan will have patients with long wait times and poor service.


My question is whether you think Americans are too stupid to simply copy a program which has been wildly successful in so many other countries OR do you think the Republicans will sabotage the program? 

 

I can't think of any other reason it would not work in America as it does the rest of the developed world. 


Why don't you ask some of those people that come here from Canada for an MRI that takes days to schedule here and 3-6 months in Canada. If you like poor medical service, why not go to the place of your choice?

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@mandm84 wrote:

Well rk9152 , why don't you write to the bills authors and tell them you don't like it's name ?

Wait until they come up with " Pensions For ALL "


They don't need to hear from me. I'm sure they know that they used the fraudulent name as a "sales gimmick".

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Now, do you want to continue this silliness or can we get back to the real world in which one collects Medicare only after they paid into it. The so called "Medicare for all" is not like that.


Looks like Medicare for all will work a little differently than just plain Medicare, eh? Kind of like how Democratic Socialist is different than just plain Socialist. 

 

The right would not be as worked up about the name if there were any substantive arguments against the program itself.  Their problem is that it is providing better health care at lower costs in so many other countries. Tough to argue with success so you get picky about the name. 


You have to pay into it to get it is not a little different.

 

It applies to seniors is not a little different.

 

As to other than the fraud that the name is being used to sell it, this "right" objects to it from the perspective of not wanting the government running healthcare. 

 

Look at the posts about plutocrats and kleptocrats and the rest of the things lobbyists are called running up the cost of things and the high cost of government because of them - and you want 16% of the economy subject to their machinations?

 

And there is the VA - yes, some get great service but remember all the bad service, double book keeping for bonuses.

 

I was a fed for many years and trust me, the free, competitive marketplace is a better deal.

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Well rk9152 , why don't you write to the bills authors and tell them you don't like it's name ?

Wait until they come up with " Pensions For ALL "

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@rk9152 wrote:

Now, do you want to continue this silliness or can we get back to the real world in which one collects Medicare only after they paid into it. The so called "Medicare for all" is not like that.


Looks like Medicare for all will work a little differently than just plain Medicare, eh? Kind of like how Democratic Socialist is different than just plain Socialist. 

 

The right would not be as worked up about the name if there were any substantive arguments against the program itself.  Their problem is that it is providing better health care at lower costs in so many other countries. Tough to argue with success so you get picky about the name. 

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Once again, "Medicare for all" is a dishonest term since it is basically only available to those who paid in - a government funded program is not paid into by 47% of the population. Secondly, Medicare has age requirements - the system being advocated for does not.


"Medicare for All" is a term, a name. No, it is not "dishonest" ............... Read HR 676.

Yes, a term, a dishonest term since it does not describe the realities of Medicare as currently described. Medicare requires paying in.

 

Actually,  it's "dishonest" to say that 47% does not pay into Medicare.

I did not say that. I look forward to your apology upon your rereading of my words.


 


Read the bill, then comment. (what a concept) Medicare for all would be paid for by "paying in".

 

Actually, you did say it    "@rk9152 wrote:

Once again, "Medicare for all" is a dishonest term since it is basically only available to those who paid in - a government funded program is not paid into by 47% of the population.

 

OOPS ............. I guess you are the one that owes an apology.


47% does not pay federal income tax - a true statement and the opposite of "paying in". If you then extend to how tax money is spent you arrive at the phrase that bothers you. Now, is it not a true statement? Hence not what you labeled "dishonest".

 

Now, do you want to continue this silliness or can we get back to the real world in which one collects Medicare only after they paid into it. The so called "Medicare for all" is not like that.

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@mandm84 wrote:

Sorry rker321, but there are not enough Moderate Republicans in the Senate to get any form of Universal Healthcare passed , regardless of any tweaks to this plan.

We need a Progressive Republican like Teddy Roosevelt to straighten out today's GOP and White House.


Or we simply need to get more progressive Democrats in office and give the Democrats the majority in the House and Senate. Say no to Republicans.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Sorry rker321, but there are not enough Moderate Republicans in the Senate to get any form of Universal Healthcare passed , regardless of any tweaks to this plan.

 

It was the great Teddy Roosevelt , who carried a writing in his chest pocket that read " Progressive Cause Greater Than Any Individual ". That writing is said to have helped save his life , when he was shot during an assassination attempt.

 

We need a Progressive Republican like Teddy Roosevelt to straighten out today's GOP and White House.

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