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MEDICARE FOR ALL AND OTHER SUBJECTS

Our general elections are coming in 2020  and there are many issues that we need to really think and get as much knowledge that we can.

Medicare for all.

We need to understand this benefit as it is  today. We all  contribute to this benefit most of our working life. and at least for 40 quarters. We also have to reach the age of 65  inorder to be able to obtain this benefit.

If we accept Medicare for all. How is this benefit going to merge with all the citizens and how any of this will impact Medicare.

I think for example. a father with a wife and children.  the only worker is the husband and he is require to put part of his salary for Medicare. Does that include his wife and children?

If not. How are we going to deal with anything like that?

I truly believe that a National Health Care system tailored to the USA needs is what we should study and implement in this contry but even before we do any of this, we need to do price control on the drugs by the Pharmaceuticals otherwise this system what we cant to call Medicare for All cannot survive.

There are many things that need to happen before we blindly endorse  Medicare for All and think about how is going to be implemented and how it will happen.

Now for another subject.

The border. I heard yesterday on NPR  an interview with a lady from Honduras that is seeking asylum. this is the case.
She came here with her two daughters, one an adult of 18 years old. and herself and a minor daughter.

The 18 years old did not qualified for asylum. the Mother is still at the hearings  process. this is what she claims the reason for wanting asylum,.

She is afraid of violence because she is black and has HIV . she claims discrimination.

My question to  you all, 
Is the fact that she is black and is HIV positive a reason to admit a person and provide asylum?
I would like to see answers to this question and please reasonable responses, this is not a Republican or Democrat issue this is our  present laws and how they are implemented. Remember that anyone can come into the US and claim asylum that is not the question. the question is the reasons that we need to consider in order to provide asylum. 

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@mandm84 wrote:

What will the Democrats ask for next ? Mostly Tax Payer Funded Pensions w/ Cost of Living Increases and Lifetime Medical for all hard working Americans , oh that's right , thats only for the privileged Gov't workers , but that's not Socialism !!


They don't have to call for it - employee compensation packages are and have been quite common for many moons.

 

Is there something you'd like to discuss.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mandm84 wrote:

What will the Democrats ask for next ? Mostly Tax Payer Funded Pensions w/ Cost of Living Increases and Lifetime Medical for all hard working Americans , oh that's right , thats only for the privileged Gov't workers , but that's not Socialism !!


 

As a retired governmnt employee, I certainly don't have life health care.priviledges  As soon as I was 65 they kicked me out of their insurance and I had to apply for Medicare.


 

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

 

As a retired governmnt employee, I certainly don't have life health care.priviledges  As soon as I was 65 they kicked me out of their insurance and I had to apply for Medicare.



I would believe that most government health care programs extended to retirees requires participation in Medicare Part B.  Even then the government program pays what Medicare doesn't.

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I'll address the Medicare for all part of the topic and leave the asylum issue to the laws now in place and who administers them in reference to this lady.

 

NO one has to accept Medicare for all blindly. House bill HR 676 is there for all to read, just Google it. Any bill put forward for  "Medicare For All" can be read. People are lazy and want a very short definition and that just can't be enough to judge on. HR 676, IMO, needs tweaked but it is an excellent starting point for a single payer system.


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The only reason that I mentioned Medicare for all is the fact that I see that too many people simply endorse something that in reality most of us know very little about it.

I will read that HR 670 But  this is not the way to introduce something as important to all of us.

At least, we should be able to see the bullet points of this program to at least learn something about this program. We all know, that most of all Americans will not read that bill and will simply vote  because their preferred candidate tells them is ok.

Now regarding what I wrote about the border.

When I applied for a green card   at that point in time you couldn't have a communicable disease. at that time was tuberculosis. if you had  active tuberculosis they would not accept your application. 
Apparently that has changed I am simply wondering if that is wise decision or not. perhaps some of you have opinions on any of this.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

 

I will read that HR 670 But  this is not the way to introduce something as important to all of us.

 


It is  HR 676 .... not 670.  It has been available to read for a very long time, just google it, it's easy to find.


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Is there anything written that will provide  bullet point for HR675?  Well HR675  from what I saw has nothing to do with Medicare for All 
Is anything written at this point about this?

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Is there anything written that will provide  bullet point for HR675?  Well HR675  from what I saw has nothing to do with Medicare for All 
Is anything written at this point about this?


It is HR 676.   You have called it HR 670 and HR 675, neither are the bill I refer to. Again ........... it is HR 676


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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Is there anything written that will provide  bullet point for HR675?  Well HR675  from what I saw has nothing to do with Medicare for All 
Is anything written at this point about this?


The number of the bill was in error - it's HR1384, and if you google it, you can find a brief summary and a 10 page version as well as the bill itself.

 

Haven't located how it's funded just yet - seems it would require those currently paying for the insurance to redirect payments to the new Agency who would then pass amounts to the insurer, adjusted for the lower costs resulting from the enormous decrease in overhead from using ONE set of covered services and one set of cost codes from the providers. This revenue stream would include all payments now being made by the Government for coverage under PPACA, Medicare and Medicaid.

 

Overall, looks very promising.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

Is there anything written that will provide  bullet point for HR675?  Well HR675  from what I saw has nothing to do with Medicare for All 
Is anything written at this point about this?


The number of the bill was in error - it's HR1384, and if you google it, you can find a brief summary and a 10 page version as well as the bill itself.


No ........... I posted nothing "in error", I orignally posted HR 676,  rk321 read it wrong.  This is from the 11th and 113th Congress.  You can find HR 676 (Medicare for all) in it's entirety,  but here is the summary of HR 676:

 

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr676/summary


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The number of the bill was in error - it's HR1384, and if you google it, you can find a brief summary and a 10 page version as well as the bill itself.

 

Haven't located how it's funded just yet - seems it would require those currently paying for the insurance to redirect payments to the new Agency who would then pass amounts to the insurer, adjusted for the lower costs resulting from the enormous decrease in overhead from using ONE set of covered services and one set of cost codes from the providers. This revenue stream would include all payments now being made by the Government for coverage under PPACA, Medicare and Medicaid.

 

Overall, looks very promising.


Scout, I am going to read the bill, thanks for providing the correct name. but what you are saying is giving me palpitations. so I will not say is great or not until I have an understnding on how is going to be implemented.

And does it explain the example that I put in the beginning? like the husband is the only worker in the household with a wife and kids. so it will be only him paying into that Medicare for All?  does it say anything about price control on the drugs?  

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:


The number of the bill was in error - it's HR1384, and if you google it, you can find a brief summary and a 10 page version as well as the bill itself.

 

Haven't located how it's funded just yet - seems it would require those currently paying for the insurance to redirect payments to the new Agency who would then pass amounts to the insurer, adjusted for the lower costs resulting from the enormous decrease in overhead from using ONE set of covered services and one set of cost codes from the providers. This revenue stream would include all payments now being made by the Government for coverage under PPACA, Medicare and Medicaid.

 

Overall, looks very promising.


Scout, I am going to read the bill, thanks for providing the correct name. but what you are saying is giving me palpitations. so I will not say is great or not until I have an understnding on how is going to be implemented.

And does it explain the example that I put in the beginning? like the husband is the only worker in the household with a wife and kids. so it will be only him paying into that Medicare for All?  does it say anything about price control on the drugs?  


Yes it does. It calls for wider availability of generics, which would involve stopping the endless renewal of patent protections which should've happened decades ago. It also calls for a standard pricing set by negotiation, with cost of production being a major consideration and if the producer will not agree to a negotiated price, THEIR PATENT PROTECTION GOES AWAY AND WE'LL GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO MAKE THE DRUG!! That last might be a SLIGHT overstatement, but sure sounds like that's the logical path they've finally realized is necessary if we are to ever get drug prices under control.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:


Scout, I am going to read the bill, thanks for providing the correct name.


You misread my first post on HR 676.  Here is a link to HR 676 from the 111th Congress, it is a summary of the bill:

 

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr676/summary


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Thanks Chas. Wouldn't this be something !!

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Sorry guys, that bill is giving me palpitations.  I still haven't found out as to how they plan to implement it and  how is going to impact today's beneficiaries.

For what I read in the summary, is a fantasy land type of bill  and not   even as good ad Obamacare. 

I realize that I may have to read a lot more but for the time being. NO WAY JOSe.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Sorry guys, that bill is giving me palpitations.  I still haven't found out as to how they plan to implement it and  how is going to impact today's beneficiaries.

For what I read in the summary, is a fantasy land type of bill  and not   even as good ad Obamacare. 

I realize that I may have to read a lot more but for the time being. NO WAY JOSe.


You should really read the entire bill before you make such a judgement.  Contempt prior to investigation.

 

And regardless, HR 676 is like any other bill, as written, it is a starting point and it isn't final until it is amended and made acceptable to all, it's the way our legislature works. You do know that, don't you?


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

Sorry guys, that bill is giving me palpitations.  I still haven't found out as to how they plan to implement it and  how is going to impact today's beneficiaries.

For what I read in the summary, is a fantasy land type of bill  and not   even as good ad Obamacare. 

I realize that I may have to read a lot more but for the time being. NO WAY JOSe.


You should really read the entire bill before you make such a judgement.  Contempt prior to investigation.  Is that like "we have to read the bill to know what's in it"?  Please send this to Nanny Pelosi, too.

 

And regardless, HR 676 is like any other bill, as written, it is a starting point and it isn't final until it is amended and made acceptable to all, it's the way our legislature works. cc Nanny Pelosi on this, too.  You do know that, don't you?  


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