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Unfortunately, from this article it appears that he can pardon M. if found guilty in the next trial.  I've been confused about pardons and still am a bit.

 

 


The President can pardon those convicted of federal crimes. He cannot pardon those convicted of state crimes.

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Manafort verdict:

  • 5 counts tax fraud: Guilty
  • 2 counts bank fraud: Guilty
  • 1 count failure to disclose foreign bank account: Guilty
  • 10 counts: Jury unable to reach consensus

 


Classic charges of which Al Capone was convicted and sentenced.


I had never thought of comparing Manaford to Capone.  I suppose there is a certain similarity.  Would that make Trump Dillinger? 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

Manafort verdict:

  • 5 counts tax fraud: Guilty
  • 2 counts bank fraud: Guilty
  • 1 count failure to disclose foreign bank account: Guilty
  • 10 counts: Jury unable to reach consensus

 


Classic charges of which Al Capone was convicted and sentenced.


“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”. . . FDR
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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Manafort verdict:

  • 5 counts tax fraud: Guilty
  • 2 counts bank fraud: Guilty
  • 1 count failure to disclose foreign bank account: Guilty
  • 10 counts: Jury unable to reach consensus

 No word on how many charges the State of New York will bring if Trump's pardon slithers thru - those will be things Trump cannot pardon.


Unfortunately, from this article it appears that he can pardon M. if found guilty in the next trial.  I've been confused about pardons and still am a bit.

 

Trump Could Pardon Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen. But Would He?

.....The president’s power, however, extends only to federal charges. If a state attorney general or a county or other prosecutor were to bring charges and win a conviction—one affirmed in appeals, if any—Trump has no ability to pardon or commute.

 

So far, no such charges have been brought at other than a federal level.

The New York attorney general has at times been seen as somewhat of an ace in the hole if Trump pardoned associates convicted of federal crimes as many alleged activities took place in New York State or involved financial transactions in New York, and some state laws could apply. However, New York has a double-jeopardy statute that prevents someone tried on federal charges from being tried again on the same charges in state court.

http://fortune.com/2018/08/21/trump-could-pardon-paul-manafort-michael-cohen/

 

Continuing the good news (pardons or not)

Mueller's team has 3 times the evidence for Paul Manafort's next trial than his current trial

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/16/app-politics-section/mueller-manafort-evidence-next-trial/index.html

 

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Well, his defense was "nobody could be THIS stupid".  I guess the jury thought otherwise.  I wonder if that will be Team Trump's defense?

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Manafort verdict:

  • 5 counts tax fraud: Guilty
  • 2 counts bank fraud: Guilty
  • 1 count failure to disclose foreign bank account: Guilty
  • 10 counts: Jury unable to reach consensus


Trump's campaign manager didn't have any real defense to the charges brought against him, and is reported to be relying on a pardon from Der Trumper to avoid spending the next 8 to 10 years in the House of Many Doors.

 

No word on how many charges the State of New York will bring if Trump's pardon slithers thru - those will be things Trump cannot pardon.

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