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Liberals refuse to see themselves as hypocrites

Too often the pseudo title of "peaceful protesters" is portrayed by the media while the camera shows attacks on free speech. Not only are the attacks printed and verbal, but increasingly physicial attacks. 

 

Washington Post;

For too long, the liberal left has been hiding behind a guise of compassion and inclusivity. They claim to care about the forgotten man and pretend to have tolerance for people of all backgrounds, races, religions and political beliefs. Yet, time and time again, their actions prove otherwise.

 

The camera doesn't lie but liberals do. Do anything to anyone who dares disagree. Attack-attack-attack.  To put it crudely, it is no longer clear what liberalism means. Through madern times Freedom has traditionally been the creedo of liberals. However there is good freedom and bad freedom. The good... was to enhance the positive freedom of the dispossessed. However... the bad interwoven into their fabric. Liberals are increasinly ignoring the common good and enbrassing the exploitation others. 

 

Look at how those who are judged by liberals and what liberals produce today. A vile list of malignant words meant to intimidate and smear good people. It's a "machine gun" vocabulary that indiscriminately hits everyone but with intended result... to verbally mame. The fruit of liberalism is what? I'm at a loss if  anything good is produced. Apparently the American voter thinks the same way.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:


More loose assumptions about others. I can speak for myself ......... I have been against using the Electoral College over the popular vote since the late 1960s, even before I could vote. I will assume there are others here who have felt the same way for decades.


To use one of another poster's favorite expressions::: Really??  But you waited until Hillary lost the election to come out about being against it?  (insert your comment about my bringing up Hillary here)

 

 

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:


More loose assumptions about others. I can speak for myself ......... I have been against using the Electoral College over the popular vote since the late 1960s, even before I could vote. I will assume there are others here who have felt the same way for decades.


To use one of another poster's favorite expressions::: Really??  But you waited until Hillary lost the election to come out about being against it?  (insert your comment about my bringing up Hillary here)

 

 


Yes , "really".  I didn't "wait " for anything, as I said, I have supported going to the popular vote instead of the electoral vote since high school. Yes I was one of those rare kids who became very interested in politics thanks to an enlightened economics teacher in high school. There were many back then that thought the popular vote would better reflect what the majority of people wanted in the White House. Sorry you weren't aware of that.

 


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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@easyed598 wrote:

 

The electoral college worked for Bill Clinton and Obama twice so can`t understand all the  Democrat whining now.


They can't be honest about why this has been argued about.....Hillary lost and they can't get over it.  This was her time to be President....she was promised back in 2008 by Obama, and the fix was in....and she smoozed with the big money and neglected the voters.  

 

 


So when you don't like what somebody has to say, you simply dismiss them as a liberal liar?  I gave you my reasons, if you don't agree them you have that is your right, you DO NOT have the right to question my motives, that is simply either obstinance or narrow-mindedness.  I don't know how much clearer I could have been as to why the Electoral College needs to go away and it was nothing about the last election.

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@sp362 wrote:


So when you don't like what somebody has to say, you simply dismiss them as a liberal liar?  I gave you my reasons, if you don't agree them you have that is your right, you DO NOT have the right to question my motives, that is simply either obstinance or narrow-mindedness.  I don't know how much clearer I could have been as to why the Electoral College needs to go away and it was nothing about the last election.



I don't have the right to question to question you?  But apparently you have the right to question me?

 

And haven't you been questioning my opinion, but I haven't the right to be questioning yours?  Are you sure your labels don't apply to you if that is so?

 

Yes, you have explained your opinion on the elctoral college but called mine erroneous but have danced around the reason my posts regarding the origins.  Narrowminded?


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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@sp362 wrote:


So when you don't like what somebody has to say, you simply dismiss them as a liberal liar?  I gave you my reasons, if you don't agree them you have that is your right, you DO NOT have the right to question my motives, that is simply either obstinance or narrow-mindedness.  I don't know how much clearer I could have been as to why the Electoral College needs to go away and it was nothing about the last election.



I don't have the right to question to question you?  But apparently you have the right to question me?

 

And haven't you been questioning my opinion, but I haven't the right to be questioning yours?  Are you sure your labels don't apply to you if that is so?

 

Yes, you have explained your opinion on the elctoral college but called mine erroneous but have danced around the reason my posts regarding the origins.  Narrowminded?



I will type real slow, what you did was call me a liar.  So, yes I do have the right to question that statement.  No I was not questioning your opinion, I said I disagreed with it, I did not call you a liar for having it.  We have NOT danced around on origins, (that is another insult you keep throwing at me).  So yes, you seem to be  just angry and obstinate just for the sake of it.

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@sp362 wrote:



I will type real slow, what you did was call me a liar.  So, yes I do have the right to question that statement.  No I was not questioning your opinion, I said I disagreed with it, I did not call you a liar for having it.  We have NOT danced around on origins, (that is another insult you keep throwing at me).  So yes, you seem to be  just angry and obstinate just for the sake of it.



You can type as slow as you want Pardner.... I have as much right as you to question your opinion.  And yes, I did ask that you prove me wrong about the reasons for the electoral system, with sources, but you have consistently ignored that. 

 

I'm not angry, but you seem to be getting a little hot under the collar.  So can you either answer or terminate this discussion with me?  Thank you.


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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@sp362 wrote:



I will type real slow, what you did was call me a liar.  So, yes I do have the right to question that statement.  No I was not questioning your opinion, I said I disagreed with it, I did not call you a liar for having it.  We have NOT danced around on origins, (that is another insult you keep throwing at me).  So yes, you seem to be  just angry and obstinate just for the sake of it.



You can type as slow as you want Pardner.... I have as much right as you to question your opinion.  And yes, I did ask that you prove me wrong about the reasons for the electoral system, with sources, but you have consistently ignored that. 

 

I'm not angry, but you seem to be getting a little hot under the collar.  So can you either answer or terminate this discussion with me?  Thank you.



Of course another LIE on your part.  As I have repeatedly said, I have NOT questioned the origins of the Electoral College and I am sorry you are incapable of understanding that was not what the discussion was about.  So you have a right to question my opinion, not to call me a liar (especially since I pointed out several times you were actually insulting me) and I have the same right to believe what I want to believe about you.  I am not going to respond to you anymore in this thread, as I said earlier as an analogy, I am tired of trying to explain Algebra to somebody who doesn't understand basic math.

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TX.... for the win! LOL sp362 Refused to answer.... the bell.


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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
TX.... for the win! LOL sp362 Refused to answer.... the bell.


I refuse to engage with somebody who simply insists black is white.  Here's a math question fishslayer, do you understand that half of American's are less intelligent than average?

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@sp362 wrote:


I refuse to engage with somebody who simply insists black is white.  Here's a math question fishslayer, do you understand that half of American's are less intelligent than average?


You seem to be more interested in math than the topic of discussion........

 

And you are saying that half of American's are less intelligent than average?  Wouldn't that figure if based on mathematical averages?  Of course there is a median figure. 

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@sp362 wrote:


I am tired of trying to explain Algebra to somebody who doesn't understand basic math.

I have already answered that several times, we are not discussing Algebra nor math.  And yes, you questioned my posts about the origins of the electoral system. 

 

It is apparent that you don't want a discussion, but an argument.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The question is: why do liberals call themselves conservative??????????????


Actually, I could ask the same question as to why EXTREMISTS believe anybody who is not FAR right is liberal?  Just because I will not goose-step does not mean I am a liberal, it means I have the ability to think.


Forget goose stepping, if your views are extremely to the left of the center, you are liberal to the extreme.  That is YOUR views!  One that thinks the Constitution is a living document (or what you would consider a Progressive document) that needs to keep pace with the times, is by definition a liberal.  Your views on electoral votes are way to the left of center, therefore you are a liberal.


It is all in your perspective.  As an example, Fascists will see Conservatives as "liberal".  Communists will see Liberals as "conservative".  You can decide where you fall on that scale.  I know I have my own opinion of where you are.

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@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The question is: why do liberals call themselves conservative??????????????


Actually, I could ask the same question as to why EXTREMISTS believe anybody who is not FAR right is liberal?  Just because I will not goose-step does not mean I am a liberal, it means I have the ability to think.


Forget goose stepping, if your views are extremely to the left of the center, you are liberal to the extreme.  That is YOUR views!  One that thinks the Constitution is a living document (or what you would consider a Progressive document) that needs to keep pace with the times, is by definition a liberal.  Your views on electoral votes are way to the left of center, therefore you are a liberal.


It is all in your perspective.  As an example, Fascists will see Conservatives as "liberal".  Communists will see Liberals as "conservative".  You can decide where you fall on that scale.  I know I have my own opinion of where you are.


And I know exactly where you fall as do ALL the real Conservative posters that are reading this and it is very liberal.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The question is: why do liberals call themselves conservative??????????????


Actually, I could ask the same question as to why EXTREMISTS believe anybody who is not FAR right is liberal?  Just because I will not goose-step does not mean I am a liberal, it means I have the ability to think.


Forget goose stepping, if your views are extremely to the left of the center, you are liberal to the extreme.  That is YOUR views!  One that thinks the Constitution is a living document (or what you would consider a Progressive document) that needs to keep pace with the times, is by definition a liberal.  Your views on electoral votes are way to the left of center, therefore you are a liberal.


It is all in your perspective.  As an example, Fascists will see Conservatives as "liberal".  Communists will see Liberals as "conservative".  You can decide where you fall on that scale.  I know I have my own opinion of where you are.


And I know exactly where you fall as do ALL the real Conservative posters that are reading this and it is very liberal.


Real Conservative posters do not have to call everyone who has a disagreement with them 'very liberal'. Real Conservatives support honest government not dictators.

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The question is: why do liberals call themselves conservative??????????????


Actually, I could ask the same question as to why EXTREMISTS believe anybody who is not FAR right is liberal?  Just because I will not goose-step does not mean I am a liberal, it means I have the ability to think.


Forget goose stepping, if your views are extremely to the left of the center, you are liberal to the extreme.  That is YOUR views!  One that thinks the Constitution is a living document (or what you would consider a Progressive document) that needs to keep pace with the times, is by definition a liberal.  Your views on electoral votes are way to the left of center, therefore you are a liberal.


It is all in your perspective.  As an example, Fascists will see Conservatives as "liberal".  Communists will see Liberals as "conservative".  You can decide where you fall on that scale.  I know I have my own opinion of where you are.


And I know exactly where you fall as do ALL the real Conservative posters that are reading this and it is very liberal.


Real Conservative posters do not have to call everyone who has a disagreement with them 'very liberal'. Real Conservatives support honest government not dictators.


So you now support Trump?

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The question is: why do liberals call themselves conservative??????????????


Actually, I could ask the same question as to why EXTREMISTS believe anybody who is not FAR right is liberal?  Just because I will not goose-step does not mean I am a liberal, it means I have the ability to think.


Forget goose stepping, if your views are extremely to the left of the center, you are liberal to the extreme.  That is YOUR views!  One that thinks the Constitution is a living document (or what you would consider a Progressive document) that needs to keep pace with the times, is by definition a liberal.  Your views on electoral votes are way to the left of center, therefore you are a liberal.


It is all in your perspective.  As an example, Fascists will see Conservatives as "liberal".  Communists will see Liberals as "conservative".  You can decide where you fall on that scale.  I know I have my own opinion of where you are.


And I know exactly where you fall as do ALL the real Conservative posters that are reading this and it is very liberal.


Real Conservative posters do not have to call everyone who has a disagreement with them 'very liberal'. Real Conservatives support honest government not dictators.


So you now support Trump?


"Honest government" and "Trump" are opposites.


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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The question is: why do liberals call themselves conservative??????????????


Actually, I could ask the same question as to why EXTREMISTS believe anybody who is not FAR right is liberal?  Just because I will not goose-step does not mean I am a liberal, it means I have the ability to think.


Forget goose stepping, if your views are extremely to the left of the center, you are liberal to the extreme.  That is YOUR views!  One that thinks the Constitution is a living document (or what you would consider a Progressive document) that needs to keep pace with the times, is by definition a liberal.  Your views on electoral votes are way to the left of center, therefore you are a liberal.


It is all in your perspective.  As an example, Fascists will see Conservatives as "liberal".  Communists will see Liberals as "conservative".  You can decide where you fall on that scale.  I know I have my own opinion of where you are.


And I know exactly where you fall as do ALL the real Conservative posters that are reading this and it is very liberal.


Real Conservative posters do not have to call everyone who has a disagreement with them 'very liberal'. Real Conservatives support honest government not dictators.


So you now support Trump?


That is why I will never support Trump.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The question is: why do liberals call themselves conservative??????????????


Actually, I could ask the same question as to why EXTREMISTS believe anybody who is not FAR right is liberal?  Just because I will not goose-step does not mean I am a liberal, it means I have the ability to think.


Forget goose stepping, if your views are extremely to the left of the center, you are liberal to the extreme.  That is YOUR views!  One that thinks the Constitution is a living document (or what you would consider a Progressive document) that needs to keep pace with the times, is by definition a liberal.  Your views on electoral votes are way to the left of center, therefore you are a liberal.


It is all in your perspective.  As an example, Fascists will see Conservatives as "liberal".  Communists will see Liberals as "conservative".  You can decide where you fall on that scale.  I know I have my own opinion of where you are.


And I know exactly where you fall as do ALL the real Conservative posters that are reading this and it is very liberal.


Sorry, but I believe a REAL Conservative is against Fascism and Totalitarianism.

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@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The question is: why do liberals call themselves conservative??????????????


Actually, I could ask the same question as to why EXTREMISTS believe anybody who is not FAR right is liberal?  Just because I will not goose-step does not mean I am a liberal, it means I have the ability to think.


Forget goose stepping, if your views are extremely to the left of the center, you are liberal to the extreme.  That is YOUR views!  One that thinks the Constitution is a living document (or what you would consider a Progressive document) that needs to keep pace with the times, is by definition a liberal.  Your views on electoral votes are way to the left of center, therefore you are a liberal.


It is all in your perspective.  As an example, Fascists will see Conservatives as "liberal".  Communists will see Liberals as "conservative".  You can decide where you fall on that scale.  I know I have my own opinion of where you are.


And I know exactly where you fall as do ALL the real Conservative posters that are reading this and it is very liberal.


Sorry, but I believe a REAL Conservative is against Fascism and Totalitarianism.


Yes they are but they share many other characteristics, none of which you possess:

 

Bear in mind that what follows aren't my definitions of conservatism, but what various Americans mean when they use the word.  

  1. An aversion to rapid change; a belief that tradition and prevailing social norms often contain within them handed down wisdom; and mistrust of attempts to remake society so that it conforms to an abstract account of what would be just or efficient.  
  2. A desire to preserve the political philosophy and rules of government articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.
  3. A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, through cultural norms. 
  4. A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, using cultural norms and the power of the state.
  5. An embrace of free-market capitalism, and a belief in the legitimacy of market outcomes. 
  6. A belief that America is an exceptional nation, a shining city on a hill, whose rightful role is leader of the free world.
  7. A belief that America should export its brand of democracy through force of arms.
  8. The conviction that government should undertake, on behalf of the American polity, grand projects that advance our "national greatness" and ennoble our characters.
  9. An embrace of localism, community and family ties, human scale, and a responsibility to the future.
  10. A belief that America shouldn't intervene in the affairs of other nations except to defend ourselves from aggression and enforce contracts and treaties.
  11. A desire to return to the way things once were.
  12. Affinity for, identification with, or embrace of Red America's various cultural cues. (For example, gun ownership, a preference for single-family homes oriented around highways rather than urban enclaves organized around public transit, embrace of country music, disdain for arugula and fancy mustard, etc.)
  13. Disdain for American liberalism, multiculturalism, identity politics, affirmative action, welfare, European-style social policies, and the left and its ideas generally.
  14. A desire to be left alone by government, often coupled with a belief that being left alone is a natural right. 
  15. A principled belief in federalism.
  16. The belief that taxes should be lower and government smaller.
  17. The belief that the national debt and deficits put America in peril.
  18. The belief that whenever possible, government budgets should be balanced.
  19. Consciousness of the fallibility of man, and an awareness of the value of skepticism, doubt and humility.
  20. Realism in foreign policy.
  21. Non-interventionism in foreign policy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/what-americans-mean-when-they-say-theyre-conser...

 

And I'll add the 22nd.  The belief that the climate changes, has done so since the creation of the Earth, will continue to do so, and yes man does through his own have an impact on that climate, and no matter how hard the left tries - they will be unable to undo mother nature.

 

PS- I personally disagree with #7.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

Yes they are but they share many other characteristics, none of which you possess:

 

Bear in mind that what follows aren't my definitions of conservatism, but what various Americans mean when they use the word.  

  1. An aversion to rapid change; a belief that tradition and prevailing social norms often contain within them handed down wisdom; and mistrust of attempts to remake society so that it conforms to an abstract account of what would be just or efficient.  Support for racial, sexual and religious persecution.
  2. A desire to preserve the political philosophy and rules of government articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.but not the Amendments, especially the ones that freed the slaves or created the income tax
  3. A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, through cultural norms. Mindless hatred of LBGTQ, supported by personal belief, not fact.
  4. A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, using cultural norms and the power of the state.
  5. An embrace of free-market capitalism, and a belief in the legitimacy of market outcomes. Oligarchy
  6. A belief that America is an exceptional nation, a shining city on a hill, whose rightful role is leader of the free world.True, but that requires we occupy the moral high ground, not the swamp Leomotop has pushed us into.
  7. A belief that America should export its brand of democracy through force of arms.
  8. The conviction that government should undertake, on behalf of the American polity, grand projects that advance our "national greatness" and ennoble our characters.True, but you cannot do that without repealing the Reagan Taxscam
  9. An embrace of localism, community and family ties, human scale, and a responsibility to the future.Perfect argument to reestablish and expand Revenue Sharing
  10. A belief that America shouldn't intervene in the affairs of other nations except to defend ourselves from aggression and enforce contracts and treaties.Good, but a lie so long as you support jrbush's two totally unnecessary (by these conditions) Wars
  11. A desire to return to the way things once were.Okay if it was a return to 1964 and not 1854
  12. Affinity for, identification with, or embrace of Red America's various cultural cues. (For example, gun ownership, a preference for single-family homes oriented around highways rather than urban enclaves organized around public transit, embrace of country music, disdain for arugula and fancy mustard, etc.)Sillyness and dogwhistles.
  13. Disdain for American liberalism, multiculturalism, identity politics, affirmative action, welfare, European-style social policies, and the left and its ideas generally.Despite the fact all those things work better than what we've devolved into
  14. A desire to be left alone by government, often coupled with a belief that being left alone is a natural right. See if all those GOPers along the Texas coast agree
  15. A principled belief in federalism.Stealth States Rights
  16. The belief that taxes should be lower and government smaller.But lowering the taxes for the rich have raised them for the 99% and counting contractors, there's more people working for the federal government now than there were in 1970
  17. The belief that the national debt and deficits put America in peril.Inability to understand economics above the family level
  18. The belief that whenever possible, government budgets should be balanced.Not why we have Gopernments
  19. Consciousness of the fallibility of man, and an awareness of the value of skepticism, doubt and humility.Okay
  20. Realism in foreign policy.Can't with a Republican President
  21. Non-interventionism in foreign policy. see #20

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/what-americans-mean-when-they-say-theyre-conser...

 

And I'll add the 22nd.  The belief that the climate changes, has done so since the creation of the Earth, will continue to do so, and yes man does through his own have an impact on that climate, and no matter how hard the left tries - they will be unable to undo mother nature.

 

PS- I personally disagree with #7.


 

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