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Olderscout wrote-This hasnothing to do with "National Security" simply because these people never posed and never will pose a threat to our country.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This has been proven false,because not all illegals are  farm workers,or construction workers etc. Many are bad people who bring drugs and other criminal activities. If these people want to temporarily work in this country they should go through the legal means of doing it. Of course the Libs can`t comprehend this.

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Decent honest, honorable and patriotic American Citizens find Putin's lemontop butt-boi appalling.

Thanks for the lies - but I still agree with Robert De Niro.

I was saying that about trump ten years before Putin boogered the election in favor of his "useful idiot"...

 

 

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Laura seems to forget that prior to jr's misguided attempt to "close the border" virtually all the Mexican workers who came to harvest our crops returned home after the harvest and there was no "illegal immigrant problem". But when jr threatened to end the ability of those workers to move back and forth across the border, they just decided to stay where the work was, and Shazam, we had 10 million undocumented workers among us.

 

This hasnothing to do with "National Security" simply because these people never posed and never will pose a threat to our country.

 

The Republicans have simply kept telling a lie so long their dupes believe it - "can't control the border, then you don't have a country"

 

That is so stupid only a Foxbot can swallow it. If it were true, then North Koreans would be the only people that have a country.

 

Donny's desire for condo's along the North Korean shore aside, elevating the slaves of a brutal despot to a status Americans should try and emulate is beyond insane - it is Republican.

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tempermental wrote-Today, more than 90% of those traveling as families are coming from Central America. You can’t return them quickly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You make the case better than I do for the need for temporary Detention centers- So when the illegal parent or other family member or whoever bring the children in ,commits a crime these kids are separated from those people. It is easier to return these  kids to Mexico but central America is a different story. FYI-these dedention centers  aren`t concentration camps but are actually nice facillities with 3 square meals ,plus snacks,schools,video games ,2 hours of outside recreation ,two phone calls /week etc.  Some of the older kids who were allowed to leave actually came back in a short time.

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When George Bush was President, 85% of the people crossing the border illegally were Mexican, and we were able to return them to Mexico within 24 hours.

 

Today, more than 90% of those traveling as families are coming from Central America. You can’t return them quickly. 

 

Context matters.

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'The Law' is something memorialized by legislative action.  'The Law' is the over-riding authority telling everyone how to behave, or not, what to do, or not, what you owe, or don't and so on and on.  Nobody is above it.  Nobody. There can be no actual or implied authority beyond it.  Nothing.  The buck really does stop there.  Prescriptions for or procriptions against mandated by 'belief' have no authority unless memorialized by law.  The Constitution allows anyone to 'believe' as he/she chooses, but it does not allow anyone to behave as he/she chooses.

 

Whatever is written down AND formally enacted into Law must be interpreted, applied and enforced precisely 'as written' according to the definitions internal to the Law itself OR a referenced common authority.  Debate, discussions, opinion papers....nothing of that sort has bearing.  Only the exact, precise text as written and formally enacted into Law. 

 

ALL administrators OF the law are obligated to enforce it in the same manner.  All of it, not just part and not just what suits contemporary purpose, no matter whose.  That's everybody, folks.  Top to bottom.  IF there is latitude it must be prescribed within the text or the law must be enforced as written...unless it is changed.  Otherwise authority for the action OR inaction simply does not exist under Civic Law.

 

That being said, the Law absolutely must comply with the underlying concepts expressed in the Constitution underpinning the Nation.  SCOTUS is 'supposed' to be objective in this regard.  Whether they are or not is another issue.

 

That being said, implied authority leading to presumed authority doesn't count. IF the law is flawed, fix it.  IF it's not, enforce it.  When the consequences do not fit contemporary reality, repeal or adjust the Law as needed.  I already said the Constitution was the last word on this.  IF that is flawed, the People must fix it.  The administrators do not and should not have a choice in the matter.  Period.

 

Obviously, we have a current administrator in chief who doesn't think what I just said should be applied uniformly for all citizens.  Some are categorically exempted in his opinion. It's also clear that the current administrator in chief considers his opinion 'trumps' the Law.  Now...I will point out once more that unless there is a check on this sort of arbitrary contempt for the Rule of Law, the Law itself becomes meaningless.  That too, should be obvious.  It should also be obvious just who is the principal practitioner of that philosophy.  

 

That being said, I'd suppose we could all agree something must be done about this.  We are ALL patriots.  We are...aren't we?

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easyed598:  In regards to the TOPIC- Ironic that George Bush was the one who started zero tolerance and now Laura Bush is whining because Trump is following Bush`s mandate. Also Obama increase the Dentention centers that the children are being housed in by over 250%.  Do I hear Hypocrisy>Oh yeah it is Trump who actually following the law that his predecessors established and expanded.

 

 

 

One more time Ed.....what law? No one can find the law you keeping insisting Trump is following.

This is Trump's policy and there is really nothing you can do to change that. He needs to be man enough to own what he created, not run around lying and pointing fingers to escape consequences.

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easyed598: If the Republican you were referring to was Joe Scarborrough,he hasn`t been a Republican for years -several other Deranged Republicans have join the Democrat swamp dwellers.

 

 

Ed, it doesn't mean Republicans who refuse to join the Trump cult cease being Republicans.

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In regards to the TOPIC- Ironic that George Bush was the one who started zero tolerance and now Laura Bush is whining because Trump is following Bush`s mandate. Also Obama increase the Dentention centers that the children are being housed in by over 250%.  Do I hear Hypocrisy>Oh yeah it is Trump who actually following the law that his predecessors established and expanded.

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