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LIKE A DICTATOR

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-republican-heller-2018-midterms-652913

 

TRUMP IS ATTACKING REPUBLICANS LIKE A DICTATOR AND IT COULD TEAR THE PARTY APART

A month after publicly denouncing a health care bill that the president was desperate to pass, Senator Dean Heller sat uncomfortably alongside President Donald Trump in front of rolling cameras. Holding the floor, Trump did not disappoint, addressing the awkwardness head on with a veil of humor so thin it stood no chance of obscuring anyone's view of the true threat at its heart.

“Look, he wants to remain a senator doesn’t he?” Trump said with a smirk.

 

Heller rocked his head back and initially burst into a laugh. But, with a subtle yet significant hand on his arm, Trump let him know that the warning was not to be taken lightly.

 

We'll see.

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As crazy as it sounds , Trump was right about one thing -

He could shoot someone, in broad daylight, on 5th Ave. and people would still support him !!! 

IMHO , there are a few of those people around here.

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@mandm84 wrote:

As crazy as it sounds , Trump was right about one thing -

He could shoot someone, in broad daylight, on 5th Ave. and people would still support him !!! 

IMHO , there are a few of those people around here.


Yes, I'm sure the liberal thugs would approve!

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and if he cured cancer? If he did ... there are a lot of people around here who'd condemn him for hospital closings.

You see how absurd it all sounds? but I get it.

Libs are nuttier than squirrel poop
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The assaults and killing is all just " silliness " , Really ?

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@mandm84 wrote:

The assaults and killing is all just " silliness " , Really ?


Did you happen to read the post that was in response to? You will find that doing so tends to add a lot of intelligence to the response.

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'Dictator' goes all the way back to ancient Rome.  A person was constitutionally invested with absolute authority [power] to deal with a crisis........when the crisis was over, things were supposed to go back to the way they were before the crisis.  Fat chance.

 

There have been many 'dictators' since then. I don't know of any who intend to relinquish power once they have it. Hitler was only one.  He may not even have been the worst of ALL that have ever been. 

 

They do share common traits.  When you say, LIKE A DICTATOR, that doesn't mean like Hitler alone, but anyone who behaves that way OR aspires to absolute power.  Those characteristics fit the current wanna-be in the White House like a Brooks Brothers golf shirt.

 

Here is the undeniable 'truth'

 

IF you are Republican and didn't vote against him in both primary and general elections, IF you are not Republican and didn't vote for a viable alternative candidate, IF you didn't bother to vote at all, YOU put him where he is and made it possible for him to be what he obviouisly wants to be. 

 

That makes you absolutely responsible.

 

2018 is right around the corner.  You can't fix anything by putting his shills in office or back in office. Dictators don't get there by themselves.  You don't like what's happening...do something about it.

 

 

 

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@umbarch64 wrote:

'Dictator' goes all the way back to ancient Rome.  A person was constitutionally invested with absolute authority [power] to deal with a crisis........when the crisis was over, things were supposed to go back to the way they were before the crisis.  Fat chance.

Agreed - it has just never worked. That is why our Founders developed our system of limited and divided government. That is why I get concerned when I see some new idea for the government to"help" some element of out population. It always creates a dependency and therefore can never be removed.

 

There have been many 'dictators' since then. I don't know of any who intend to relinquish power once they have it. Hitler was only one.  He may not even have been the worst of ALL that have ever been. 

 

They do share common traits.  When you say, LIKE A DICTATOR, that doesn't mean like Hitler alone, but anyone who behaves that way OR aspires to absolute power.  Those characteristics fit the current wanna-be in the White House like a Brooks Brothers golf shirt.

Agreed. That is why I cannot understand this idea of calling President Trump a "dictator" when we still have Obamacare and don't have the "wall".

 

Here is the undeniable 'truth'

 

IF you are Republican and didn't vote against him in both primary and general elections, IF you are not Republican and didn't vote for a viable alternative candidate, IF you didn't bother to vote at all, YOU put him where he is and made it possible for him to be what he obviouisly wants to be. 

There really was no "viable alternative" in the general election. The only alternative would have taken us further down the path to Socialism ("dictatorship" as defined above implied).

 

That makes you absolutely responsible.

 

2018 is right around the corner.  You can't fix anything by putting his shills in office or back in office. Dictators don't get there by themselves.  You don't like what's happening...do something about it.

Agreed. People will be voting for further Socialism (dictatorship) of Constitutional government.

 

One possible disagreement we may have - you seem to see dictatorship by individual, I see dictatorship by government (which has, of course, a leader).

 

 

 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

 

Agreed. People will be voting for further Socialism (dictatorship) of Constitutional government.

 

One possible disagreement we may have - you seem to see dictatorship by individual, I see dictatorship by government (which has, of course, a leader).

 


 


Yep, people will vote for either Nazi, Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Dictatorial government by voting more of Trump's extreme right shills into office ...................... or they will vote for responsible "Constitutional government" by voting for Democrats.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

Agreed. People will be voting for further Socialism (dictatorship) of Constitutional government.

 

One possible disagreement we may have - you seem to see dictatorship by individual, I see dictatorship by government (which has, of course, a leader).

 


 


Yep, people will vote for either Nazi, Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Dictatorial government by voting more of Trump's extreme right shills into office ...................... or they will vote for responsible "Constitutional government" by voting for Democrats.


What is Nazi, Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Dictatorial about the Trump Administration - except, of course, the meme?

 

And what is "Constitutional government" about "Free Everything"? - well, actually, since "free" doesn't exist, let's say what is "Constitutional government" about "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs"?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

Agreed. People will be voting for further Socialism (dictatorship) of Constitutional government.

 

One possible disagreement we may have - you seem to see dictatorship by individual, I see dictatorship by government (which has, of course, a leader).

 


 


Yep, people will vote for either Nazi, Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Dictatorial government by voting more of Trump's extreme right shills into office ...................... or they will vote for responsible "Constitutional government" by voting for Democrats.


What is Nazi, Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Dictatorial about the Trump Administration - except, of course, the meme?

 

And what is "Constitutional government" about "Free Everything"? - well, actually, since "free" doesn't exist, let's say what is "Constitutional government" about "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs"?


Trump didn't admonish the KKK for it's white supremacist actions and agenda ----- Nazi.  Trump surrounded himself through his appointments with the wealthiest and the Alt-Right Nationalists ------- Marxist, Fascist, Socialist and Dictatorial.

 

"From each according to his means, to each according to his needs" is a fallacy you keep repeating, it has no validity so prompts no discussion.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:


What is Nazi, Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Dictatorial about the Trump Administration - except, of course, the meme?

 

And what is "Constitutional government" about "Free Everything"? - well, actually, since "free" doesn't exist, let's say what is "Constitutional government" about "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs"?


Trump didn't admonish the KKK for it's white supremacist actions and agenda ----- Nazi. Of course he did. I thought that the complaint was he didn't do it fast enough. Then there was the complaint that he criticized the brownshirts too.

 

Trump surrounded himself through his appointments with the wealthiest and the Alt-Right Nationalists ------- Marxist, Fascist, Socialist and Dictatorial. Got it - surrounding yourself with the successful makes you a Marxist, Socialist, Fascist and Dictatorial - do you have any idea as the the definitions of the political systems you are bandying around willy-nilly? And what is an "alt-right Nationalist". I did hear the President say "America first". I agree, does that make me a Marxist??

 

"From each according to his means, to each according to his needs" is a fallacy you keep repeating, it has no validity so prompts no discussion. O.K. you tell me - who pays for that "free" stuff and who pays for it - and  (this is the big one) who does the distribution?


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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:


What is Nazi, Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Dictatorial about the Trump Administration - except, of course, the meme?

 

And what is "Constitutional government" about "Free Everything"? - well, actually, since "free" doesn't exist, let's say what is "Constitutional government" about "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs"?


Trump didn't admonish the KKK for it's white supremacist actions and agenda ----- Nazi. Of course he did. I thought that the complaint was he didn't do it fast enough. Then there was the complaint that he criticized the brownshirts too.

 

Trump surrounded himself through his appointments with the wealthiest and the Alt-Right Nationalists ------- Marxist, Fascist, Socialist and Dictatorial. Got it - surrounding yourself with the successful makes you a Marxist, Socialist, Fascist and Dictatorial - do you have any idea as the the definitions of the political systems you are bandying around willy-nilly? And what is an "alt-right Nationalist". I did hear the President say "America first". I agree, does that make me a Marxist??

 

"From each according to his means, to each according to his needs" is a fallacy you keep repeating, it has no validity so prompts no discussion. O.K. you tell me - who pays for that "free" stuff and who pays for it - and  (this is the big one) who does the distribution?



That republican/conservative "make believe" from the alternate reality...

 

We will never lack for comic relief...

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@alferdpacker wrote:

 


@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:


What is Nazi, Marxist, Fascist, Socialist, Dictatorial about the Trump Administration - except, of course, the meme?

 

And what is "Constitutional government" about "Free Everything"? - well, actually, since "free" doesn't exist, let's say what is "Constitutional government" about "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs"?


Trump didn't admonish the KKK for it's white supremacist actions and agenda ----- Nazi. Of course he did. I thought that the complaint was he didn't do it fast enough. Then there was the complaint that he criticized the brownshirts too.

 

Trump surrounded himself through his appointments with the wealthiest and the Alt-Right Nationalists ------- Marxist, Fascist, Socialist and Dictatorial. Got it - surrounding yourself with the successful makes you a Marxist, Socialist, Fascist and Dictatorial - do you have any idea as the the definitions of the political systems you are bandying around willy-nilly? And what is an "alt-right Nationalist". I did hear the President say "America first". I agree, does that make me a Marxist??

 

"From each according to his means, to each according to his needs" is a fallacy you keep repeating, it has no validity so prompts no discussion. O.K. you tell me - who pays for that "free" stuff and who pays for it - and  (this is the big one) who does the distribution?



That republican/conservative "make believe" from the alternate reality...

 

We will never lack for comic relief...


But - who pays for the "free stuff. Surely you are not going to try to insult yourself out of another difficult situation.

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Trump knows he's right and he's letting everyone know it. He reminded everyone that Senators John McCain and Senator Lisa Murkowski voted to repeal ObamaCare in the past, even as late as 2015. 

Other presidents would have quietly moved on rather than embarrass any of their party members. Others move behind the scenes to get back at members who don't follow their agenda. One such example was George W. Bush.

 

Remember how George W. Bush handled Jim Jeffords for not fully supporting the Republican agenda?


An early indication of the vindictiveness of this administration came with the saga of Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords' defection from the GOP in 2001. This is a tale of double-retribution.

 

  • First, Jeffords refused to back the Bush tax cut plan in 2001. As The New Republic reported in June 2001, the White House responded by gutting special education programs supported by Jeffords.
  • To add insult to injury, the Bush team took the unprecedented step of not inviting Jeffords to a White House event honoring a teacher from Vermont.
  • They even denied Jeffords' office White House tour passes for his constituents.


Senator Jeffords then left the party and caucused with the Democrats tilting the majority to the Democrats.

 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/8/18/1322757/-Jim-Jeffords-provided-a-window-into-Bush-s-soul

 

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TRUMP IS ATTACKING REPUBLICANS LIKE A DICTATOR AND IT COULD TEAR THE PARTY APART

 

Trump is very much a "hit back" kinda guy. His "relationship" with the Republican Party goes back to the primaries. He was opposed by the establishment and is still opposed by it.

 

His election indicates a dissatisfaction with the establishment on the part of the people. So, is doing the will of the people and opposing the entrenched establishment a valid definition of "Dictator"?

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When you're on the fence about everything you stand for nothing. Good , bad or ugly I'm confident most of us know where he stands on most issues. However there is none so blind that will not see, therefore the bias can only see what their blinders will allow. There isn't a single Trump supporter who does not see his "warts". We also see what the obstructionist refuse to see. I can explain it for you but no one can understand it for you.

Nazi is now the "word" to replace racist.

Libs are nuttier than squirrel poop
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Fishslayer777 wrote:
When you're on the fence about everything you stand for nothing. Good , bad or ugly I'm confident most of us know where he stands on most issues.

Yeah, right.....was pro-choice, then he wasn't.....was for Universal healthcare; then he wasn't....was for pulling out of Afghanistan; now he isn't.....was going to call China a "currency manipulator" and then he didn't......said if he was elected he would remain at the WH to do work; now he takes more vacations than any other President.....said the North Atlantic Treaty Complained about Obama golfing so much; now he's out golfed Obama in just 7 months.....campaigned on a  rallying cry to "drain the swamp,"; yet has filled his White House staff and Cabinet with billionaires, donors, former politicians and Wall Street financiers.


But as you say, Fish, "there is none so blind that will not see..."  Seems to fit quite well with many of your posts...

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Spot on Cent, everything you said about Trump is so true , BUT the 39% will still blindly follow wearing their fact proof vests !!!

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Cent....

So if I change my mind and become a liberal.... that's bad? lol

You're the great guilt renderer... sorry Mom, I'm resistant.

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
Cent....

So if I change my mind and become a liberal.... that's bad? lol

You're the great guilt renderer... sorry Mom, I'm resistant.

Sorry Trump supporters will never be able to meet the standards of the Liberals

So it begins.
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@MIseker wrote:

@Fishslayer777 wrote:
Cent....

So if I change my mind and become a liberal.... that's bad? lol

You're the great guilt renderer... sorry Mom, I'm resistant.

Sorry Trump supporters will never be able to meet the standards of the Liberals


Possibly the traditional Liberals, they were all about personal freedom.

 

It is the neoMarxists that Trump voters could never become - they are all about ownership of the population by the government.

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@gruffstuff wrote:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-republican-heller-2018-midterms-652913

 

TRUMP IS ATTACKING REPUBLICANS LIKE A DICTATOR AND IT COULD TEAR THE PARTY APART

A month after publicly denouncing a health care bill that the president was desperate to pass, Senator Dean Heller sat uncomfortably alongside President Donald Trump in front of rolling cameras. Holding the floor, Trump did not disappoint, addressing the awkwardness head on with a veil of humor so thin it stood no chance of obscuring anyone's view of the true threat at its heart.

“Look, he wants to remain a senator doesn’t he?” Trump said with a smirk.

 

Heller rocked his head back and initially burst into a laugh. But, with a subtle yet significant hand on his arm, Trump let him know that the warning was not to be taken lightly.

 

We'll see.


I think he's still stuck at the 'Art Of The Deal'.....at least, so far.  The rest comes later....wait for it.

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Trump's leadership is a scary reminder of Germany around 1933 , but the sheep still follow.

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@mandm84 wrote:

Trump's leadership is a scary reminder of Germany around 1933 , but the sheep still follow.


Really? How so. As I understand it, the brownshirts of that era were causing disruption to push for Hitler's leadership. In our case the brownshirts have the opposite effect. 

 

Hitler was attacking citizens of Germany - the Jews for example. Trump is concerned with people here illegally. Again the opposite.

 

So, would you care to expand on your theory?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mandm84 wrote:

Trump's leadership is a scary reminder of Germany around 1933 , but the sheep still follow.


 

Hitler was attacking citizens of Germany - the Jews for example. Trump is concerned with people here illegally. Again the opposite.  trump has attacked Paul Ryan, Bob Corker, Mitch McConnell, Jeff Flake, John McCain and Lisa Murkowski all this past week.  ALL of which are legal citizens the last I looked.  trump pardons a criminal convicted of denying the rights of thousands of US Citizens here legally, yet you continue with your lame strawman arguments......and so it goes....

 


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mandm84 wrote:

Trump's leadership is a scary reminder of Germany around 1933 , but the sheep still follow.


 

Hitler was attacking citizens of Germany - the Jews for example. Trump is concerned with people here illegally. Again the opposite.  trump has attacked Paul Ryan, Bob Corker, Mitch McConnell, Jeff Flake, John McCain and Lisa Murkowski all this past week.  ALL of which are legal citizens the last I looked.  trump pardons a criminal convicted of denying the rights of thousands of US Citizens here legally, yet you continue with your lame strawman arguments......and so it goes....

 


O.K. if that is your point: Which of those "victims" is Jewish and "attacked" for his faith?

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Hitler was attacking citizens of Germany - the Jews for example. Trump is concerned with people here illegally. Again the opposite.

 

You're talking about physical attacks, but Hitler didn't begin with physical attacks, Hitler began his attacks with words, and laws, the death trains and camps came later, when the Nazis felt secure in power.

 

We in the USA are not to that point yet, and we can't allow a Hitler here, because as in Germany once secure in power the physical attacks will come, not just from a group of Nazis in Charlotteville, but from the Nazis in control of the US government.

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@gruffstuff wrote:

Hitler was attacking citizens of Germany - the Jews for example. Trump is concerned with people here illegally. Again the opposite.

 

You're talking about physical attacks, but Hitler didn't begin with physical attacks, Hitler began his attacks with words, and laws, the death trains and camps came later, when the Nazis felt secure in power.

What physical attacks is President Trump accused of? It seems a bit excessive to compare a death train to an airplane ticket home

 

We in the USA are not to that point yet, and we can't allow a Hitler here, because as in Germany once secure in power the physical attacks will come, not just from a group of Nazis in Charlotteville, but from the Nazis in control of the US government.

If you look at Hitler's brownshirts and Mussolini's blackshirts you see the street gangs of the "Resistance" - nothing related to President Trump.

 

As to "Nazis in control of the government" - Nazi and Fascist describe dictatorships. Has President Trump gotten his "wall" yet - how about dumping Obamacare - doesn't really sound like a Dictator, does he?


 

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As to "Nazis in control of the government" - Nazi and Fascist describe dictatorships. Has President Trump gotten his "wall" yet - how about dumping Obamacare - doesn't really sound like a Dictator, does he?

 

Not yet, and hopefully Trump never consolidates power to the point where " like a dictator " becomes dictator.

 

It's always up to the people, what they will allow or tolerate, and how far they buy into fascism.

 

 

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