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intereting take you have on regulations. Its ok for the govt to allow mining companies to kill citizens by poisoning the water, but we need regulations at the border.

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Your post does not make sense.

He have regulations in place today that do not allow mining companies to poison our waters.

Yes, we have regulations at our borders. Do you have a problem with that? if so why?

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@GailL1 wrote:


What do you think of the Guatamalan woman that came here to give birth to her new (citizen) child while leaving other(s) under 5 years old in her homeland and she came here to escape the violence in her country?  Is this a responsible, loving  mother or one that took care of her own self 1st.?  Now she is being asked to either come get this newly arrived toddler which they are holding or pay for the escorts round trip to bring her to the mother.  Since the mother's own status maybe illegal, is she gonna come get this child or stay in the shadows here with her citizen child?  No wonder she has't shown up to claim the child. If you thiml that  your example is the first one that I havew seen, let me tell you. I have seen Mexican women that cross the border give bitth to a kid and then bring their orhte children to the US. I have SEEN   this oone constantly not only by Guatemalsn but by Salvadorians and anyone else you can think . MY respomse to you is, that they shoule all be deporteed. inmediaterly including the US baby. If that child whenhe reaches 18 wants to come bac as a citizen he has that right. in the meanwhile as a minor stays with the mother. Ask Congress why they haven't done anything about htis?

 

What do you think of the Latin American mothers who paid smugglers to bring her unaccompanied children here, all less than 18 years old and then they died in some truck or box car with others from heat exhaustion. Seame thing with an exepction.  MOst of those women in Central American first they don't speak English, they barely speak Spanish. and they have an image that this country is made of gold and that they can come here and change their lives from poverty to riches. They think mainly because of their ignorance that they are doing their kids a favor. they don't undertand where they are y sending them to. Again. talk to Congress deportation of those children should be done inmediately..

 

What do you think of the mothers that sent their unaccompanied children here, who are less than 18 years old, some even 5 years old, to risk travel perils for months on the road.  Hoping they would be allowed to stay or returned somewhere - would / could they even be sent back to her? Same answer

 

So it is not just about the mothers that have been separated from their children once they get here by legal or illegal methods while various checks and reviews are done, it is also about the mothers that separated themselves from their own children by the choices they have made.
The ones that are detaiend here as a family requesting asylum and have been separated from their children, are those the ones you are spealking about.? Thet had no choice in the matter, their kids were taken involuntarily from them. are those the ones you are speaKING ABOUT.

 

 


 

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@Soosie How and the heck did you ever go to abortion. Is this you bragging you have an adopted child and praise for the birth mother?
It has nothing to do with a child ripped from your arms, not the same.
An abortion is a choice, giving away is a choice. Get it straight not the same. Your confused with taking by force and giving away by choice.
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@rker321 wrote:

I am glad to see your posts.  in your posts you certainly display who you are and what you root for.

YOur posts denote a cruelty that is inconceivable to most of us. The only excuse is that being a man, is difficult to imagine what a child means to a woman.
We carry this child inside of us. that child is part of us. not only emotionally but physically. There isan't a mother that will not give up their life in order to save any of her children. Perhaps those feelings are not visible in your posts.

If anyone had tried to take away any of my children, they would have had to kill me and ask any women if they wodn't respond in the same manner.
Women, mothers are a unique part of our world and society.  Even in your religion the respect for women is extraordinary. 
Respect the anguish, the desperation , that takes over any mother when they feel that their children have been taken away from them. 
Have some pity have some emphaty.


What do you think of the Guatamalan woman that came here to give birth to her new (citizen) child while leaving other(s) under 5 years old in her homeland and she came here to escape the violence in her country?  Is this a responsible, loving  mother or one that took care of her own self 1st.?  Now she is being asked to either come get this newly arrived toddler which they are holding or pay for the escorts round trip to bring her to the mother.  Since the mother's own status maybe illegal, is she gonna come get this child or stay in the shadows here with her citizen child?  No wonder she has't shown up to claim the child.

 

What do you think of the Latin American mothers who paid smugglers to bring her unaccompanied children here, all less than 18 years old and then they died in some truck or box car with others from heat exhaustion.

 

What do you think of the mothers that sent their unaccompanied children here, who are less than 18 years old, some even 5 years old, to risk travel perils for months on the road.  Hoping they would be allowed to stay or returned somewhere - would / could they even be sent back to her?

 

So it is not just about the mothers that have been separated from their children once they get here by legal or illegal methods while various checks and reviews are done, it is also about the mothers that separated themselves from their own children by the choices they have made.

 

 

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@angeleyes64 wrote:
@rker321
Should we have expected anything any better from the Donald. He has no heart, he gave them a heart breaking choice.

Where are the children he has taken from parents, do they get their children if they say they want to leave with them? Will the Monster find these children some how?

We don't have a President, we have a Monster of the Unites States, we can't be Proud of the leader of our Country he is so cruel. Why does he not think of his own children, he has Ivanka almost up his butt, what if he lost her?
They are seeking asylum, they have that right as immigrants. I really hope there is such a thing as Karma, and GOD does see everything, he will remember his cruelty to these CHILDREN,

They are immigrants just like his Grand-Father and Father they were immigrants, so were 2 of his wives, immigrants. Why is he so against immigrants. All they all want is to be in America, know as the Land of the Free.

No wonder you spend so much time in fear looking for KARMA as you weep your bitter tears over the CHILDREN- it's all about emotion.

 

The President's job is to protect our nation and enforce it's laws. He is dealing with people who have illegally entered.

 

There are established procedures for seeking asylum. People following those procedures are not a problem and have no problem. 

 

Yes, yes, very dramatic - "Land of the Free" - but not land of the freedom from rules and regulations. Without them, we have no nation.


intereting take you have on regulations. Its ok for the govt to allow mining companies to kill citizens by poisoning the water, but we need regulations at the border.

So it begins.
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Do you realize the toll it takes on a woman or parent to loose a child, not just emotionally, but physically? @AngelEyes.........Do you think it takes a toll emotionally or physically when a child is taken by abortion? I know a couple of women who made this choice and have not gotten over it. I cannot understand all the tears and emotional response about the children brought here by illegal parents, but no outcry about the babies murdered in the womb. And Yes, they are babies. They are not some little pea to be snapped and thrown in the garbage. I am so thankful for the birth mother of my son who chose to give him life rather than putting herself first.
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@KidBoy2 wrote:

It seems to me that you do not care about the children being taken away from LEGAL mothers just illegal mothers. If so why?


Of course they don't shed the crocodile tears for mothers here who has children taken away from them.  But they don't mind pulling at the heartstrings for these mothers who place their children in these situations.  It's their own fault and no one made them put their children in a situation like this.

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@angeleyes64 wrote:

 

You and he have NOT one clue of the damage he has caused these families. 

He could have done it in a humane way, he has such impulses and never thinks things through. Any man with a heart would have thought about this way twice. 

 



It wasn't Trump as President who caused any damage to these families.  It was their own fault for taking their children over the dangerous journey north thinking they were entitled to enter this country.  The responsibililty lies entirely on their shoulders.

 

The President is obligated to enforce the laws of our country, including those concerning immigration.  And that is what the government is doing.  There wasn't this outrage when Obama was enforcing border laws the same way, but of course now of course its different. 

 

It has nothing to do with women losing a child, but of enforcing the law when they put their children in harmful way. 

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CBS This Morning.
angeleyes64 you and rker need to get up on what is going on.

FYI...https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-executive-end-family-separation-at-border-immigration-today-2018-...



CBS NEWS June 20, 2018, 11:16 PM
Trump signs executive order on family separation but says "zero tolerance" to stay
President Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday to solve the issue of family separation at the border. The policy keeps in place key components of the administration's "zero tolerance" policy of prosecuting illegal border crossings along the U.S-Mexico border. While the administration will continue prosecuting crimes of "improper entry," the administration will "maintain family unity, including by detaining alien families together where appropriate and consistent with law and available resources," according to the order's text.

In a shift from previous policy, families will now be held together during the process of prosecution and deportation at the border.

"We are keeping families together and this will solve that problem. At the time we are keeping a very powerful border and it continues to be a zero tolerance, we have zero tolerance for people that enter our country illegally," Mr. Trump said. He added that no one has had the "political courage" to take care of the issue which he claims has gone on for over 60 years.

"I didn't like sight or the feeling of families being separated it's a problem that's gone on for many years, too many administrations," he said. Mr. Trump later told reporters that his daughter Ivanka and first lady Melania Trump both felt strongly about images of young children separated from their families at the border, saying "anybody with heart would feel strongly about it.

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It seems to me that you do not care about the children being taken away from LEGAL mothers just illegal mothers. If so why?

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There seems to be a couple of men on here who just can't grasp the enormous pain and anguish this has caused these families.
They did not cause the children harm getting here, they were getting them OUT of harm getting here.

Then the worst thing happened in a Country they thought they were coming to to be safe and free. Can any of these men even imagine this happening to them with out always saying they were putting their kids in danger.

They were not, they were trying to SAVE THEM,
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