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Treasured Social Butterfly
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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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jimc91 wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

 

 

These are very special men that are to be respected and honored.

 

Please cease and desist using them in your petty political differences.

 

 

 

 


And we have posters that second guess the military leaders on how to best protect our country and allies.

 

The willful ignorance continues.

 

Cease and desist!

 

 

 

 

 

Handing civilian govenment power to the Military is unconstitutional. Kellys claim of military "superiority" ( patriotism et al) is unconstitutional too. 

So it begins.
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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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john258 wrote:


Sorry, you lost me. How did Russian bots get into this?

 

As to the hate cult - it created itself, I merely pointed it out.


No I did not loose you.

Once again, you lost me. How did Russian bots get into this?

The far right was lost on this subject from the start and its followers have no idea of how to handle the truth when their leaders have been caught in an outright lie.

Is the "outright lie" the error on the extraneous issue for the funding for the FBI building?

Kelly lied about the Congresswomen which is now a proven fact. Kelly listened in the the talk between the President and the soldiers family, and Kelly did not deny the President said what the Congresswomen, and mother told us he said. Kelly told us the same thing in his cover up for our President.

Can you provide a transcript? Without it, you are just ranting.

Yes there is a hate cult. The far right was born in hate and has been a hate cult for over 100 years, and name anything a far right govt. has done but cause misery for people.

Can you connect that hate rant to the topic?

The Russian saw that in the far right there are a great number of members who have mental problems and chose to use the far right to further its aims.

Are you in touch with Russian mental health experts"

When they saw Trump was running to be President they jumped on that since they new he had mental problems, and lot of his followers would fit the far right mode.

If being pro Constitution, pro private economy, pro freedom, and pro America first is a sign of mental illness - lock me up

An easy way to move forwarded with their plans. Guess what every thing they thought was correct and they move forwarded. Yes I agree with you. I lost you a long time ago.


 

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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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Cent wrote IP

In particular, Klay said, the politicized discourse around service, and who understands its burdens, obscures legitimate questions that all citizens need to engage with, beginning, in this moment, with why U.S. forces were in Niger in the first place.

 

And not JUST in Niger, but everywhere we've placed our military in harms way, most notibly Iraq and Afghanistan. You do not HONOR the military by sending them to die when the one's killing them pose no threat to our Nation. It's just another example of the disasterous mindset from the right during Vietnam - opposing a totally needless war that was killing thousands of brave Americans and maiming tens of thousands was somehow "unpatriotic".

 

Americans need to learn to decide what our National Interest is, and work to defend THAT - not zip around the world trying to stop "evil-doers" who are causing us no harm.

 

The worst thing Nixon ever did was to end the military draft. What he SHOULD have done was to end military "deferrments" and called up the Guard and Reserve so America would be "engaged" in the 'Nam AND ALL FUTURE military fiascos, making it infinatily more difficult for gutless draft-dodgers like jrbush and Der Trumper to send brave Americans off to die so they can look good to their political base.

 

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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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First off, Der Trumper has sent a couple thousand more brave Americans to become targets for ISIS and its ilk with no rational for what they hope to accomplish except the meaningless "to defeat terrorism" bumpersticker GOPers use to justify huge profits for defense contractors. If using their lives like kleenex to prop up a totally failed military misadventure is NOT disrexpecting the military, then please let us know what is.

 

The comment the president made of the pregnant widow’s husband: “he knew what he signed up for... but when it happens it hurts anyway.” implies the dead should've known better and not signed up to become cannon fodder for the Military-Industrial Complex. The total disrespect comes from NOT recognizing the man signed up to defend his Nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic, not to die in jrbush's needless fiasco.

 

Please explain how Der Trumper's comment was NOT telling the fallen soldier's widow he should've made a better choice for both your futures?

 

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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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Snoopy48 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Snoopy48 wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

 

 

These are very special men that are to be respected and honored.

 

Please cease and desist using them in your petty political differences.

 

 

 

 


And yet you still support Trump who has done nothing but disrespect and dishonor these men.


No - that is the Party line. He is not disrespectful of the military


You should actually listen to Trump some time. He has been very disrespectful of the military many times.


Any specifics? Sounds like you are just jumping on board the Party line train.

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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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Richva wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

No - that is the Party line. He is not disrespectful of the military


You mean he is just disrepectful of any Gold Star Family members?  I loved his "sucks to be you" call to the widow of a dead soldier. 


No, it means he is not disrespectful of the military or their families. Can you substantiate your "sucks to be you" quote??

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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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I used to have a lot of confidence regarding some of these men in the Trump Administration. I used to think that they were the grown ups in the White House, Now,  I have my doubts.
Tillerson. who is he? what was he in reality? He seems to me that he rather be seen as Trump's puppet and punching bad without any effect on his dignity and integrity.
Now Kelly yes a 4 Star General that comes out defending Trump on an indefensible situation. tries to fixes it, and blunders even more and on top forget to say any kind words for the fallen soldier
Maddox, now saying that deterrent will be unacceptable? in North Korea? well in that case, let's just simply start bombing North Korea. killing millions of people not only in North Korea but also in South Korea. who knows what is going to happen in Japan , Guam and even the West Coast of the US.
From the beginning we have seen the disdain that his "wingman" has had for the institutions that have existed and that have made this country great.
Throwing this country into another war and this time an atomic war, is not that far fetched.
Bad mouthing past Presidents, with impunity, and a ton of imbeciles applauding.
Like I have said, The SHUMA   has taken over. and we will see the  effects of those that think that is the new path to follow.


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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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John Kelly needs to apologize and then resign before trump makes him look foolish again.

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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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@jimc91 wrote:

Sorry but your link wanst to charge me a dollar, and I don't think I want to pay anything, no matter who they are or what they say.

 

For YOU? No charge......

For some veterans, John Kelly’s remarks add to a worrying military-civilian divide

 

The deaths of four Special Forces soldiers in Niger this month have sparked wider debate about military service, the civilian-military divide in the United States and the contours of public discourse about one of the country’s most hallowed communities: the families of troops killed in combat.

 

When White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly defended President Trump’s call to the wife of one of the soldiers killed in Niger, the former four-star general stressed the lack of a prescribed script for any president.

 

“If you elect to call a family like this, it is about the most difficult thing you could imagine. There’s no perfect way to make that phone call,” Kelly told reporters Thursday. His son, Marine 1st Lt. Robert M. Kelly, was killed in Afghanistan seven years ago.

But Kelly’s defense of Trump — beginning with a vivid description of how dead troops make their way home — turned into a lecture on how Americans do not understand the military community’s sacrifice. And it alarmed some of those who study relations between the military and society.

 

Former senior officials such as retired Gen. David Petraeus and retired Adm. Mike Mullen have argued that divisions between troops and civilians can exacerbate misconceptions about post-traumatic stress and make obtaining civilian employment difficult for veterans. And they have championed efforts to bridge the gaps in understanding.

 
Kelly’s remarks work against those efforts, said Kori Schake, a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution and co-editor of the book “Warriors and Citizens” with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. “My guess is that military families will pull themselves further into the community because they don’t want to be politicized,” Schake said.

 

Kelly’s remarks broaden what had been a relatively insular discussion among military families, veterans and scholars. It begins with a basic premise — that civil society and military circles are culturally, socially and geographically distinct, a form of isolation with real consequences for the country.

 

“The last 16 years of war have been carried by a narrow slice of the population, and the burden is heavy but not wide,” said Phil Carter, a former Army officer and director of the military, veterans and society program at Center for a New American Security, a Washington think tank.

Carter said that Kelly’s comments echo a prevalent attitude in some military and veteran circles — a feeling of pride for taking on a tough job in some of the most dangerous places on Earth, coupled with a simmering resentment of civilians oblivious to their mission.

 

“His entire adult life was spent in military, and he has given his literal flesh and blood in the form of his son’s death,” Carter said. “I think he sincerely feels most Americans don’t understand his life of service and sacrifice.”

 

Carter and others said it can be difficult for many Americans to encounter military families. Fewer than 1 percent of the population currently serve in uniform, and 7 percent are military veterans. The number of Gold Star families — the term for those who lost a family member to combat — is about 7,000 from Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

“We don’t look down upon those of you that haven’t served,” Kelly said Thursday. “In fact, in a way we’re a little bit sorry because you’ll never have experienced the wonderful joy you get in your heart when you do the kinds of things our servicemen and -women do.”

 

Geography heightens the separation. Military families and veterans tend to be linked to military installations that populate the South and Midwest, turning those populations inward and away from the coasts, and recruitment often draws on those who already have military ties, making service in uniform a family business of sorts.

 

Kelly’s words Thursday worried Carter and others. His somber ordering of how a dead service member is moved from battlefield to burial was a helpful glimpse for Americans who have not experienced that trauma. But Carter said he paired the idea with a belief that most civilians could not conceive — or intentionally fail — to understand that burden.

 

“It was odd. The military does not have a monopoly on loss and hardship,” Carter said.

 

Another moment also struck a dissonant note. When Kelly ended his remarks by accusing Rep. Frederica S. Wilson (D-Fla.) of using a dead soldier for political points, he told reporters he was only interested in questions from those who had a direct connection to those killed in combat.


“Is anyone here a Gold Star parent or sibling? Does anyone here know a Gold Star parent or sibling?” Kelly asked before taking a question about Niger.

 

Analysts were taken back by his stance, which they said suggested discourse about those killed in action can only reasonably occur in the walled-off segments of society where losses on the battlefield are most directly and painfully felt.

 

“John Kelly is right that Americans have fallen out of practice of how to speak about grieving military families,” Schake said. “But that’s because of the happy circumstance that the country is not subject to the draft or large wars. That gap is not the fault of average Americans.”

 

That portion of Kelly’s reaction nagged at Phil Klay, an Iraq War veteran who wrote the short story collection “Redeployment,” winner of the National Book Award.

 

“Veterans feel very keenly that America is disengaged from these wars. The problem is not going to be fixed with the idea only people who are personally involved have the right to ask questions,” Klay said. “It’s the exact opposite.”

 

The notion of military service as the purest form of public virtue, at the cost of other kinds of service to others, is an alarming development, he said.


“Military courage is something society needs to have and we need to valorize it,” Klay said. “But we also need a civic body that makes this a country worth fighting for.”

 

In particular, Klay said, the politicized discourse around service, and who understands its burdens, obscures legitimate questions that all citizens need to engage with, beginning, in this moment, with why U.S. forces were in Niger in the first place.

 

For some veterans, John Kelly’s remarks add to a worrying military-civilian divide



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Re: John Kelly EMOTIONAL White House Press Briefing 10/19/17

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jimc91 wrote:

 

These are very special men that are to be respected and honored.  As are all of our men AND WOMEN serving in the military.

 

Please cease and desist using them in your petty political differences.   LMAO!  What a hypocrite!  Can you say Benghazi?


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