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Negotiations, meetings, international groups, Nobel prizes - and the killing continues.

 

I hope "us" now understands the 70 year failed process.


 

First  you didn't delete about two pages of unreadable posts.  

True.
Now to the post   Yes, the only one that doesn't understand the 70 year failed process is perhaps yourself?

Not just me - anyone aware of the regular occurrences of killing of civilians understand it hasn't worked.
Your defense of Netanyahu  is really bad. you cannot explain that in those 70 years they have been stealing consistently Palestine land by building settlement in areas that are not theirs. they are the occupiers of Palestine.

When did I defend Bibi? As to stealing land - here's a plan, announce "If you launch rockets at me from over there, I'm moving in to over there".
And they complain when the Palestinians response with violence? Really?

Yes, really.
I heard yesterday that all the Arab Nations will finally get together and declare Palestine a State, in response to the imbecility of Trump. (your hero)

Duke Snyder was my last hero - grow up.
and declare that East Jerusalem the capital of Palestine.
Frankly I blame all of those nations for not coming to the aid of one of their own perhaps now they realize that they will have a serious problem if they don't unite.

How about the UN - can they fix the problem? The "neighbors" have united in the past and "came to visit" with tanks and cannons.


 

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@john258 wrote:

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@john258 wrote:

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Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


Please supply all the details on  samo-samo so we will understand how it did not work as you say.


By the numbers:

1) doing the same thing for 70 years hasn't worked, Israeli civilians are still being murdered;

2) see #1.


That make no sense since they have not been doing the same thing for over 70 years, and civilians on both sides are being killed. So after you rethink your samo-samo let us know all the details on your new answer.


You are dodging reality.


Give us the details on Samo-Samo.


Negotiations, meetings, international groups, Nobel prizes - and the killing continues.

 

I hope "us" now understands the 70 year failed process.


Stop changing the subject. Details on Samo-Samo

No change of subject - the above describes the samo-samo you seem very concerned about.


 

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Hey  John  will you take a look at your post and see how it looks?  if you don't delete previous posts you are simply having about a page or more of blank spaces before your post is seen. and is really quite unnecessary  please delete previous posts before posting.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


Please supply all the details on  samo-samo so we will understand how it did not work as you say.


By the numbers:

1) doing the same thing for 70 years hasn't worked, Israeli civilians are still being murdered;

2) see #1.


That make no sense since they have not been doing the same thing for over 70 years, and civilians on both sides are being killed. So after you rethink your samo-samo let us know all the details on your new answer.


You are dodging reality.


Give us the details on Samo-Samo.


Negotiations, meetings, international groups, Nobel prizes - and the killing continues.

 

I hope "us" now understands the 70 year failed process.


Stop changing the subject. Details on Samo-Samo

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Negotiations, meetings, international groups, Nobel prizes - and the killing continues.

 

I hope "us" now understands the 70 year failed process.


 

First  you didn't delete about two pages of unreadable posts.  
Now to the post   Yes, the only one that doesn't understand the 70 year failed process is perhaps yourself?
Your defense of Netanyahu  is really bad. you cannot explain that in those 70 years they have been stealing consistently Palestine land by building settlement in areas that are not theirs. they are the occupiers of Palestine.
And they complain when the Palestinians response with violence? Really?
I heard yesterday that all the Arab Nations will finally get together and declare Palestine a State, in response to the imbecility of Trump. (your hero)
and declare that East Jerusalem the capital of Palestine.
Frankly I blame all of those nations for not coming to the aid of one of their own perhaps now they realize that they will have a serious problem if they don't unite.

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@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


Please supply all the details on  samo-samo so we will understand how it did not work as you say.


By the numbers:

1) doing the same thing for 70 years hasn't worked, Israeli civilians are still being murdered;

2) see #1.


That make no sense since they have not been doing the same thing for over 70 years, and civilians on both sides are being killed. So after you rethink your samo-samo let us know all the details on your new answer.


You are dodging reality.


Give us the details on Samo-Samo.


Negotiations, meetings, international groups, Nobel prizes - and the killing continues.

 

I hope "us" now understands the 70 year failed process.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


Please supply all the details on  samo-samo so we will understand how it did not work as you say.


By the numbers:

1) doing the same thing for 70 years hasn't worked, Israeli civilians are still being murdered;

2) see #1.


That make no sense since they have not been doing the same thing for over 70 years, and civilians on both sides are being killed. So after you rethink your samo-samo let us know all the details on your new answer.


You are dodging reality.


Give us the details on Samo-Samo.

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Der Trumper produces and sells more "fertilizer" than Potash Corp, and its all he's done since helping the Russians steal the last election. Like Hitler before him, he has no interest in the actual job of governing, but LOVES to stir up the shouts of adulation from his mindless followers at every opportunity - compare his time spent actually in the Oval Office conducting business and time spent feeding the hate of his supporters.

 

He recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital to titillate his Fundie base who are praying for Armageddon, and that has to begin in Israel. Having no concern for the carnage his actions might provoke - just look at his record of support for the most violent, bigoted and ignorant elements in our society or the havok they cause.

 

That said, there's already a "Two State Solution" - the Jewish Arabs in the old British Protectorate got what's currently israel and the Muslim Arabs got Jordon. the Romans named the area "Palestine" but that was to avoid calling it anything remotely Jewish because of all the trouble Jews had caused the Empire from the get-go. No body EVER called the inhabitants "Palestinian" - that was invented by Yassir Arafat (an Egyptian) and the other Arabs in the regeon who wanted a perpetually hostile stateless population to harrass Israel from the inside while they plotted to destroy her from the outside.

 

If you look at a map, it will become obvious that an Israel WITHOUT what's called "The West Bank" cannot survive. The entire remaining Nation would be in easy rocket range from hostile neighbors who would use their "new" State of Palestine nee West Bank to launch even more than the 12,000 rocket attacks the Muslim Arabs in Gaza have already launched since Israel ceded THAT piece of land for peace. The godless among the Muslims (Wahabbi Sunni, Talaban, AlQaeda, ISIS, et al) will never accept the existance of a Jewish State and we should stop pretending any different, accept Israel now includes the West Bank AND the Golan, it's capital IS Jerusalem (with an International Zone around the "Old City" that is sacrid to all the Abrahamic religions), and the Arab State for the Muslims remaining inside Israel is Jordan, and do al we can to facilitate their movement to their homeland that was set up for them, and then denied by their Arab Brethern, since 1948.


Except for the for some reason required Hitler nonsense that was a very deep and accurate analysis leading to a very rational conclusion.


Why Thanks rk - it's what I've been saying about the Israel-Palestine(sic) issue for decades, and few folks want to admit carving Israel into oblivion is NOT a lasting "Two State Solution" because one of them cannot survive.

 

You may wish to check out an interesting NETFLIX production entitled The Dark Charisma of Adolf Hitler and see if you notice any similarities with today's political miasma.

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Der Trumper produces and sells more "fertilizer" than Potash Corp, and its all he's done since helping the Russians steal the last election. Like Hitler before him, he has no interest in the actual job of governing, but LOVES to stir up the shouts of adulation from his mindless followers at every opportunity - compare his time spent actually in the Oval Office conducting business and time spent feeding the hate of his supporters.

 

He recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital to titillate his Fundie base who are praying for Armageddon, and that has to begin in Israel. Having no concern for the carnage his actions might provoke - just look at his record of support for the most violent, bigoted and ignorant elements in our society or the havok they cause.

 

That said, there's already a "Two State Solution" - the Jewish Arabs in the old British Protectorate got what's currently israel and the Muslim Arabs got Jordon. the Romans named the area "Palestine" but that was to avoid calling it anything remotely Jewish because of all the trouble Jews had caused the Empire from the get-go. No body EVER called the inhabitants "Palestinian" - that was invented by Yassir Arafat (an Egyptian) and the other Arabs in the regeon who wanted a perpetually hostile stateless population to harrass Israel from the inside while they plotted to destroy her from the outside.

 

If you look at a map, it will become obvious that an Israel WITHOUT what's called "The West Bank" cannot survive. The entire remaining Nation would be in easy rocket range from hostile neighbors who would use their "new" State of Palestine nee West Bank to launch even more than the 12,000 rocket attacks the Muslim Arabs in Gaza have already launched since Israel ceded THAT piece of land for peace. The godless among the Muslims (Wahabbi Sunni, Talaban, AlQaeda, ISIS, et al) will never accept the existance of a Jewish State and we should stop pretending any different, accept Israel now includes the West Bank AND the Golan, it's capital IS Jerusalem (with an International Zone around the "Old City" that is sacrid to all the Abrahamic religions), and the Arab State for the Muslims remaining inside Israel is Jordan, and do al we can to facilitate their movement to their homeland that was set up for them, and then denied by their Arab Brethern, since 1948.


Except for the for some reason required Hitler nonsense that was a very deep and accurate analysis leading to a very rational conclusion.

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@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


Please supply all the details on  samo-samo so we will understand how it did not work as you say.


By the numbers:

1) doing the same thing for 70 years hasn't worked, Israeli civilians are still being murdered;

2) see #1.


That make no sense since they have not been doing the same thing for over 70 years, and civilians on both sides are being killed. So after you rethink your samo-samo let us know all the details on your new answer.


You are dodging reality.

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