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Der Trumper produces and sells more "fertilizer" than Potash Corp, and its all he's done since helping the Russians steal the last election. Like Hitler before him, he has no interest in the actual job of governing, but LOVES to stir up the shouts of adulation from his mindless followers at every opportunity - compare his time spent actually in the Oval Office conducting business and time spent feeding the hate of his supporters.

 

He recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital to titillate his Fundie base who are praying for Armageddon, and that has to begin in Israel. Having no concern for the carnage his actions might provoke - just look at his record of support for the most violent, bigoted and ignorant elements in our society or the havok they cause.

 

That said, there's already a "Two State Solution" - the Jewish Arabs in the old British Protectorate got what's currently israel and the Muslim Arabs got Jordon. the Romans named the area "Palestine" but that was to avoid calling it anything remotely Jewish because of all the trouble Jews had caused the Empire from the get-go. No body EVER called the inhabitants "Palestinian" - that was invented by Yassir Arafat (an Egyptian) and the other Arabs in the regeon who wanted a perpetually hostile stateless population to harrass Israel from the inside while they plotted to destroy her from the outside.

 

If you look at a map, it will become obvious that an Israel WITHOUT what's called "The West Bank" cannot survive. The entire remaining Nation would be in easy rocket range from hostile neighbors who would use their "new" State of Palestine nee West Bank to launch even more than the 12,000 rocket attacks the Muslim Arabs in Gaza have already launched since Israel ceded THAT piece of land for peace. The godless among the Muslims (Wahabbi Sunni, Talaban, AlQaeda, ISIS, et al) will never accept the existance of a Jewish State and we should stop pretending any different, accept Israel now includes the West Bank AND the Golan, it's capital IS Jerusalem (with an International Zone around the "Old City" that is sacrid to all the Abrahamic religions), and the Arab State for the Muslims remaining inside Israel is Jordan, and do al we can to facilitate their movement to their homeland that was set up for them, and then denied by their Arab Brethern, since 1948.

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@john258 wrote:

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Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


Please supply all the details on  samo-samo so we will understand how it did not work as you say.


By the numbers:

1) doing the same thing for 70 years hasn't worked, Israeli civilians are still being murdered;

2) see #1.


That make no sense since they have not been doing the same thing for over 70 years, and civilians on both sides are being killed. So after you rethink your samo-samo let us know all the details on your new answer.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


It has been on simmer but The Moron managed to toss a pineapple in there and make, yet another, mess.  I have come to the conclusion that he never negotiated so much as the purchase of a ham sandwich in all his life.  Last I heard, the Trump death toll was four. Has it gone up in the last few days?

 

For 70 years the "simmer" and the "boil over" have alternated. Are you happy with that or might something new be tried?



It is always good to try new approaches, but this approach was simply  a giveaway to Netanyahu  and that is the only thing that was new in all of this. 


This has been proposed by Presidents roughly for the past 30 years, it has been endorsed by Members of Congress over the same time period. Israel has had five PMs over that time frame. So, it is apparently about more than Bibi.

 

Hanukkah Sameakh and a Happy Festivus

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@john258 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


Please supply all the details on  samo-samo so we will understand how it did not work as you say.


By the numbers:

1) doing the same thing for 70 years hasn't worked, Israeli civilians are still being murdered;

2) see #1.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


It has been on simmer but The Moron managed to toss a pineapple in there and make, yet another, mess.  I have come to the conclusion that he never negotiated so much as the purchase of a ham sandwich in all his life.  Last I heard, the Trump death toll was four. Has it gone up in the last few days?

 

For 70 years the "simmer" and the "boil over" have alternated. Are you happy with that or might something new be tried?



It is always good to try new approaches, but this approach was simply  a giveaway to Netanyahu  and that is the only thing that was new in all of this. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


Please supply all the details on  samo-samo so we will understand how it did not work as you say.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


It has been on simmer but The Moron managed to toss a pineapple in there and make, yet another, mess.  I have come to the conclusion that he never negotiated so much as the purchase of a ham sandwich in all his life.  Last I heard, the Trump death toll was four. Has it gone up in the last few days?

 

For 70 years the "simmer" and the "boil over" have alternated. Are you happy with that or might something new be tried?


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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.


It has been on simmer but The Moron managed to toss a pineapple in there and make, yet another, mess.  I have come to the conclusion that he never negotiated so much as the purchase of a ham sandwich in all his life.  Last I heard, the Trump death toll was four. Has it gone up in the last few days?

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Do you have actual quotes to support that theory? If so, we are looking at amazing naivete. The violence against Israeli civilians has been going on since 1947 - it needs no excuse.


It also does not need some moron stirring the pot. Has this idiot ever negotiated a deal in his life?


The pot has been on permanent "stir? for 70 years. So many alrernate approaches have been tried and failed. Will this work - who knows?But samo-samo sure hasn't.

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Did Der Clinton, Der Bush and Der Obama also have the same Pinocchio syndrome? After all, they all expressed the same desire for us to do what President Trump did.

 

And all were intelligent and prudent in their actions....accept the pinhead in office now.  Some just prefer to be the bull in a china shop.


 Sounds like "kick the can down the road" is the policy you are advocating. Of course that's how you would "spin it", but the fact is, it can be continually postponed until a deal is made.  You see?  There were few deaths before and no they're spiking again.  It's a shame Conservatives don't care about life.  No harm was done to either party leaving it as it was. As in the case with NK, eventually some action is required. What was the "requirement" in Jerusalem?

 

As to the "peace process" - it has been going on for decades with no success - and the embassy not moved. So you're saying this is trumps skilled negotiating "at work". So, the advantage of  continuing the same course is not clear.  So just let people die....  The advantage WAS clear.....but I understand, Fascists don't care about lives...


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