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   There was an interesting discussion posted by NPR on why or how white nationalist became mainstreamish in the US.    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/16/704137555/former-neo-nazi-white-supremacy-is-certainly-not-a-fringe-m...

 

    The only White Nationalist that is sitting in Congress, just happens to be a Republican.   


Oh my and sigh, I assume you mean King. He is an American nationalist (not a bad thing for an American politician to be) and his skin is white. Does that make him a white nationalist?


Speaking of King. Well guess what appeared on his website. An article about Civil War in the US by White Nationalists. It was taken down, and King said one of his staffers put it up, not him. So the answer to your question is yes he is a White Nationalist. He lost all his committee assignments this year due to that. Even most of the Reb. have turned against him. Our  enablers support him inspite of all that.


Yeah, there was something in the paper about that. As I understand it it was saying if they start it, they will lose. The paper's big objection was that it mis-charactorized Iowa.

 

I do not see that as evidence of any such thing as is being claimed.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Ike once observed that "the only usable part of the road is the middle. The extremes on either side are the gutters".

 

Fact is Nixon's Southern Strategy has shifted the topography so the right side is now ALL GUTTER.

 

There is some hope - a few Republican Senators have grown spines (for awhile at least) and oppose the ToadPOTUS attempt to circumvent the division of power in his insane quest to use 12the Century technology to solve a 21st Century problem. A few more, and they can over-ride his veto, and then vote to convict when the Mueller report is made public and lil donny's numerous felony crimes result in impeachment.

 

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"Fences - good; steel barrier - bad" in some way indicates "right wing extremism".

 

Strange, truly strange.

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   There was an interesting discussion posted by NPR on why or how white nationalist became mainstreamish in the US.    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/16/704137555/former-neo-nazi-white-supremacy-is-certainly-not-a-fringe-m...

 

    The only White Nationalist that is sitting in Congress, just happens to be a Republican.   


Oh my and sigh, I assume you mean King. He is an American nationalist (not a bad thing for an American politician to be) and his skin is white. Does that make him a white nationalist?


Speaking of King. Well guess what appeared on his website. An article about Civil War in the US by White Nationalists. It was taken down, and King said one of his staffers put it up, not him. So the answer to your question is yes he is a White Nationalist. He lost all his committee assignments this year due to that. Even most of the Reb. have turned against him. Our  enablers support him inspite of all that.

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Ike once observed that "the only usable part of the road is the middle. The extremes on either side are the gutters".

 

Fact is Nixon's Southern Strategy has shifted the topography so the right side is now ALL GUTTER.

 

There is some hope - a few Republican Senators have grown spines (for awhile at least) and oppose the ToadPOTUS attempt to circumvent the division of power in his insane quest to use 12the Century technology to solve a 21st Century problem. A few more, and they can over-ride his veto, and then vote to convict when the Mueller report is made public and lil donny's numerous felony crimes result in impeachment.

 

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Very good article gruffstuff and I wholeheartedly agree.

 

It’s Time to Talk About Right-Wing Extremism

 

"That dataset shows that attacks by right-wing extremists outnumber those by left-wing groups more than 17 to one. Or you could use the one compiled by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which since the rise of the “alt-right” in 2014, has documented 43 people killed and more than 60 injured by young men whose social media use evinced a similar ideology — and often a “lone-wolf” style familiar from other forms of terrorism. And this was before Parkland.

In short, from a standpoint of scale, trends, and impact, we have a problem that shouldn’t require what-aboutism or ignoring the bulk of the problem."

 

I couldn't sleep last night, have spent hours reading social media and articles.  Most especially looking at the many Bikers for Trump pages.  No holds barred.  They are ready to rally at the drop of a hat.  One tweet would do it.  They are organized and there are millions.  Within them are the trained militias who are ready to take action should their Second Amendment rights even be perceived as threatened.  They have been waiting for years for this.

 

I saw an overriding theme that is not as much that they need to be physically, personally or individually threatened for the call to arms to activate.  Trump has done that for them.  They overwhelmingly believe he is being threatened and that is who they will protect, because he is protecting them.  Their beliefs, their way of life, their nationalism.  He has provided them all the fuel necessary and then more.  So many - "Whatever the man says, that is what we do"!

 

The more legal trouble he has, the more they stand up for him.  They do not in any way even question legalities, rule of law or justice system.  Not interested, all lies.  Flat out, those are the enemies of trump.  It is a brotherhood and sisterhood of protection.  The more there are, the stronger the rhetoric, the stronger their bonds to each other.  The president of the US has formed a massive, violent criminal gang.  A million or more bike rally in DC and across the nation, ride the halls of Congress.  Mueller needs to be taken out, he's the dems shill.  Manafort needs to be pardoned.  You stand up for and help "your people"!

 

They are honored dt included them in his "tough" supportive role.  They are organizing bikers and truckers, heading to the border as volunteers to "help" the president.  They hate who he hates.  In no way is this a lone wolf danger.  This is a massive, nationwide connected army.   We are in a world of trouble, death and destruction if something is not 'somehow' done soon.  It is not when, it is now.  It is a civil war brewing with every tweet, every coded sentence, every enemy he names, and every poor me the victim play that dt spits out of his face.   


Extremism is certainly something that is worthy of serious looking at. It is a shame that some will make it a partisan issue (as in the title) and thereby weaken an honest looking.

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@afisher wrote:

   There was an interesting discussion posted by NPR on why or how white nationalist became mainstreamish in the US.    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/16/704137555/former-neo-nazi-white-supremacy-is-certainly-not-a-fringe-m...

 

    The only White Nationalist that is sitting in Congress, just happens to be a Republican.   


Oh my and sigh, I assume you mean King. He is an American nationalist (not a bad thing for an American politician to be) and his skin is white. Does that make him a white nationalist?

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rk9152:   However, killing people is not part of either. And throwing "right wing extremism" into the mix does nothing to help the problem.

 

 

 

Throwing "right wing extremism" into the mix identifies which side owns the extremists. You can try to deny it 'til the cows come home, but everyone knows which side they call home.


No logic in that.

 

Let's say that CPUSA supports Dem ideology - could we then say that Dems are Communists. Let's say that Black Nationalist supported Obama for President - could we then say that Obama is a Black Nationalist?

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Step one in ending mass murder in the USA is to eliminate semi-automatic weapons in the civilian sector.

 

Do that, and mass murder is still POSSIBLE, but it will no longer be incredibly EASY.

 

Don't do that and mass murder remains an easy option for any psychopath with a couple hundred bucks.

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Very good article gruffstuff and I wholeheartedly agree.

 

It’s Time to Talk About Right-Wing Extremism

 

"That dataset shows that attacks by right-wing extremists outnumber those by left-wing groups more than 17 to one. Or you could use the one compiled by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which since the rise of the “alt-right” in 2014, has documented 43 people killed and more than 60 injured by young men whose social media use evinced a similar ideology — and often a “lone-wolf” style familiar from other forms of terrorism. And this was before Parkland.

In short, from a standpoint of scale, trends, and impact, we have a problem that shouldn’t require what-aboutism or ignoring the bulk of the problem."

 

I couldn't sleep last night, have spent hours reading social media and articles.  Most especially looking at the many Bikers for Trump pages.  No holds barred.  They are ready to rally at the drop of a hat.  One tweet would do it.  They are organized and there are millions.  Within them are the trained militias who are ready to take action should their Second Amendment rights even be perceived as threatened.  They have been waiting for years for this.

 

I saw an overriding theme that is not as much that they need to be physically, personally or individually threatened for the call to arms to activate.  Trump has done that for them.  They overwhelmingly believe he is being threatened and that is who they will protect, because he is protecting them.  Their beliefs, their way of life, their nationalism.  He has provided them all the fuel necessary and then more.  So many - "Whatever the man says, that is what we do"!

 

The more legal trouble he has, the more they stand up for him.  They do not in any way even question legalities, rule of law or justice system.  Not interested, all lies.  Flat out, those are the enemies of trump.  It is a brotherhood and sisterhood of protection.  The more there are, the stronger the rhetoric, the stronger their bonds to each other.  The president of the US has formed a massive, violent criminal gang.  A million or more bike rally in DC and across the nation, ride the halls of Congress.  Mueller needs to be taken out, he's the dems shill.  Manafort needs to be pardoned.  You stand up for and help "your people"!

 

They are honored dt included them in his "tough" supportive role.  They are organizing bikers and truckers, heading to the border as volunteers to "help" the president.  They hate who he hates.  In no way is this a lone wolf danger.  This is a massive, nationwide connected army.   We are in a world of trouble, death and destruction if something is not 'somehow' done soon.  It is not when, it is now.  It is a civil war brewing with every tweet, every coded sentence, every enemy he names, and every poor me the victim play that dt spits out of his face.   

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   There was an interesting discussion posted by NPR on why or how white nationalist became mainstreamish in the US.    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/16/704137555/former-neo-nazi-white-supremacy-is-certainly-not-a-fringe-m...

 

    The only White Nationalist that is sitting in Congress, just happens to be a Republican.   

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