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Ocasio-Cortez is a laughable nutjob!  


Yup and the Radical Left like me - Love Her

 

The Entire Republican Party is afraid of her & she's still a Rookie in Politics

 

Ask this guy who she beat if he thinks she's laughable

 

Joseph Crowley is an American politician who served as the U.S. Representative for New York's 14th congressional district from 1999 to 2019. He represented the 7th district from 1999 to 2013 and was Chair of the House Democratic Caucus from 2017 until 2019.

 

Ha Ha that's Funny huh?

 

She's a Freshman US House Representative for 2 weeks & she's got the the Entire Right Wing Conservative Republican Party Establishment Giving Her More National Name Recognition - than Millions in TV Ads could have ever achieved

 

That's Real Fear - the Mighty Republican Party hasn't spent this much time & effort on Demagoguing Nancy Pelosi the One Democrat who right now is desexualizing the self-avowed Greatest Deal Maker in History who's position he holds was once recognized as the most Powerful Man on Earth

 

 Based on your "coverage" theory, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, WaPo, NBC, ABC, NYT, etc. etc. etc. have come over to the right side.

 

 

 


 


No it simply proves - the Media is unbiased and reports to the American People what their Elected Officals say

 

What they are saying is a Freshman Congress Woman with No Political Experience - the Youngest Woman to ever serve in the US Congress

 

Has got them all AFRAID

 

BTW -

 

In 1945 there was 6 Democratic Woman in the House - 5 Republicans

 

In 1945 in the Senate there were 0 Democratic Woman in the House - 0 Republican

 

In 2019 there are 89 Democratic Woman in the House - 13 Republicans

 

In 2019 there are 17 Democratic Woman in the Senate - 8 Republican

 

It's Fairly easy to see why AOC is such a Threat to Republicans

 

in 1995 there were the same Total # of Republican Woman in Congress as Today in 2019 (21)

 

There are 106 Democratic Woman in Congress Today - 36 in 1995

 

Source - http://cawp.rutgers.edu/history-women-us-congress

 

 

 No, it just proves you were colorfully wrong about your claim as to who was giving her all the publicity. 

 

And - what makes you think anyone is afraid of her because of her genitalia? I personally am turned off by her ideology, not her gender (that sort of thing is a left concern).

 

 


 


Well what motivates you personally might interest someone somewhere...........but I think we all know you don't live anywhere near New Yorks 14th District - so it's kind of a moot point for you & the most of the rest of the Trump Cult

 

But I'm sure AOC's appreciates the Status ya'll are elevating her too

 

I don't think she even has any major Committee Assignments in the US House & yet the Trump Cult is already claiming she has set the National Democratic Parties Policy Platform

 

Sometimes you folks can get really really all twisted up in the weeds huh?

 

Funny stuff............

 

 I have no IDEA what percentage of OUR posters live in NY's 14th. But I do know what percentage of OUR POSTERS are discussing this (and other) topic.

 

I have not seen anyone here say she has set the DNC's platform. I personally say she represents the neoMarxism of the Progressive Movement which is starting to come out of the closet.

 

So, what are the weeds you see in that?

 

 


 

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You say that Scout posts " the same old fraudulent numbers". You say that scout's TMR numbers are  "phony TMR numbers".  As usual you offer no documentation or sources proving them to be false or incorrect. Why is that? Because you can't? Post them if you have them.

 

The TMR does not indicate how much anyone paid nor their percentage of the total take by the Treasury. I posted meaningful numbers showing that the hated 1%ers actually paid more after the dreaded Reagan tax cuts as well as today.


 


You had a typo error, you posted meaningless numbers that proved nothing. If an individual group of people earn 90 % of the total earnings in America, they should pay 90% of the total taxes collected.

 

You said that Scout's numbers were "phony" ........... prove it.


I did - the TMR he constantly whines about has not stopped an increase in the actual taxes paid by the Oligarchs, etc.

 

Consider it proved evaded

 

If you pay HALF THE RATE you should have paid, but steal over twice as much from the 99%, the AMOUNT you pay will increase, and that is what the Oligaqrchs have done for DECADES.


We are talking about the proper amount of tax to pay, not your theory of the income of some people "stealing" because they have more than you.

 

Also, are you sure it is sufficient to seize the property of only the top 1%? How about the richest 20% - they are also doing pretty well. And just imagine how much more that would put into the redistribution pot.

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Olderscout wrote-This is why the GOPerLords tell their dupes to ONLY discuss FEDERAL INCOME TAX when explaining why the Uberrich are so overburdened and deserve even MORE tax cuts--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So if you want to go down that road and include all taxes ,you have to include all the other taxes the rich also pay. This could easily go close to 60 % of their annual pay when you include Federal ,state,local, property tax,sales tax etc.(the sales tax on that yacht can cost more than a new car) Two days ago,a news reporter was compaining in NYC said   50 cent of every dollar she earns goes to taxes. (not a rich person).


Story I saw said she made $200,000p.a., pretty good wages even in NYC. What she gets from living in the city is THE CITY - paid for with those taxes. Want lower taxes? Move to Bozeman MT.

 

What the GOPers taxscam did was FORCIBLY EVICT us from the Eden our Parents and Grandparents had built for us and dropped us in a banana republic with nukes. Why? So the 1% didn't have to share the wonders of living in Eden. I'm proposing we REPOSSESS what had been ours AND KEEP IT.

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Meaningless as those other taxes that "level the field" are ignored because the GOPerLords don't what the field leveled. Here's a short analysis of what taxes cost the average worker (income $74,644) from The Motley Fool:

With that in mind, the average American pays $10,489 in "personal taxes," representing 14% of the average household's total income. This includes federal and state income taxes, as well as other taxes such as personal property taxes, vehicle taxes, and certain other small taxes.

$8,367 of this amount is federal income taxes, $2,046 is state and local taxes, and $75 is other small taxes.

Notably, there are two types of taxes that are not included in this figure -- sales taxes, which vary significantly by location, and payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

Social Security's income from payroll taxes, as well as taxes on Social Security benefits, came to $710.4 billion in 2016. Since half of Social Security taxes are paid by employees, and the other half by employers, this translates to an average of $2,742 for each of the 129.55 million U.S. households.

For Medicare, the total payroll tax collected in 2016 (the most recent year with complete data) divided by the number of American households shows an average Medicare tax of $979 per household. This is consistent with a 2017 Medicare tax estimate I calculated of about $769 per worker, since the BLS approximates there are 1.3 workers per household.

Sales tax is tougher to estimate, and since it varies so widely based on consumption and location, the average isn't terribly meaningful. For example, the average Delaware resident pays $0 in state sales taxes. Even within the same income level and state, there can be a big discrepancy. If two residents of a state with a 7% sales tax both earn $100,000, but one spends $30,000 while the other spends $60,000 on taxable purchases, the second person will have paid double the sales tax.

The bottom line is that excluding sales tax, the average American household paid $14,210 in various taxes in 2016, the most recent year for which finalized data is available. This translates to an effective tax rate of about 24% for the average household.

 

And since the average family's savings rate is only 2%, the sales tax (est 7%) would apply to 74% of income, bringing the AVERAGE household's tax burden to 29%. Then there's the "employer share" of SS which is the "property" of the worker and adds an additional (2742/74,644=) 3.8%, bringing the AVERAGE American's total tax burden to 32.8% of their total income.

 

This is why the GOPerLords tell their dupes to ONLY discuss FEDERAL INCOME TAX when explaining why the Uberrich are so overburdened and deserve even MORE tax cuts so they can dribble a golden shower down on the rest of us.

 

Compare this to the top 1%'s "burden" of 26% for all THEIR Federal taxes and see if you still think the 1% is needing a tax cut.

 

As has previously been shown the high end is already paying more than their fair share while the lower end isn't. So, rather than further burden the ones already carrying the heavy load, maybe we should look at the other side of the equation and cut spending.

 

It has been reported for years that the "entitlement" programs are going to bankrupt us. Maybe we should cut back on them - but it seems the left wants to only add to such spending.


Poor poor rich snowflakes - they've had their "burden" cut IN HALF for the last 32 years, and even the suggestion they pay the same tax rates their parents and grand parents handled without missing a beat is terrifying for them and for their adoring fans.

 

By the way, to "be a burden" something has to cause a problem for the one carrying it. This was not a problem for the rich when the TMR was 91% and it sure wasn't when it was 70% - NOBODY gave up their cushy jobs because they were paying too much tax.

 

Contrast the fair share of taxation for the rich with the results of the Reagan scam that shifted the burden to the Middle Class.

 

For those in the Middle, College is no longer affordable, they have to deal every day with the crumpling infrastructure, streets are no longer safe because we've not kept our police and fire departments up to the job and the only thing we lead the developed world in is homicides by gun.

 

Read Mark 12:41-44 or Luke 21:1-4 and see if that will explain the meaning of "sacrifice" and why the amount is totally irrelevant in whether or not it is a "burden".

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You totally ignore the deficit created by the “welfare program aka tax cut for the wealthy” that was imposed by repubs. Why don’t we look at rescinding the tax cuts?

Back to topic, maybe AOC at least wants

to reopen that discussion! Along with many other common sense citizens. 

 

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Meaningless as those other taxes that "level the field" are ignored because the GOPerLords don't what the field leveled. Here's a short analysis of what taxes cost the average worker (income $74,644) from The Motley Fool:

With that in mind, the average American pays $10,489 in "personal taxes," representing 14% of the average household's total income. This includes federal and state income taxes, as well as other taxes such as personal property taxes, vehicle taxes, and certain other small taxes.

$8,367 of this amount is federal income taxes, $2,046 is state and local taxes, and $75 is other small taxes.

Notably, there are two types of taxes that are not included in this figure -- sales taxes, which vary significantly by location, and payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

Social Security's income from payroll taxes, as well as taxes on Social Security benefits, came to $710.4 billion in 2016. Since half of Social Security taxes are paid by employees, and the other half by employers, this translates to an average of $2,742 for each of the 129.55 million U.S. households.

For Medicare, the total payroll tax collected in 2016 (the most recent year with complete data) divided by the number of American households shows an average Medicare tax of $979 per household. This is consistent with a 2017 Medicare tax estimate I calculated of about $769 per worker, since the BLS approximates there are 1.3 workers per household.

Sales tax is tougher to estimate, and since it varies so widely based on consumption and location, the average isn't terribly meaningful. For example, the average Delaware resident pays $0 in state sales taxes. Even within the same income level and state, there can be a big discrepancy. If two residents of a state with a 7% sales tax both earn $100,000, but one spends $30,000 while the other spends $60,000 on taxable purchases, the second person will have paid double the sales tax.

The bottom line is that excluding sales tax, the average American household paid $14,210 in various taxes in 2016, the most recent year for which finalized data is available. This translates to an effective tax rate of about 24% for the average household.

 

And since the average family's savings rate is only 2%, the sales tax (est 7%) would apply to 74% of income, bringing the AVERAGE household's tax burden to 29%. Then there's the "employer share" of SS which is the "property" of the worker and adds an additional (2742/74,644=) 3.8%, bringing the AVERAGE American's total tax burden to 32.8% of their total income.

 

This is why the GOPerLords tell their dupes to ONLY discuss FEDERAL INCOME TAX when explaining why the Uberrich are so overburdened and deserve even MORE tax cuts so they can dribble a golden shower down on the rest of us.

 

Compare this to the top 1%'s "burden" of 26% for all THEIR Federal taxes and see if you still think the 1% is needing a tax cut.

 

As has previously been shown the high end is already paying more than their fair share while the lower end isn't. So, rather than further burden the ones already carrying the heavy load, maybe we should look at the other side of the equation and cut spending.

 

It has been reported for years that the "entitlement" programs are going to bankrupt us. Maybe we should cut back on them - but it seems the left wants to only add to such spending.

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Olderscout wrote-This is why the GOPerLords tell their dupes to ONLY discuss FEDERAL INCOME TAX when explaining why the Uberrich are so overburdened and deserve even MORE tax cuts--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So if you want to go down that road and include all taxes ,you have to include all the other taxes the rich also pay. This could easily go close to 60 % of their annual pay when you include Federal ,state,local, property tax,sales tax etc.(the sales tax on that yacht can cost more than a new car) Two days ago,a news reporter was compaining in NYC said   50 cent of every dollar she earns goes to taxes. (not a rich person).

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Meaningless as those other taxes that "level the field" are ignored because the GOPerLords don't what the field leveled. Here's a short analysis of what taxes cost the average worker (income $74,644) from The Motley Fool:

With that in mind, the average American pays $10,489 in "personal taxes," representing 14% of the average household's total income. This includes federal and state income taxes, as well as other taxes such as personal property taxes, vehicle taxes, and certain other small taxes.

$8,367 of this amount is federal income taxes, $2,046 is state and local taxes, and $75 is other small taxes.

Notably, there are two types of taxes that are not included in this figure -- sales taxes, which vary significantly by location, and payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

Social Security's income from payroll taxes, as well as taxes on Social Security benefits, came to $710.4 billion in 2016. Since half of Social Security taxes are paid by employees, and the other half by employers, this translates to an average of $2,742 for each of the 129.55 million U.S. households.

For Medicare, the total payroll tax collected in 2016 (the most recent year with complete data) divided by the number of American households shows an average Medicare tax of $979 per household. This is consistent with a 2017 Medicare tax estimate I calculated of about $769 per worker, since the BLS approximates there are 1.3 workers per household.

Sales tax is tougher to estimate, and since it varies so widely based on consumption and location, the average isn't terribly meaningful. For example, the average Delaware resident pays $0 in state sales taxes. Even within the same income level and state, there can be a big discrepancy. If two residents of a state with a 7% sales tax both earn $100,000, but one spends $30,000 while the other spends $60,000 on taxable purchases, the second person will have paid double the sales tax.

The bottom line is that excluding sales tax, the average American household paid $14,210 in various taxes in 2016, the most recent year for which finalized data is available. This translates to an effective tax rate of about 24% for the average household.

 

And since the average family's savings rate is only 2%, the sales tax (est 7%) would apply to 74% of income, bringing the AVERAGE household's tax burden to 29%. Then there's the "employer share" of SS which is the "property" of the worker and adds an additional (2742/74,644=) 3.8%, bringing the AVERAGE American's total tax burden to 32.8% of their total income.

 

This is why the GOPerLords tell their dupes to ONLY discuss FEDERAL INCOME TAX when explaining why the Uberrich are so overburdened and deserve even MORE tax cuts so they can dribble a golden shower down on the rest of us.

 

Compare this to the top 1%'s "burden" of 26% for all THEIR Federal taxes and see if you still think the 1% is needing a tax cut.

 
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You say that Scout posts " the same old fraudulent numbers". You say that scout's TMR numbers are  "phony TMR numbers".  As usual you offer no documentation or sources proving them to be false or incorrect. Why is that? Because you can't? Post them if you have them.

 

The TMR does not indicate how much anyone paid nor their percentage of the total take by the Treasury. I posted meaningful numbers showing that the hated 1%ers actually paid more after the dreaded Reagan tax cuts as well as today.


 


You had a typo error, you posted meaningless numbers that proved nothing. If an individual group of people earn 90 % of the total earnings in America, they should pay 90% of the total taxes collected.

 

You said that Scout's numbers were "phony" ........... prove it.


I did - the TMR he constantly whines about has not stopped an increase in the actual taxes paid by the Oligarchs, etc.

 

Consider it proved.


You "prove" nothing but tell me to "consider it proved". Common among trump supporters.

 

If a particular group earns 90% of the total earnings in America, they should pay 90% of the total taxes collected. They don't, so the TMR needs raised.


Fair enough - I found a chart stating that in 2015 (sorry nothing newer) the top 1% earned 20.65% and paid 39.04% of the total. That would indicate that should get a tax cut.

 

And then we have the 47% (or whatever it is now) who pay zippo in fact due to EITC actually get a refund on taxes they didn't pay.

 

Care to talk about "fair share"?


So where's your "chart" and who made it? No sources? More 'spin.


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No need to apologize to rk. There was also discussion of taxation. 

@mickstuder

To follow up on your comments on Women in government:

trump and his repubs fear AOC, fear Pelousi, have and still fear Hillary, and do and will fear Harris, Warren, or other female candidates for President, or Women in positions of power

-repubs fear Women with power. 

-most repubs in power are older white guys. 

-how many women have been appointed to positions of power? 

-they want the 50’s back, women were only good enough to raise kids, cook, and clean house...women making important decisions, perish the thought!

In repubs eyes, Women are not worthy. Why are women leaving the repub party because of what trump says or does?

Oh, and what about repubs and minorities!?

 

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