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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is already making enemies in the House Democratic Caucus — and some of its members are mounting an operation to bring the anti-establishment, democratic socialist with 2.2 million Twitter followers into the fold.
She’s barely been in Congress a week and she is better known than almost any other House member other than Nancy Pelosi. A media throng follows her every move, and she can command a national audience practically at will.


Ocasio-Cortez is an enigma to most House Democrats. She’s very friendly in person, chatting up fellow lawmakers and security workers in the Capitol as she’s tailed by admirers and reporters.
Then they see the Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter, where she frequently snaps at critics and occasionally at fellow Democrats.


Two House Democratic sources compared her use of Twitter to Donald Trump’s.


Just as congressional Republicans constantly withhold criticism of the president out of fear he’ll unleash a tweet at them, some Democrats have done the same with Ocasio-Cortez.
“People are afraid of her,” said one senior Democratic aide.


Ocasio-Cortez’s willingness to take on her party establishment with unconventional guerrilla tactics is what got her here. It’s earned her icon status on the progressive left, it’s where the 29-year-old freshman derives her power — and, by every indication, it’s how she thinks she can pull the Democratic Party in her direction.


Some Democrats are hoping to coax her into using her star power to unite Democrats and turn her fire on Republicans.

“I’m sure Ms. Cortez means well, but there’s almost an outstanding rule: Don’t attack your own people,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.).


“She’s new here, feeling her way around,” added Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.). “She doesn’t understand how the place works yet.”


But Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), the former head of the House Progressive Caucus, said Democrats should probably get used to Ocasio-Cortez.
She’s “going to force some of the members to have to align with or against her,” he said. “In that sense, I would assume that can be irritating to some.”
“Maybe it’s the aunt or uncle you didn’t want to invite to the wedding,” Grijalva added, but Ocasio-Cortez “is part of the family.”

 

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I've waited to see it but it didn't appear. I was amused that the books and certain verses were taken and used, Mark and Luke but the book Matthew was not mentioned or the verse 42-43 from Chapter 25 were not mentioned.  I pondered and have pondered on this...but God help me, it definitely needed to be inserted. Hmm???  Smiley Frustrated I have to also report to my Higher Powers.

 


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Meaningless as those other taxes that "level the field" are ignored because the GOPerLords don't what the field leveled. Here's a short analysis of what taxes cost the average worker (income $74,644) from The Motley Fool:

With that in mind, the average American pays $10,489 in "personal taxes," representing 14% of the average household's total income. This includes federal and state income taxes, as well as other taxes such as personal property taxes, vehicle taxes, and certain other small taxes.

$8,367 of this amount is federal income taxes, $2,046 is state and local taxes, and $75 is other small taxes.

Notably, there are two types of taxes that are not included in this figure -- sales taxes, which vary significantly by location, and payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

Social Security's income from payroll taxes, as well as taxes on Social Security benefits, came to $710.4 billion in 2016. Since half of Social Security taxes are paid by employees, and the other half by employers, this translates to an average of $2,742 for each of the 129.55 million U.S. households.

For Medicare, the total payroll tax collected in 2016 (the most recent year with complete data) divided by the number of American households shows an average Medicare tax of $979 per household. This is consistent with a 2017 Medicare tax estimate I calculated of about $769 per worker, since the BLS approximates there are 1.3 workers per household.

Sales tax is tougher to estimate, and since it varies so widely based on consumption and location, the average isn't terribly meaningful. For example, the average Delaware resident pays $0 in state sales taxes. Even within the same income level and state, there can be a big discrepancy. If two residents of a state with a 7% sales tax both earn $100,000, but one spends $30,000 while the other spends $60,000 on taxable purchases, the second person will have paid double the sales tax.

The bottom line is that excluding sales tax, the average American household paid $14,210 in various taxes in 2016, the most recent year for which finalized data is available. This translates to an effective tax rate of about 24% for the average household.

 

And since the average family's savings rate is only 2%, the sales tax (est 7%) would apply to 74% of income, bringing the AVERAGE household's tax burden to 29%. Then there's the "employer share" of SS which is the "property" of the worker and adds an additional (2742/74,644=) 3.8%, bringing the AVERAGE American's total tax burden to 32.8% of their total income.

 

This is why the GOPerLords tell their dupes to ONLY discuss FEDERAL INCOME TAX when explaining why the Uberrich are so overburdened and deserve even MORE tax cuts so they can dribble a golden shower down on the rest of us.

 

Compare this to the top 1%'s "burden" of 26% for all THEIR Federal taxes and see if you still think the 1% is needing a tax cut.

 

As has previously been shown the high end is already paying more than their fair share while the lower end isn't. So, rather than further burden the ones already carrying the heavy load, maybe we should look at the other side of the equation and cut spending.

 

It has been reported for years that the "entitlement" programs are going to bankrupt us. Maybe we should cut back on them - but it seems the left wants to only add to such spending.


Poor poor rich snowflakes - they've had their "burden" cut IN HALF for the last 32 years, and even the suggestion they pay the same tax rates their parents and grand parents handled without missing a beat is terrifying for them and for their adoring fans.

 

By the way, to "be a burden" something has to cause a problem for the one carrying it. This was not a problem for the rich when the TMR was 91% and it sure wasn't when it was 70% - NOBODY gave up their cushy jobs because they were paying too much tax.

 

Contrast the fair share of taxation for the rich with the results of the Reagan scam that shifted the burden to the Middle Class.

 

For those in the Middle, College is no longer affordable, they have to deal every day with the crumpling infrastructure, streets are no longer safe because we've not kept our police and fire departments up to the job and the only thing we lead the developed world in is homicides by gun.

 

Read Mark 12:41-44 or Luke 21:1-4 and see if that will explain the meaning of "sacrifice" and why the amount is totally irrelevant in whether or not it is a "burden".


 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

This is why the GOPerLords tell their dupes to ONLY discuss FEDERAL INCOME TAX when explaining why the Uberrich are so overburdened and deserve even MORE tax cuts so they can dribble a golden shower down on the rest of us.

 

Compare this to the top 1%'s "burden" of 26% for all THEIR Federal taxes and see if you still think the 1% is needing a tax cut.

 

First of all the top 1% pay 39% of all income taxes brought in and you have control of how much real estate tax, sales tax, and state income tax you pay by picking the state (to live in) that's best for YOU. Most BLUE states are expensive to live in since liberals want all kinds of "fake services" which costs money. If you spend a lot of money, live in a state like Delaware which has no sales tax. If you want really high taxes go to California, NY, Connecticut, or NJ which hammers you.

 

It is your CHOICE.

 

BTW- "The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (39.0 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (29.4 percent)."

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-federal-income-tax-data-2017/

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What is mind bending about OAC is that she sucking all the wind out of the Democratic party. Everyday she is in the news  about some outrageous radical  left wing  comments or ideas. Just look how many days this has been a topic on this board. There has been congress people who have been there for decades who nobody have heard of except in their individual district and she gets all the publicity.

 

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Der Trumper, a lifelong deadbeat fraudster who got rich by cheating his partners, stiffing his creditors and defrauding his customers, was elected because Putin made him SOUND like a Populist to his base when in reality all he shared with them was racism, sexism and xenophobia.

 

AOC understands that the Middle Class has been robbed by the Reagan taxscam and actually wants to end the robbery by restoring fairness to the tax code. Seems a lot of the victims are waking up to why they're unable to do as well as their parents, and it has NOTHING to do with Automation or Globalization.

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What is mind bending about OAC is that she sucking all the wind out of the Democratic party. Everyday she is in the news about some outrageous radical left wing comments or ideas. Just look how many days this has been a topic on this board. There has been congress people who have been there for decades who nobody have heard of except in their individual district and she gets all the publicity.

Had not really thought of her in this light. Perhaps she is smarter than she appears or has someone very smart backing her and pulling the puppet strings. Interesting...........
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What is mind bending about OAC is that she sucking all the wind out of the Democratic party. Everyday she is in the news  about some outrageous radical  left wing  comments or ideas. Just look how many days this has been a topic on this board. There has been congress people who have been there for decades who nobody have heard of except in their individual district and she gets all the publicity.

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@easyed598 wrote:


Meaningless as those other taxes that "level the field" are ignored because the GOPerLords don't what the field leveled. Here's a short analysis of what taxes cost the average worker (income $74,644) from The Motley Fool:

With that in mind, the average American pays $10,489 in "personal taxes," representing 14% of the average household's total income. This includes federal and state income taxes, as well as other taxes such as personal property taxes, vehicle taxes, and certain other small taxes.

$8,367 of this amount is federal income taxes, $2,046 is state and local taxes, and $75 is other small taxes.

Notably, there are two types of taxes that are not included in this figure -- sales taxes, which vary significantly by location, and payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

Social Security's income from payroll taxes, as well as taxes on Social Security benefits, came to $710.4 billion in 2016. Since half of Social Security taxes are paid by employees, and the other half by employers, this translates to an average of $2,742 for each of the 129.55 million U.S. households.

For Medicare, the total payroll tax collected in 2016 (the most recent year with complete data) divided by the number of American households shows an average Medicare tax of $979 per household. This is consistent with a 2017 Medicare tax estimate I calculated of about $769 per worker, since the BLS approximates there are 1.3 workers per household.

Sales tax is tougher to estimate, and since it varies so widely based on consumption and location, the average isn't terribly meaningful. For example, the average Delaware resident pays $0 in state sales taxes. Even within the same income level and state, there can be a big discrepancy. If two residents of a state with a 7% sales tax both earn $100,000, but one spends $30,000 while the other spends $60,000 on taxable purchases, the second person will have paid double the sales tax.

The bottom line is that excluding sales tax, the average American household paid $14,210 in various taxes in 2016, the most recent year for which finalized data is available. This translates to an effective tax rate of about 24% for the average household.

 

And since the average family's savings rate is only 2%, the sales tax (est 7%) would apply to 74% of income, bringing the AVERAGE household's tax burden to 29%. Then there's the "employer share" of SS which is the "property" of the worker and adds an additional (2742/74,644=) 3.8%, bringing the AVERAGE American's total tax burden to 32.8% of their total income.

 

This is why the GOPerLords tell their dupes to ONLY discuss FEDERAL INCOME TAX when explaining why the Uberrich are so overburdened and deserve even MORE tax cuts so they can dribble a golden shower down on the rest of us.

 

Compare this to the top 1%'s "burden" of 26% for all THEIR Federal taxes and see if you still think the 1% is needing a tax cut.

 

As has previously been shown the high end is already paying more than their fair share while the lower end isn't. So, rather than further burden the ones already carrying the heavy load, maybe we should look at the other side of the equation and cut spending.

 

It has been reported for years that the "entitlement" programs are going to bankrupt us. Maybe we should cut back on them - but it seems the left wants to only add to such spending.


Poor poor rich snowflakes - they've had their "burden" cut IN HALF for the last 32 years, and even the suggestion they pay the same tax rates their parents and grand parents handled without missing a beat is terrifying for them and for their adoring fans.

 

By the way, to "be a burden" something has to cause a problem for the one carrying it. This was not a problem for the rich when the TMR was 91% and it sure wasn't when it was 70% - NOBODY gave up their cushy jobs because they were paying too much tax.

 

Contrast the fair share of taxation for the rich with the results of the Reagan scam that shifted the burden to the Middle Class.

 

For those in the Middle, College is no longer affordable, they have to deal every day with the crumpling infrastructure, streets are no longer safe because we've not kept our police and fire departments up to the job and the only thing we lead the developed world in is homicides by gun.

 

Read Mark 12:41-44 or Luke 21:1-4 and see if that will explain the meaning of "sacrifice" and why the amount is totally irrelevant in whether or not it is a "burden".


The rich have not had their "burden" cut in half since the Reagan tax cuts and Mark did not say anything about the takers being entitled to the property of the makers.

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@williamb39198 wrote:

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You totally ignore the deficit created by the “welfare program aka tax cut for the wealthy” that was imposed by repubs. Why don’t we look at rescinding the tax cuts?

Back to topic, maybe AOC at least wants

to reopen that discussion! Along with many other common sense citizens. 

 

Never Forget


Trump, as did JFK, used the tax cut to improve the economy. Today our economy has improved, unemployment is down and employment is up.

 

Sounds like something other than "welfare for the rich".

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You say that Scout posts " the same old fraudulent numbers". You say that scout's TMR numbers are  "phony TMR numbers".  As usual you offer no documentation or sources proving them to be false or incorrect. Why is that? Because you can't? Post them if you have them.

 

The TMR does not indicate how much anyone paid nor their percentage of the total take by the Treasury. I posted meaningful numbers showing that the hated 1%ers actually paid more after the dreaded Reagan tax cuts as well as today.


 


You had a typo error, you posted meaningless numbers that proved nothing. If an individual group of people earn 90 % of the total earnings in America, they should pay 90% of the total taxes collected.

 

You said that Scout's numbers were "phony" ........... prove it.


I did - the TMR he constantly whines about has not stopped an increase in the actual taxes paid by the Oligarchs, etc.

 

Consider it proved.


You "prove" nothing but tell me to "consider it proved". Common among trump supporters.

 

If a particular group earns 90% of the total earnings in America, they should pay 90% of the total taxes collected. They don't, so the TMR needs raised.


Fair enough - I found a chart stating that in 2015 (sorry nothing newer) the top 1% earned 20.65% and paid 39.04% of the total. That would indicate that should get a tax cut.

 

And then we have the 47% (or whatever it is now) who pay zippo in fact due to EITC actually get a refund on taxes they didn't pay.

 

Care to talk about "fair share"?


So where's your "chart" and who made it? No sources? More 'spin.


So - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/45-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax-2016-02-24

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What is mind bending about OAC is that she sucking all the wind out of the Democratic party. Everyday she is in the news  about some outrageous radical  left wing  comments or ideas. Just look how many days this has been a topic on this board. There has been congress people who have been there for decades who nobody have heard of except in their individual district and she gets all the publicity. Before long the Republicans will be accused of keeping her up front and newsworthy as a Right Wing Conspiracy.

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