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Racists and bigots always defend racism, either directly or abstractly.


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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

Well, it's been good for trumps political rise. from his "Birther claims" to banning Muslims.  He's fostered hate for years.  Who would take a full page ad in 4 major newspapers to attack 5 minority teens and were found to be not guilty?

 

IMO, the question is a no-brainer, hate is never good for a country (see the impact on Germany and the Jewish population), but it HAS been good for trump....that should speak for itself.

 

Racism can be good for the majority race in their own narrow minds...it creates an easily recognizable target.  But I do disagree it's only the wealthy, though they do seem to be more emboldened under trump.


Don't think it's ONLY the wealthy?  What are the "benefits of racism? First and foremost, it divides the ones being screwed so they cannot take effective action against those doing the screwing. Whites in the bottom 99% perceive they're on the same side as the ones who took all their pay raises for the last 50 years.

 

Being on "the same side" they elect those who will continue to transfer the burden of supporting the Nation from the 1% to the 99% while moving the wealth to finance that support from the 99% to the 1%. The bottom 99% is left with the bill and no way to pay it, so THEY lose the support and services our grandparents worked so hard to pass on to us.

 

At this point the "racism" question becomes moot BECAUSE the 1% only recognizes ONE color - GREEN, and if you got lots of it , they could care less if your skin was mauve and your eyelids closed from the sides - you're one of them.

 

So it is true the VERY wealthy are not "racist" like most Republicans, but they want to keep all those Republicans racist as that is the sure way to protect the wealth of the wealthy and keep them from paying to support the Nation that provided their wealth.

 

So if you want to get back to the Nation we had until the mid-sixties, VOTE OUT THE NRAGOP and take back your right to an increase in pay for your increased productivity.

 

Otherwise your kids and grandkids will never be able to retire because Social Security and Medicare will be GONE as will the security of any investment plan available to the 99% and the only ones who don't have to work their entire lives will be the Oligarchs.

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"There is a poster here on this forum that repeatedly accuses the opposite political persuasion of racism despite the continuous exhibition of racism by his political persuasion.  The 'pot calling the kettle black'. "

 

One finds a similar attitude among the religious freedom group. To them, religious freedom means that some Christians should be allowed to do anything their beliefs allow despite laws and good sense rules not allowing.

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@xrepub wrote:

I thought that question had been answered long ago. The constitution and the laws of this country seem pretty clear on that question. Yet, the current POTUS and his supporters express an opposite view. How can this be?


There is a poster here on this forum that repeatedly accuses the opposite political persuasion of racism despite the continuous exhibition of racism by his political persuasion.  The 'pot calling the kettle black'. 

 

His point, as I understand it, is that someone who is not racist would completely ignore  differing characteristics of another person.  That is not consistent with the behaviour of life forms capable of recognizing difference....at least as research shows it to be. The mistrust of and the agression toward things different seems instinctive.  Could be a survival thing.

 

The time is past when that was a positive characteristic for humans.  We humans are now thought to be able to put  reason above instinct.  For some, humans or not, that does not seem to be the case.  Unfortunately.  

 

In the case of our current POTUS and his supporters, I'd suppose they fall more into an instinctive category of some sort OR into a category that deliberately and wilfully exploits the instinctive category for their own purposes.  What do you think?

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@xrepub wrote:


@ManicProgressive wrote:

The only America they care about is white Christian wealthy America.  And mostly about the men among that group. 

 

Everyone else is an existential threat. 


I cnn understand the support from white Christian wealthy America. That can be explained by greed. But how can you explain the support from white Christian non-wealthy America?

 


Well, IMO, wealthy whites actively used and continue to use racism in order to divide and conquer poor whites and poor blacks.   In early America, with slavery, poor people/slaves outnumbered the wealthy landowners, and therefore were a potential threat.   But if the wealthy divided poor whites and blacks with racism, it diluted their strength.  Racism made poor whites feel superior to poor blacks, and they gladly helped the wealthy landowners with their oppression of blacks, in an effort to validate their own worth.   They were taught to identify with white instead of economic class.  

 

As Lee Atwater said while in the Reagan Whitehouse:

 

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “**bleep**, **bleep**, **bleep**.” By 1968 you can’t say “**bleep**” — that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “**bleep**, **bleep**.”

 

Make black people the enemy, and you continue to exercise a measure of control over certain whites as well.   They just do it more abstractly today than they used to.   And still, it appeals to lower income whites.   


 
trump's despicable bleephole mouth and his despicable un-patriotic supporters are without the slightest amount of doubt still abstractly saying **bleep**, **bleep**, **bleep** - and they are also openly saying Mexican, Mexican, Mexican, and Muslim, Muslim, Muslim...

The vast majority of patriotic American Citizens deplore their words and attitudes, and have little if any respect for the lack of patriotism as well as lack of quality of character they are displaying... 

 

Trump and his supporters?   

 

Scumbags, scumbags, scumbags... 

 

 

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@xrepub wrote:


@ManicProgressive wrote:

The only America they care about is white Christian wealthy America.  And mostly about the men among that group. 

 

Everyone else is an existential threat. 


I cnn understand the support from white Christian wealthy America. That can be explained by greed. But how can you explain the support from white Christian non-wealthy America?

 


Well, IMO, wealthy whites actively used and continue to use racism in order to divide and conquer poor whites and poor blacks.   In early America, with slavery, poor people/slaves outnumbered the wealthy landowners, and therefore were a potential threat.   But if the wealthy divided poor whites and blacks with racism, it diluted their strength.  Racism made poor whites feel superior to poor blacks, and they gladly helped the wealthy landowners with their oppression of blacks, in an effort to validate their own worth.   They were taught to identify with white instead of economic class.  

 

As Lee Atwater said while in the Reagan Whitehouse:

 

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “**bleep**, **bleep**, **bleep**.” By 1968 you can’t say “**bleep**” — that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “**bleep**, **bleep**.”

 

Make black people the enemy, and you continue to exercise a measure of control over certain whites as well.   They just do it more abstractly today than they used to.   And still, it appeals to lower income whites.   

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Well, it's been good for trumps political rise. from his "Birther claims" to banning Muslims.  He's fostered hate for years.  Who would take a full page ad in 4 major newspapers to attack 5 minority teens and were found to be not guilty?

 

IMO, the question is a no-brainer, hate is never good for a country (see the impact on Germany and the Jewish population), but it HAS been good for trump....that should speak for itself.

 

Racism can be good for the majority race in their own narrow minds...it creates an easily recognizable target.  But I do disagree it's only the wealthy, though they do seem to be more emboldened under trump.


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@ManicProgressive wrote:

The only America they care about is white Christian wealthy America.  And mostly about the men among that group. 

 

Everyone else is an existential threat. 


I cnn understand the support from white Christian wealthy America. That can be explained by greed. But how can you explain the support from white Christian non-wealthy America?

 

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The only America they care about is white Christian wealthy America.  And mostly about the men among that group. 

 

Everyone else is an existential threat. 

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