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Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of …
opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

I don't know, looks like he is or is headed that way to me. IMO

Good point - you have have heard the call for a one Party system with a strong central government which owns all the money and decides who gets what. That has not come from Trump supporters.

 

Regimenting industry - such as taking over 1/6th of the economy (Obamacare) and putting the coal industry out of business.

 

Forcible suppression of opposition - I give you antifa.

 

Social regimentation - our colleges and universities are teaching that there is only one way to think - left - and are pushing it via the suppression of speakers and instructors with alternate views.

 

Aggressive nationalism?? Are we looking to take over any other countries?

 

You may be on to something but are looking in the wrong direction.

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chas - your source seems to put a lot of weight on "us vs them". I suggest you consider the actions of the "Resistance" and the thought by a poster that all Republicans below the Mason-Dixon Line are racists. Also consider "Republicans suck.

 

Now - which side of the ideological divide is pushing "us vs them"?


The fascists - and racists - who follow and support trump - Putin's "useful idiots".

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Yes!

 

Trump is a man who admires dictators around the world and he has no respect for the rule of law. He thinks the Justice Department is there to protect Comrade Trump.

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chas - your source seems to put a lot of weight on "us vs them". I suggest you consider the actions of the "Resistance" and the thought by a poster that all Republicans below the Mason-Dixon Line are racists. Also consider "Republicans suck.

 

Now - which side of the ideological divide is pushing "us vs them"?

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Is Trump A Fascist ? Is The U.S. Goverment?

 

handsome is as handsome does

  1. A person's good actions, rather than outward appeal, define his or her handsomeness in the eyes of others.

 

Fascism is as fascism does.

 

A person's or government's actions, rather then outward appeal, or words, define that person or that government as fascist, in the eyes of it's people, or the people of the world.

 

Do Trump's actions and the actions of Trump's government  define Trump as fascist in your eyes?

 

How many boxes in the facist check list are checked when applied to  Trump, Trump's goverment, and the Republican Party?

 

 

 

 https://rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

 

 

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

 

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

 

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

 

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 

 

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

 

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

 

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

 

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposedto the government's policies or actions.

 

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

 

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

 

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

 

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

 

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

 

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

 

 

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@angeleyes64 wrote:
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Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of …
opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

I don't know, looks like he is or is headed that way to me. IMO

This article really caught my eye and described many conditions that we are experiencing today. Many trump supporters won't even read an entire article that they perceive as being anti-trump in any way. Many will read with a blind eye. Many support some fascist ideals and don't even realize it. Some trump supporters are fascists and white supremacists and admit it. Some may be and will never admit it. It is up to Americans who don't support fascism to show up at the polls and vote accordingly.


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Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of …
opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

I don't know, looks like he is or is headed that way to me. IMO
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Is Trump a fascist? Learning about how fascism works can help prevent its spread in America
The fact that not all fascists are like Hitler doesn't change the fact that fascist tactics are recognizable, consistent and dangerous.
Sep.03.2018 / 3:48 AM ET
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A vigil is held in Boston on Aug. 13, 2017, in support of peaceful anti-fascist protesters following the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.Matthew J. Lee / Boston Globe via Getty Images
 

When I ask Jason Stanley if the current American government is fascist, he becomes very quiet.

If he thought the American government was fascist, Stanley responds, "I would never say it in an interview," he says. "It would be too dangerous." In other words, by the time the people in power have instituted fascism, it's too late to call it that.

 
 

Stanley adds that he does not think the current American government is fascist. But his new book, “How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them,” identifies a range of worrying signs that we are headed in that direction.

A philosophy professor at Yale, and the child of Holocaust survivors, Stanley has been concerned about the rise of conspiratorial fascist politics in the U.S. since at least 2011, when he wrote a New York Times op-ed about how propaganda erodes trust and truth. Bizarre claims that President Barack Obama was a Kenyan Muslim spy weren't meant to be taken at face value, Stanley argued. Rather, they were designed to undermine trust in anything Obama said, and in democratic politics in general.

 

"Fascist politics," Stanley writes in his new book, "replaces reasoned debate with fear and anger. When it is successful, its audience is left with a destabilized sense of loss, and a well of mistrust and anger against those who it has been told are responsible for that loss."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-fascist-learning-about-how-fascism-works-can-help-preven...


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