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YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING RISING TEMPERATURES ARE DUE TO INCREASED WATER VAPOR!  If you are now saying that is not the case, that pretty much invalidates your entire argument doesn't it.


And claiming it without even looking at a physics book. Here is a link to a study by NASA on the warming effect of more water vapor. The problem for AZ is that the cause of increased water vapor is the existing increase in temperatures caused by other greenhouse gasses.   it looks like Az's argument is the boiling pot of water is responsible for the blowtorch underneath it. 

 

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html


And thinking that a positive feedback loop will last forever.  This is the earth's natural way of trying to cool itself, until it becomes overwhelmed and extra water vapor turns from a positive loop into a negative loop by trapping more heat on the planet and preventing it from radiating into space. 

But, as you said, you need to understand basics and do some research, it is so much easier just thinking that you know more than the actual scientists because somebody else told you so.


Show me the equations.

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@Richva wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING RISING TEMPERATURES ARE DUE TO INCREASED WATER VAPOR!  If you are now saying that is not the case, that pretty much invalidates your entire argument doesn't it.


And claiming it without even looking at a physics book. Here is a link to a study by NASA on the warming effect of more water vapor. The problem for AZ is that the cause of increased water vapor is the existing increase in temperatures caused by other greenhouse gasses.   it looks like Az's argument is the boiling pot of water is responsible for the blowtorch underneath it. 

 

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html


And thinking that a positive feedback loop will last forever.  This is the earth's natural way of trying to cool itself, until it becomes overwhelmed and extra water vapor turns from a positive loop into a negative loop by trapping more heat on the planet and preventing it from radiating into space. 

But, as you said, you need to understand basics and do some research, it is so much easier just thinking that you know more than the actual scientists because somebody else told you so.

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@sp362 wrote:

YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING RISING TEMPERATURES ARE DUE TO INCREASED WATER VAPOR!  If you are now saying that is not the case, that pretty much invalidates your entire argument doesn't it.


And claiming it without even looking at a physics book. Here is a link to a study by NASA on the warming effect of more water vapor. The problem for AZ is that the cause of increased water vapor is the existing increase in temperatures caused by other greenhouse gasses.   it looks like Az's argument is the boiling pot of water is responsible for the blowtorch underneath it. 

 

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

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What I am asking is how do you explain it.  If it is all natural, what has suddenly changed since it was stable for 10,000 years?  Or is it your contention that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas?


For one of many things, the burning forests in California, caused by the neglect of liberals to control brush, raised the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere.

 

Man made carbon dioxide accounts for less than 1% of greenhouse gases.  99% of greenhouse gases is water vapor, the precipitation of which, in the form of clouds and snow, contributes to global cooling.  Compared to water vapor, the effects of carbon dioxide are minuscule.


What you are describing is a positive feedback loop.  But if increased water vapor is actually cooling the planet, why is there more water vapor to begin with?

We can measure CO2 and man is emitting CO2 at TWICE the rate of the atmospheric increase.  This is NOT natural.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas and increasing the humidity simply amplifies the effects.  You will have to show some kind of a study stating that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.

To blame wild fires is ridiculous.  There haven't been wildfires for the last 10,000 years?  To blame "liberals in California" is another ridiculous and ill informed statement.  Who do you think owns most of the land in California?


State your source for claiming that the average global humidity as measured by dew point is rising.


YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING RISING TEMPERATURES ARE DUE TO INCREASED WATER VAPOR!  If you are now saying that is not the case, that pretty much invalidates your entire argument doesn't it.

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Fact is.....

 

You could get a small group of nobody's (sick(sic(sick(sic...)))), put them in a room and play video's, create graphs and create false premises and prove we never landed on the moon, 9/11 didn't happen or was perpetuated by the government; the Holocaust never happened; the earth is flat; satanists are taking over America (some even claiming they're Christians); Bill Gates is trying to extinguish minoritiess(sick(sic(sick(sic...)))) ...... Yeah, these are the morons many believe.... 

And for 5 extra bucks, you can by a dozen of clip-on ties and they'll look even more impressive.....


You do realize the producing fake videos with no facts or studies to back them up is exactly what your original post was about, right? 

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@sp362 wrote:

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What I am asking is how do you explain it.  If it is all natural, what has suddenly changed since it was stable for 10,000 years?  Or is it your contention that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas?


For one of many things, the burning forests in California, caused by the neglect of liberals to control brush, raised the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere.

 

Man made carbon dioxide accounts for less than 1% of greenhouse gases.  99% of greenhouse gases is water vapor, the precipitation of which, in the form of clouds and snow, contributes to global cooling.  Compared to water vapor, the effects of carbon dioxide are minuscule.


What you are describing is a positive feedback loop.  But if increased water vapor is actually cooling the planet, why is there more water vapor to begin with?

We can measure CO2 and man is emitting CO2 at TWICE the rate of the atmospheric increase.  This is NOT natural.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas and increasing the humidity simply amplifies the effects.  You will have to show some kind of a study stating that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.

To blame wild fires is ridiculous.  There haven't been wildfires for the last 10,000 years?  To blame "liberals in California" is another ridiculous and ill informed statement.  Who do you think owns most of the land in California?


State your source for claiming that the average global humidity as measured by dew point is rising.

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Fact is.....

 

You could get a small group of nobody's (sick(sic(sick(sic...)))), put them in a room and play video's, create graphs and create false premises and prove we never landed on the moon, 9/11 didn't happen or was perpetuated by the government; the Holocaust never happened; the earth is flat; satanists are taking over America (some even claiming they're Christians); Bill Gates is trying to extinguish minoritiess(sick(sic(sick(sic...)))) ...... Yeah, these are the morons many believe.... 

And for 5 extra bucks, you can by a dozen of clip-on ties and they'll look even more impressive.....

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Fact is.....

 

You could get a small group of nobody's, put them in a room and play video's, create graphs and create false premises and prove we never landed on the moon, 9/11 didn't happen or was perpetuated by the government; the Holocaust never happened; the earth is flat; satanists are taking over America (some even claiming they're Christians); Bill Gates is trying to extinguish minoritiess...... Yeah, these are the morons many believe....

 

And for 5 extra bucks, you can by a dozen of clip-on ties and they'll look even more impressive.....


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