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Yep Centristsin2010 - lying by evasion is the same as lying by omission which is the same as lying by deliberately diverting the discussion off topic...

 

Trump is dishonest - he lies twice as often as he accidentally tells the truth - many people who use some - if not all - of the above mentioned techniques are being other than truthful - just like liddle toadish donnie...

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Where have you ever seen a Conservative defend violence? On the other hand there is the left's defense of antifa.


You did it right here in this thread when you said, "Mr. Ba Tran, etal, it just goes to show the effects of the left wing take over of universities and refusal to allow for openness in dialogue - hey, they applaud antifa shutting down any "unapproved" speech.

 

Granted, the guy (Adkins) is a nut job but it is the environment that tipped him over the edge.

 

I look forward to an op/ed dealing with that aspect of the violence in our nation these days."

 

You are defending right-wing terrorism (violence) when you blame it on anything or anyone other than the right-wing terrorist.


Asking for balance in reporting is hardly "defending". 


 Blaming a made up "left wing takeover of universities" to defend a machete attack on people of a differing political affiliation is hardly asking for balance in reporting.


I agree - the guy is a nutjob easily tipped over the edge. However, we must understand the situation at many universities that would make one not "left" to the approved degree either very uncomfortable or, as with this guy, primed for violence.

 

You are right, Adkins is one issue and asking Mr. Ba Tron etal for balanced reporting is another. They are only related in Ba Tron etal's post.


I'm not aware of any universities that require a certain degree of "leftness" for admission. Anyone can be admitted to any university, provided they have the proper qualifications.

 

Anyway, Mitchell Adkins wasn't the only republican at Transylvania University. But rather than making friends with like-minded people, he just got all butthurt about the students that didn't agree with his politics and decided that a machete attack would be a great way to bring everyone around to his way of thinking.

 

I'm just wondering what you think is biased in the MSM reporting of this situation.


The issue wasn't admissions it was the taught and encouraged political slant.

 

Adkins was a time bomb waiting to be ignited and went off. That is not reflective of Conservative ideology.

 

I'm just wondering where your wondering about MSM came from.


My point is that Adkins applied for admission to a very politically liberal university when there are plenty of very politically conservative universities he could have chosen to attend instead.

 

My wondering came from your general comments regarding "balance in reporting" and your specific comment "the MSM is certainly not going to offer such unbiased reporting."

 

Anyway, the article in question was factual and balanced in its reporting.


I don't think we want to further divide our society with Liberal schools and Conservative schools as the goal. Sure a tilt is inevitable but it seems that is an environment where kids should be exposed to a wide range of thinking without "pushing" in one direction or the other.

 

As to the article - what is "right-wing" about Adkins? I think that term (as well as "left-wing") needs some definition and understanding. As an example, because I consider myself to be Conservative politically, we have posters that believe I am alt-right.


 

Intersting evasion - but it does not in any manner not address the FACT that in the US - right wing violence is nevertheless verifiably on the rise...

 

 The above post that - as usual - evades dealing directly with the topic does not in any significant manner discuss any possible means of reducing the recognized and verifiable tendency of white racists, alt-right, KKK, Nazis, white nationalists and white supremacists to make use of violence and threats of violence to further their racism and right wing bigotry.

 

Right you are, AP.  They almost always evade the topic.  The truth just must hurt so much!


What evasion - did someone not mention Adkins?? As to your "verifiable tendencies" - they come from someone making a decision about others and then finding some unrelated things to tack on them. I remember one of the reasons that the President was like Hitler - they both got up early in the morning. It's the same with all the accusations some place on Conservatives - alt-right racists, fascists, etc. In reality there is no relationship between Conservative ideology and all that jazz.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Cirice wrote:

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Where have you ever seen a Conservative defend violence? On the other hand there is the left's defense of antifa.


You did it right here in this thread when you said, "Mr. Ba Tran, etal, it just goes to show the effects of the left wing take over of universities and refusal to allow for openness in dialogue - hey, they applaud antifa shutting down any "unapproved" speech.

 

Granted, the guy (Adkins) is a nut job but it is the environment that tipped him over the edge.

 

I look forward to an op/ed dealing with that aspect of the violence in our nation these days."

 

You are defending right-wing terrorism (violence) when you blame it on anything or anyone other than the right-wing terrorist.


Asking for balance in reporting is hardly "defending". 


 Blaming a made up "left wing takeover of universities" to defend a machete attack on people of a differing political affiliation is hardly asking for balance in reporting.


I agree - the guy is a nutjob easily tipped over the edge. However, we must understand the situation at many universities that would make one not "left" to the approved degree either very uncomfortable or, as with this guy, primed for violence.

 

You are right, Adkins is one issue and asking Mr. Ba Tron etal for balanced reporting is another. They are only related in Ba Tron etal's post.


I'm not aware of any universities that require a certain degree of "leftness" for admission. Anyone can be admitted to any university, provided they have the proper qualifications.

 

Anyway, Mitchell Adkins wasn't the only republican at Transylvania University. But rather than making friends with like-minded people, he just got all butthurt about the students that didn't agree with his politics and decided that a machete attack would be a great way to bring everyone around to his way of thinking.

 

I'm just wondering what you think is biased in the MSM reporting of this situation.


The issue wasn't admissions it was the taught and encouraged political slant.

 

Adkins was a time bomb waiting to be ignited and went off. That is not reflective of Conservative ideology.

 

I'm just wondering where your wondering about MSM came from.


My point is that Adkins applied for admission to a very politically liberal university when there are plenty of very politically conservative universities he could have chosen to attend instead.

 

My wondering came from your general comments regarding "balance in reporting" and your specific comment "the MSM is certainly not going to offer such unbiased reporting."

 

Anyway, the article in question was factual and balanced in its reporting.


I don't think we want to further divide our society with Liberal schools and Conservative schools as the goal. Sure a tilt is inevitable but it seems that is an environment where kids should be exposed to a wide range of thinking without "pushing" in one direction or the other.

 

As to the article - what is "right-wing" about Adkins? I think that term (as well as "left-wing") needs some definition and understanding. As an example, because I consider myself to be Conservative politically, we have posters that believe I am alt-right.


 

Intersting evasion - but it does not in any manner not address the FACT that in the US - right wing violence is nevertheless verifiably on the rise...

 

 The above post that - as usual - evades dealing directly with the topic does not in any significant manner discuss any possible means of reducing the recognized and verifiable tendency of white racists, alt-right, KKK, Nazis, white nationalists and white supremacists to make use of violence and threats of violence to further their racism and right wing bigotry.

 

Right you are, AP.  They almost always evade the topic.  The truth just must hurt so much!


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Clearing this up for those who are upset about upswing in hate crimes in the US.   The majority of white nationalists crimes, crimes against Jewish people, threats against African Americans ,threats and murders against members of the LGBTQIA, Muslims , Sihks, etc are members people that are being given a free pass by Donald and his followers.      The evangelicals that complain about these minorities are also part of team Donald.    

 

I am a supporter of the President - which killer did I give a pass to?  The Saudi "Prince" When was that??  When you posted, "I am a supporter of the President"!  Less than a day ago, but thanks for asking. You're welcome. And, FYI, the Prince is not the President. No kidding?  Thanks!  You support a guy who supports a murderer...and makes excuses for him.....enough said.

 

I fully understand that painted swastikas are not a positive for society and am fully aware of their intentions in painting them. Really?  Please do share...... Really!  Yes!  Yes what?  Please do share.....

 

The topic is the Right-wing Hate and subsequent violence that many Righties embrace. No that is a false premise that you cling to.  Wrong again!  Look at the topic and who you embrace....the same guy the right-wing haters embrace. Repeating a false statement does not change it's falseness.  Fact is, it's not a false statement....even if, especially if, you claim it is.

 

An interesting Fronline piece was recently aired.....you can see it here if you'd like:

 

Inside a Neo-Nazi Group With Members Tied to the U.S. Military

 

Documenting Hate: New American Nazis

 

Brothers Whom Authorities Linked to Pittsburgh Shooting Suspect Had Flyer Supporting Neo-Nazi Group,...

 

An Atomwaffen Member Sketched a Map to Take the Neo-Nazis Down. What Path Officials Took Is a Myster...

 

One Right-wing extremist said that when trump said, "Make American Great Again", they all knew he was saying, "Make America White Again".  Yet some continually deny it.... I hardly think that you are able to mind read the President's meaning. NEWS FLASH.....I'm not a right-wing extremist.   Obviously, you didn't bother viewing the\reports.....it's to be expected.... Nor am I and yes I did. Had you done as you claimed, you wouldn't have made the silly claim that I couldn't read the President's mind. On the other hand, anyone can interpret anything to mean whatever they want. As you do when you whine about those with great disdain with trump. What has "whining" to do with interpretation? That does not make it so. Agreed.....just as you do each day. Vague generalities for the purposes of insulting are not discussion. Here's an Obama quote, "If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress" - and we all know that means the path to Socialism.  Only to those with bigoted beliefs...... It illustrates the way quotes can be intentionally misused. YOU misused it....I didn't.  If you wish to claim your friends in the far-right wing extremist groups "miused it"; fine....go let them know.  But you blamed "the left" for saying trump meant "Make America White Again".....now you blame the Right......LMAO!!!

 

And it's noted, that the disdain MOST Americans have for your fascist wanna-be leader, isn't addressed.  Why is that?  They haven't murdered anyone. I do not have a fascist wanna-be leader How do you know?  so there is no meaning there.  Plenty of meaning, regardless whether you see it or not. Again merely repeating insults adds no value to them. I would be embarrased/insulted as well if I supported a fascist wanna-be.  Some prefer denial.....

 

Some just prefer denial and denying everything..... And some cannot substantiate their insulting claims so they just repeat them.....  Really?  Does anyone need to substantiate for anyone the support/embracing of trump by his Cult?


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@Cirice wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Cirice wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Cirice wrote:

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Where have you ever seen a Conservative defend violence? On the other hand there is the left's defense of antifa.


You did it right here in this thread when you said, "Mr. Ba Tran, etal, it just goes to show the effects of the left wing take over of universities and refusal to allow for openness in dialogue - hey, they applaud antifa shutting down any "unapproved" speech.

 

Granted, the guy (Adkins) is a nut job but it is the environment that tipped him over the edge.

 

I look forward to an op/ed dealing with that aspect of the violence in our nation these days."

 

You are defending right-wing terrorism (violence) when you blame it on anything or anyone other than the right-wing terrorist.


Asking for balance in reporting is hardly "defending". 


 Blaming a made up "left wing takeover of universities" to defend a machete attack on people of a differing political affiliation is hardly asking for balance in reporting.


I agree - the guy is a nutjob easily tipped over the edge. However, we must understand the situation at many universities that would make one not "left" to the approved degree either very uncomfortable or, as with this guy, primed for violence.

 

You are right, Adkins is one issue and asking Mr. Ba Tron etal for balanced reporting is another. They are only related in Ba Tron etal's post.


I'm not aware of any universities that require a certain degree of "leftness" for admission. Anyone can be admitted to any university, provided they have the proper qualifications.

 

Anyway, Mitchell Adkins wasn't the only republican at Transylvania University. But rather than making friends with like-minded people, he just got all butthurt about the students that didn't agree with his politics and decided that a machete attack would be a great way to bring everyone around to his way of thinking.

 

I'm just wondering what you think is biased in the MSM reporting of this situation.


The issue wasn't admissions it was the taught and encouraged political slant.

 

Adkins was a time bomb waiting to be ignited and went off. That is not reflective of Conservative ideology.

 

I'm just wondering where your wondering about MSM came from.


My point is that Adkins applied for admission to a very politically liberal university when there are plenty of very politically conservative universities he could have chosen to attend instead.

 

My wondering came from your general comments regarding "balance in reporting" and your specific comment "the MSM is certainly not going to offer such unbiased reporting."

 

Anyway, the article in question was factual and balanced in its reporting.


I don't think we want to further divide our society with Liberal schools and Conservative schools as the goal. Sure a tilt is inevitable but it seems that is an environment where kids should be exposed to a wide range of thinking without "pushing" in one direction or the other.

 

As to the article - what is "right-wing" about Adkins? I think that term (as well as "left-wing") needs some definition and understanding. As an example, because I consider myself to be Conservative politically, we have posters that believe I am alt-right.


 

Intersting evasion - but it does not in any manner not address the FACT that in the US - right wing violence is nevertheless verifiably on the rise...

 

 The above post that - as usual - evades dealing directly with the topic does not in any significant manner discuss any possible means of reducing the recognized and verifiable tendency of white racists, alt-right, KKK, Nazis, white nationalists and white supremacists to make use of violence and threats of violence to further their racism and right wing bigotry.

 

 

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@Cirice wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Cirice wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Cirice wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Cirice wrote:

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Where have you ever seen a Conservative defend violence? On the other hand there is the left's defense of antifa.


You did it right here in this thread when you said, "Mr. Ba Tran, etal, it just goes to show the effects of the left wing take over of universities and refusal to allow for openness in dialogue - hey, they applaud antifa shutting down any "unapproved" speech.

 

Granted, the guy (Adkins) is a nut job but it is the environment that tipped him over the edge.

 

I look forward to an op/ed dealing with that aspect of the violence in our nation these days."

 

You are defending right-wing terrorism (violence) when you blame it on anything or anyone other than the right-wing terrorist.


Asking for balance in reporting is hardly "defending". 


 Blaming a made up "left wing takeover of universities" to defend a machete attack on people of a differing political affiliation is hardly asking for balance in reporting.


I agree - the guy is a nutjob easily tipped over the edge. However, we must understand the situation at many universities that would make one not "left" to the approved degree either very uncomfortable or, as with this guy, primed for violence.

 

You are right, Adkins is one issue and asking Mr. Ba Tron etal for balanced reporting is another. They are only related in Ba Tron etal's post.


I'm not aware of any universities that require a certain degree of "leftness" for admission. Anyone can be admitted to any university, provided they have the proper qualifications.

 

Anyway, Mitchell Adkins wasn't the only republican at Transylvania University. But rather than making friends with like-minded people, he just got all butthurt about the students that didn't agree with his politics and decided that a machete attack would be a great way to bring everyone around to his way of thinking.

 

I'm just wondering what you think is biased in the MSM reporting of this situation.


The issue wasn't admissions it was the taught and encouraged political slant.

 

Adkins was a time bomb waiting to be ignited and went off. That is not reflective of Conservative ideology.

 

I'm just wondering where your wondering about MSM came from.


My point is that Adkins applied for admission to a very politically liberal university when there are plenty of very politically conservative universities he could have chosen to attend instead.

 

My wondering came from your general comments regarding "balance in reporting" and your specific comment "the MSM is certainly not going to offer such unbiased reporting."

 

Anyway, the article in question was factual and balanced in its reporting.


I don't think we want to further divide our society with Liberal schools and Conservative schools as the goal. Sure a tilt is inevitable but it seems that is an environment where kids should be exposed to a wide range of thinking without "pushing" in one direction or the other.

 

As to the article - what is "right-wing" about Adkins? I think that term (as well as "left-wing") needs some definition and understanding. As an example, because I consider myself to be Conservative politically, we have posters that believe I am alt-right.

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Mr. Ba Tran, etal, it just goes to show the effects of the left wing take over of universities and refusal to allow for openness in dialogue - hey, they applaud antifa shutting down any "unapproved" speech. Universities have the right to refuse to host hate speech gatherings on their property. I haven't seem a university "applaud" antifa, but actually all (real) Americans should applaud universities not allowing white supremacist hate speeches on their property. Yes they do. They have the right to ban any speaker to the right of Che Guevara. But is that they way things should be in colleges where minds are supposed to be opened, not closed? It was our left that cheered antifa. Yep, they have the right to ban hate and white supremacist speech form their property, even though you seem to be insulted by that. It was our right that defend the KKK's right to white supremacist hate speech. However, they seem to classify of anything no "left" to be "hate".

 

Granted, the guy (Adkins) is a nut job but it is the environment that tipped him over the edge. Actually only those "tipped over the edge" would think that universities should allow white supremacist hate speeches on their property What "white supremacist hate speeches" are you referring to as applies to Adkins? 

 

I look forward to an op/ed dealing with that aspect of the violence in our nation these days.  Just follow the favorite far right white supremacist source of your choice and you'll eventually see one. I guess so, the MSM is certainly not going to offer such unbiased reporting. So, I'll have to go to those "white supremacist sources" (by your warped definition) like Fox or that "fundie" thing in DC. You won't see fox telling you the truth that almost every terrorist act of mass killings in America over the last 15 years has been committed by white males, most all of which are right wing and in some instances trump supporters. So it appears that neither side of the media will tell the full story.


 


 


 


 

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

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Clearing this up for those who are upset about upswing in hate crimes in the US.   The majority of white nationalists crimes, crimes against Jewish people, threats against African Americans ,threats and murders against members of the LGBTQIA, Muslims , Sihks, etc are members people that are being given a free pass by Donald and his followers.      The evangelicals that complain about these minorities are also part of team Donald.    

 

I am a supporter of the President - which killer did I give a pass to?  The Saudi "Prince" When was that??  When you posted, "I am a supporter of the President"!  Less than a day ago, but thanks for asking. You're welcome. And, FYI, the Prince is not the President.

 

I fully understand that painted swastikas are not a positive for society and am fully aware of their intentions in painting them. Really?  Please do share...... Really!  Yes!  Yes what?

 

The topic is the Right-wing Hate and subsequent violence that many Righties embrace. No that is a false premise that you cling to.  Wrong again!  Look at the topic and who you embrace....the same guy the right-wing haters embrace. Repeating a false statement does not change it's falseness.

 

An interesting Fronline piece was recently aired.....you can see it here if you'd like:

 

Inside a Neo-Nazi Group With Members Tied to the U.S. Military

 

Documenting Hate: New American Nazis

 

Brothers Whom Authorities Linked to Pittsburgh Shooting Suspect Had Flyer Supporting Neo-Nazi Group,...

 

An Atomwaffen Member Sketched a Map to Take the Neo-Nazis Down. What Path Officials Took Is a Myster...

 

One Right-wing extremist said that when trump said, "Make American Great Again", they all knew he was saying, "Make America White Again".  Yet some continually deny it.... I hardly think that you are able to mind read the President's meaning. NEWS FLASH.....I'm not a right-wing extremist.   Obviously, you didn't bother viewing the\reports.....it's to be expected.... Nor am I and yes I did. On the other hand, anyone can interpret anything to mean whatever they want. As you do when you whine about those with great disdain with trump. What has "whining" to do with interpretation? That does not make it so. Agreed.....just as you do each day. Vague generalities for the purposes of insulting are not discussion. Here's an Obama quote, "If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress" - and we all know that means the path to Socialism.  Only to those with bigoted beliefs...... It illustrates the way quotes can be intentionally misused.

 

And it's noted, that the disdain MOST Americans have for your fascist wanna-be leader, isn't addressed.  Why is that?  They haven't murdered anyone. I do not have a fascist wanna-be leader How do you know?  so there is no meaning there.  Plenty of meaning, regardless whether you see it or not. Again merely repeating insults adds no value to them.

 

Some just prefer denial and denying everything..... And some cannot substantiate their insulting claims so they just repeat them.....


 

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@Cirice wrote:

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@Cirice wrote:

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Where have you ever seen a Conservative defend violence? On the other hand there is the left's defense of antifa.


You did it right here in this thread when you said, "Mr. Ba Tran, etal, it just goes to show the effects of the left wing take over of universities and refusal to allow for openness in dialogue - hey, they applaud antifa shutting down any "unapproved" speech.

 

Granted, the guy (Adkins) is a nut job but it is the environment that tipped him over the edge.

 

I look forward to an op/ed dealing with that aspect of the violence in our nation these days."

 

You are defending right-wing terrorism (violence) when you blame it on anything or anyone other than the right-wing terrorist.


Asking for balance in reporting is hardly "defending". 


 Blaming a made up "left wing takeover of universities" to defend a machete attack on people of a differing political affiliation is hardly asking for balance in reporting.


I agree - the guy is a nutjob easily tipped over the edge. However, we must understand the situation at many universities that would make one not "left" to the approved degree either very uncomfortable or, as with this guy, primed for violence.

 

You are right, Adkins is one issue and asking Mr. Ba Tron etal for balanced reporting is another. They are only related in Ba Tron etal's post.


I'm not aware of any universities that require a certain degree of "leftness" for admission. Anyone can be admitted to any university, provided they have the proper qualifications.

 

Anyway, Mitchell Adkins wasn't the only republican at Transylvania University. But rather than making friends with like-minded people, he just got all butthurt about the students that didn't agree with his politics and decided that a machete attack would be a great way to bring everyone around to his way of thinking.

 

I'm just wondering what you think is biased in the MSM reporting of this situation.


The issue wasn't admissions it was the taught and encouraged political slant.

 

Adkins was a time bomb waiting to be ignited and went off. That is not reflective of Conservative ideology.

 

I'm just wondering where your wondering about MSM came from.


My point is that Adkins applied for admission to a very politically liberal university when there are plenty of very politically conservative universities he could have chosen to attend instead.

 

My wondering came from your general comments regarding "balance in reporting" and your specific comment "the MSM is certainly not going to offer such unbiased reporting."

 

Anyway, the article in question was factual and balanced in its reporting.


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