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There is no reason that a well crafted guest worker program would work for these farmers and others,
We have known for a very long time that a guest program for the agricultural industry is needed.
And if it is crafted correctly, it should not interfere with a well also done Immigration program.

Congress has their work cut out for them in this area. Let's see what they can come up with.

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I bet the illegals are running in mass to Sanctuary Cities ...all run by Democratic Mayors...were they are more or less sheltered from ICE.

 

 

 

For some, this is amounts to a spectator sport where they can cheer for Team Trump, but there is another side to it....................

 

 

California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers

 

As for his promises about cracking down on illegal immigrants, many assumed Mr. Trump’s pledges were mostly just talk. But two weeks into his administration, Mr. Trump has signed executive orders that have upended the country’s immigration laws. Now farmers here are deeply alarmed about what the new policies could mean for their workers, most of whom are unauthorized, and the businesses that depend on them.

“Everything’s coming so quickly,” Mr. Marchini said. “We’re not loading people into buses or deporting them, that’s not happening yet.” As he looked out over a crew of workers bent over as they rifled through muddy leaves to find purple heads of radicchio, he said that as a businessman, Mr. Trump would know that farmers had invested millions of dollars into produce that is growing right now, and that not being able to pick and sell those crops would represent huge losses for the state economy. “I’m confident that he can grasp the magnitude and the anxiety of what’s happening now.”

 

Mr. Trump’s immigration policies could transform California’s Central Valley, a stretch of lowlands that extends from Sacramento to Bakersfield. Approximately 70 percent of all farmworkers here are living in the United States illegally, according to researchers at University of California, Davis. The impact could reverberate throughout the valley’s precarious economy, where agriculture is by far the largest industry. With 6.5 million people living in the valley, the fields in this state bring in $35 billion a year and provide more of the nation’s food than any other state.

The consequences of a smaller immigrant work force would ripple not just through the orchards and dairies, but also to locally owned businesses, restaurants, schools and even seemingly unrelated industries, like the insurance market.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-work...

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First of all …we were just starting to come together. With a world such as ours, it takes TIME and diplomacy. There is a REASON for Diplomacy ...Patience, and Tack goes a very long way. Words matter…and when dealing with Dictators of other countries, with the nuclear capability to start World War III …we have to be Very … very Careful.

We have fought all our lives for independence … 'Freedom' to be who we are and live together …and then there are so many ....giving their lives to overcome Historical Tyranny.

They say they need three thousand or more troops in Afghanistan …will it be your Son or Daughter?

In 2008 there were few regulations to prevent the Historical Ponzi scheme that crippled the World. The Billionaires took their money, and there was little the courts could do about it. Banks got their bailout before the new administration took over …it was a done deal.

For eight years the new administration fought for regulations that would NEVER let anything like that ever happen again. Now, regulations are being nullified so that the banks can do it to us ...all ...over ...Again. How quickly we forget. New Tech has a way of influencing us that way.

Complicated issues take TIME to figure out. Why Rush into a War that affects Billions of people around the Globe? Like it or not, we are a Global Alliance. That will never change now. When cars came along, horses were out of work. Cannot stop progress, no matter how hard they tried!

We trade …we buy …we vacation …we learn from …you get the picture? Why would War be better than trying to keep the peace and figure things out (no matter how long that that takes???) This is not a business deal that we have to make happen NOW. Actions affect all people around the world. There is an inevitable ...a domino effect. Things like this take TIME!!! Why be a Bully and want everything "Right NOW!!!… Real life just doesn’t work that way... Sorry. When so obviously your actions are causing Meanness …Hate …Separation and Mistrust?? While we are being divided from friends and loved ones, with a world in chaos …what the hell is wrong with this picture?? "It’s like fricking road rage!!"Certainly Hitler was a leftist, but his world order was Totalitarian …a far cry from what Democrats stand for today. Now we face a Joseph Stalin, and the re-start of the Cold War. No …history does not seem to teach us anything.

Fakes News and dishonest journalism? Tell that to James Foleys family.......... "We have never been prouder of our son Jim," Foley's mother posted on Facebook on Tuesday evening after the graphic visions of their son. "He gave his life trying to expose the world to the suffering of the Syrian people." Tell me this is fake news ...I Defy You! Is it worth all your anger to put your children and grandchildren in jeopardy? I ask them now …"Why, is this so hard to understand?

The clouds of racism were slowly fading away. But not now ...now we regress. We start over again … IF we survive…

My hope is that we can be Smarter than this. Can we all just research and learn, or is that just too **bleep** Hard??? ….Our lives, our families, and our Planet ... depend on it.

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@myexper wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@myexper wrote:

@KidBoy2 wrote:
Immigration enforcement raids in 6 states

I bet the illegals are running in mass to Sanctuary Cities ...all run by Democratic Mayors...were they are more or less sheltered from ICE.

Me thinks that the Democratic mayors have no regard for the safety of their residents.
Think again ..... It's Republicans who want people on the terrorist watch list to buy guns!

 


Never said by Republicans. 

Never had to"say" it as it was self evident when Republicans refused to pass legislation which would stop people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns.

 

It is the Democrats that support and obtain their votes from criminal thugs. 

An absurd false accusation ....

 

Republicans don't want the "do not fly list" used for denying purchase of a gun unless they set up a mechanism to fix bad data.

Republicans (under Bush) generated that list.  And if the people on that list have been determined to be too dangerous to board a plane, those people should certainly never be allowed to buy a gun.  But gun sales and the NRA are more important to Republicans than the safety of Americans.


 


As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. 

Not true

 

It is the radical left that want the "no fly list" used to approve or disapprove of gun sales.

Republicans developed that list to determine who should not be able to get on a plane. So if a person has been determined too dangerous to allow on a plane, it is only reasonable to not allow that person to obtain a gun.

 

 

The error rate on that list is extremely high and next to impossible to fix in a timely manner.

So the list has correctly identified many suspect terrorists.  Why should they be able to purchase a gun?

 

 

 What else would you expect with a government set up "no fly list". 

It was a government under control by Republicans that set up the "no fly list". 

 

If the radical left was so interested in using that list, why don't they get their base to get their party to back a quick fix to the data error problems?

So you are blaming Democrats for not fixing up the errors fast enough on a Republican list ...... amazing!

 

The safety of American is more important to Republicans as evidenced by their hatred of "sanctuary cities"

So "hate" is a quality that makes Republicans more concerned about "the safety of Americans"? .... Absurd!

 

(protecting criminal illegal aliens instead of protecting citizens) as well as prohibiting entry of terrorists while the left welcomes them in.

The "left" welcomes 'vetted refugees' while the right wants to allow 'suspected terrorists' to buy guns.

The right is more concerned about pleasing the NRA than protecting the lives of Americans!

 

 


 

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@umbarch64 wrote:

@rker321 wrote:

I will agree with you, with mostly of what you have stated. but, this is not the time to accuse of point fingers, The time has come to actually fix the immigration issue.
and whether is the Republivcan Party or the Democratic Party that does it. is of no consequence,
American will be forever grateful.


I do understand.  But somewhere, sometime, someplace, someone has to do something right to start with.  After all, IF you don't have time [or the inclination] to do it right, when WILL you have the time [or the inclination] to fix it?


Now perhaps is the time. This time the Republican Party don't have any excuse not to fix the immigration problem. Who is going to stop them? 
They can achieve if they want a great Immigration law that can be implemented  correctly and fairly.

Perhaps partisanship has been the culprit or at least has a lot to be blamed for.But now, there is no excuse, they have both the President, the Senate and the House, 

I wonder what they will say when thy cannot reach an agreement among themselves on how to create and implement a comprehensive law.

 

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@myexper wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@myexper wrote:

@KidBoy2 wrote:
Immigration enforcement raids in 6 states

I bet the illegals are running in mass to Sanctuary Cities ...all run by Democratic Mayors...were they are more or less sheltered from ICE.

Me thinks that the Democratic mayors have no regard for the safety of their residents.
Think again ..... It's Republicans who want people on the terrorist watch list to buy guns!

 


Never said by Republicans. 

Never had to"say" it as it was self evident when Republicans refused to pass legislation which would stop people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns.

 

It is the Democrats that support and obtain their votes from criminal thugs. 

An absurd false accusation ....

 

Republicans don't want the "do not fly list" used for denying purchase of a gun unless they set up a mechanism to fix bad data.

Republicans (under Bush) generated that list.  And if the people on that list have been determined to be too dangerous to board a plane, those people should certainly never be allowed to buy a gun.  But gun sales and the NRA are more important to Republicans than the safety of Americans.


 


It is the radical left that want the "no fly list" used to approve or disapprove of gun sales. The error rate on that list is extremely high and next to impossible to fix in a timely manner.  What else would you expect with a government set up "no fly list".  If the radical left was so interested in using that list, why don't they get their base to get their party to back a quick fix to the data error problems? 

 

The safety of American is more important to Republicans as evidenced by their hatred of "sanctuary cities" (protecting criminal illegal aliens instead of protecting citizens) as well as prohibiting entry of terrorists while the left welcomes them in.

 

People are notified they are on the no-fly list only when they arrive at an airport and are told they can’t fly. In the past, the government did not have to confirm or deny someone was on the list, even though it was obvious to that person when he or she was stopped from flying.

Those who are on the broader terrorist watch list—and not the no-fly list—are not notified of anything.

A 2010 lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), a leading critic of watch lists, resulted in the government earlier this year agreeing to officially confirm to people who are stopped from flying that they are indeed on the no-fly list—and, in certain cases, like when the reasons are unclassified, to tell them why.

Under what’s known as the “redress” process, a person looking to get off the no-fly list can file a complaint to the Department of Homeland Security, which will work with the FBI and other intelligence agencies to re-examine the person’s record.

“The reason it’s hardly ideal for due process is because everything that happens is behind closed doors,” Edgar said. “There is not a hearing or anything like a normal process that would be transparent to the person complaining.”

 

http://www.newsweek.com/gun-control-and-no-fly-list-all-you-need-know-403821

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@myexper wrote:

@KidBoy2 wrote:
Immigration enforcement raids in 6 states

I bet the illegals are running in mass to Sanctuary Cities ...all run by Democratic Mayors...were they are more or less sheltered from ICE.

Me thinks that the Democratic mayors have no regard for the safety of their residents.
Think again ..... It's Republicans who want people on the terrorist watch list to buy guns!

 


Never said by Republicans. 

Never had to"say" it as it was self evident when Republicans refused to pass legislation which would stop people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns.

 

It is the Democrats that support and obtain their votes from criminal thugs. 

An absurd false accusation ....

 

Republicans don't want the "do not fly list" used for denying purchase of a gun unless they set up a mechanism to fix bad data.

Republicans (under Bush) generated that list.  And if the people on that list have been determined to be too dangerous to board a plane, those people should certainly never be allowed to buy a gun.  But gun sales and the NRA are more important to Republicans than the safety of Americans.


 

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
myexper posted..

Think again ..... It's Republicans who want people on the terrorist watch list to buy guns!

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Could you back that with facts as I never heard that?
Democrats and President Obama have tried to pass legislation several times to stop people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns.  But the Republican controlled Congress killed the legislation every time.
Never heard it? .....  Start watching other news sources instead of Fox News.
Just place the item  in any Internet search window and numerous news articles will come up.

 

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Could you back that with facts as I never heard that? I think most people believe in our laws...except the mayors of Sanctuary Cities ...all run by Democratic Mayors...

You would almost think that the mayors of those cities have no respect for the Party-Which-Cannot-Govern. 

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@rker321 wrote:

I will agree with you, with mostly of what you have stated. but, this is not the time to accuse of point fingers, The time has come to actually fix the immigration issue.
and whether is the Republivcan Party or the Democratic Party that does it. is of no consequence,
American will be forever grateful.


I do understand.  But somewhere, sometime, someplace, someone has to do something right to start with.  After all, IF you don't have time [or the inclination] to do it right, when WILL you have the time [or the inclination] to fix it?

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