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Great, at least you have deemed us to be your enemy. We have always known that you are our enemy. 

 

Thanks for the clarification!

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There is not a link between immigration and crime. Since 1980, the immigrant population in the United States increased 118 percent. Since 1980, the violent crime rate in the United States decreased 36 percent. Indeed, cities that had more immigrants tended to see a decrease in crime.

 

THE MYTH OF THE CRIMINAL IMMIGRANT

 

The link between immigration and crime exists in the imaginations of (racist and bigoted trump cultist) Americans, and nowhere else.

 

The Trump administration’s first year of immigration policy has relied on claims that immigrants bring crime into America. President Trump’s latest target is sanctuary cities.

 

“Every day, sanctuary cities release illegal immigrants, drug dealers, traffickers, gang members back into our communities,” he said last week. “They’re safe havens for just some terrible people.”

 

As of 2017, according to Gallup polls, almost half of Americans agreed that immigrants make crime worse. But is it true that immigration drives crime? Many studies have shown that it does not.

Immigrant populations in the United States have been growing fast for decades now. Crime in the same period, however, has moved in the opposite direction, with the national rate of violent crime today well below what it was in 1980.

 

 

According to data from the study, a large majority of the areas have many more immigrants today than they did in 1980 and fewer violent crimes. The Marshall Project extended the study’s data up to 2016, showing that crime fell more often than it rose even as immigrant populations grew almost across the board.

 

In 136 metro areas, almost 70 percent of those studied, the immigrant population increased between 1980 and 2016 while crime stayed stable or fell. The number of areas where crime and immigration both increased was much lower — 54 areas, slightly more than a quarter of the total. The 10 places with the largest increases in immigrants all had lower levels of crime in 2016 than in 1980.

 

And yet the argument that immigrants bring crime into America has driven many of the policies enacted or proposed by the administration so far: restrictions to entry, travel and visas; heightened border enforcement; plans for a wall along the border with Mexico. This month, the Justice Department filed a lawsuit against California in response to the state’s refusal to allow local police to assist Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers in detaining and deporting undocumented immigrants charged with crimes. On Tuesday, California’s Orange Countysigned on in support of that suit. But while the immigrant population in the county has more than doubled since 1980, overall violent crime has decreased by more than 50 percent.

 

There’s a similar pattern in two other places where Trump has recently feuded with local leaders: Oakland, Calif., and Lawrence, Mass. He described both cities as breeding grounds for drugs and crime brought by immigrants. But Oakland, like Orange County, has had increasing immigration and falling crime. In Lawrence, though murder and robbery rates grew, overall violent crime rates still fell by 10 percent.

 

In general, the study’s data suggests either that immigration has the effect of reducing average crime, or that there is simply no relationship between the two, and that the 54 areas in the study where both grew were instances of coincidence, not cause and effect. This was a consistent pattern in each decade from 1980 to 2016, with immigrant populations and crime failing to grow together.

 

Data and graphs at:  THE MYTH OF THE CRIMINAL IMMIGRANT

 

Just more LIES perpetuated by the fascist president to foster even more nationalistic hate and bigotry. IMO, it's both sad and pathetic that his base just laps this crap up and regurgitates it back to disinform the ignorant.


At the same time, some liberals are complaining that illegal immigrants are not reporting crime because of fear of being deported.  

 

http://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2017/09/22/undocumented-immigrants-report-crimes-debra-j-robbin

 

So, for all I know, crimes increased but are being reported less because of immigrants.

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@umbarch64wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

There is not a link between immigration and crime. Since 1980, the immigrant population in the United States increased 118 percent. Since 1980, the violent crime rate in the United States decreased 36 percent. Indeed, cities that had more immigrants tended to see a decrease in crime.

 

THE MYTH OF THE CRIMINAL IMMIGRANT

 

The link between immigration and crime exists in the imaginations of (racist and bigoted trump cultist) Americans, and nowhere else.

 

Just more LIES perpetuated by the fascist president to foster even more nationalistic hate and bigotry. IMO, it's both sad and pathetic that his base just laps this crap up and regurgitates it back to disinform the ignorant.


 

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Each LIE is separate from any other LIE.  ALL are an offense.  ...

 

An ENEMY deserves a LIE. ...

Wrong.  The lie, "You are a genius.", is not an offense nor do you, my enemy, deserve it.  

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@rk9152wrote:

@Olderscout66wrote:

Der Fuhrer had the Jews now Der Trumper has the immigrants. Hitler committed mass murder on his hated minority, Der Trumper is doing it one at a time by sending people back to be killed by the terror that sent them fleeing to America. His immigration "Courts" are forcing 3-year-old infants to DEFEND THEMSELVES because there's no REQUIREMENT to provide attorneys to the defendants in Immigration Court.

 

His toad Sessions wants the process to move faster, even tho one woman's hearing lasted 3 MINUTES, she lost, was deported, and couple weeks later, the thugs she was running from found and killed her.

 

Lemontop and the NRAGOP could care less - families living peacefully and HONESTLY for years are being torn apart because the toad POTUS needs to divert attention from his criminal administration and feed the blood lust of his moronic base.

 

Hitler told Germany the Jews had "stabbed Germany in the back" and deserved to be punished. Der Trumper and his followers on this blog tell us the Immigrants "rape and murder all across the border states" and deserve to be punished. Hitler built the camps for the exterminations, Der Trumper just sends his victims "back home" to die at the hands of their persecutors.

 

Don't like being compared to Hitler Donnyboy? Stop acting like him!


Since our process calls for hearings, having the capacity of have those hearings in a reasonable time frame is appropriate. What is Hitleresque in the common sense approach?

 

P.S. about your last outpouring of blind hatred, I seriously doubt the President is reading your posts.


Well we have a truthful statment in the PS. He is correct. Trump is not reading anyones posts as he can not read per his ex Sec. Of State, Chief of Staff, CIA, McMaster, Sec. of Defence. All have told us that.


"your posts", john, "your posts".

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@ChasKy53wrote:

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Yep, a nation must have borders, but not 'walls'. Should be build a 'wall' around our entire country? I'm sure that some crackpots would say 'yes'.

 

The "wall" is just one of many tools used to secure our borders. Obviously additional tools are needed. If not a structural increase (we already have and have had various structural impediments) - what?


 


Should we have walls to stop whites from entering from Canada? What?


Once again, the left tries to make everything a racial issue. We have a problem with "illegal" entry - not "brown or black" entry.


The greatest danger that rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth trump supporters should be aware of is the horrifying danger and very real possibility exists that most of those entering from Canada would be liberals...

 

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@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

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Yep, a nation must have borders, but not 'walls'. Should be build a 'wall' around our entire country? I'm sure that some crackpots would say 'yes'.

 

The "wall" is just one of many tools used to secure our borders. Obviously additional tools are needed. If not a structural increase (we already have and have had various structural impediments) - what?


 


Should we have walls to stop whites from entering from Canada? What?


Once again, the left tries to make everything a racial issue. We have a problem with "illegal" entry - not "brown or black" entry.

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@rk9152wrote:

@Olderscout66wrote:

Der Fuhrer had the Jews now Der Trumper has the immigrants. Hitler committed mass murder on his hated minority, Der Trumper is doing it one at a time by sending people back to be killed by the terror that sent them fleeing to America. His immigration "Courts" are forcing 3-year-old infants to DEFEND THEMSELVES because there's no REQUIREMENT to provide attorneys to the defendants in Immigration Court.

 

His toad Sessions wants the process to move faster, even tho one woman's hearing lasted 3 MINUTES, she lost, was deported, and couple weeks later, the thugs she was running from found and killed her.

 

Lemontop and the NRAGOP could care less - families living peacefully and HONESTLY for years are being torn apart because the toad POTUS needs to divert attention from his criminal administration and feed the blood lust of his moronic base.

 

Hitler told Germany the Jews had "stabbed Germany in the back" and deserved to be punished. Der Trumper and his followers on this blog tell us the Immigrants "rape and murder all across the border states" and deserve to be punished. Hitler built the camps for the exterminations, Der Trumper just sends his victims "back home" to die at the hands of their persecutors.

 

Don't like being compared to Hitler Donnyboy? Stop acting like him!


Since our process calls for hearings, having the capacity of have those hearings in a reasonable time frame is appropriate. What is Hitleresque in the common sense approach?

 

P.S. about your last outpouring of blind hatred, I seriously doubt the President is reading your posts.


Well we have a truthful statment in the PS. He is correct. Trump is not reading anyones posts as he can not read per his ex Sec. Of State, Chief of Staff, CIA, McMaster, Sec. of Defence. All have told us that.

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@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:


Yep, a nation must have borders, but not 'walls'. Should be build a 'wall' around our entire country? I'm sure that some crackpots would say 'yes'.

 

The "wall" is just one of many tools used to secure our borders. Obviously additional tools are needed. If not a structural increase (we already have and have had various structural impediments) - what?


 


Should we have walls to stop whites from entering from Canada? What?


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Talking about race isn't racist.  You just want the conversation to stop so that you can enjoy the status quo.    Won't happen.


Describing illegal aliens as "brown skinned" as if that was a factor in their status is racist.

 

I have no idea what these discussions have to do with any "status quo" nor the "status quo" you are referring to.

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Illegal immigrants who are already in the country, and new people crossing the border, are two very different (although related) issues, that require completely different approaches.  If you think closing the borders will magically make the 11 million who are here disappear, well then, I can't help you. 

 

I fully agree. They are separate issues with subtexts in each. I don't believe any one has suggested that dealing with one will resolve the other.

 


 

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