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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Der Trumper has been getting the snot knocked out of him and loudly proclaiming it was a great personal victory for DECADES. It's that "loudly proclaiming" that made some lofo's THINK he was a good businessman, but the little preppytwit lost a billion dollars RUNNING A CASINO! The tax-fraud created fortune his daddy left him is the only reason he every had a job, and if he'd used all that money to buy US Savings Bonds, he'd have more than he does now.

 

So declaring victory over ISIS when he has no clue who/what ISIS is comes as no surprise. What cannot be disputed is the greatest benefactor from Trump's pull-out is PUTIN and his other puppet, Assad.

 

GOPers need to pause for just a moment and ask themselves WHO HAS BENEFITED MOST FROM TRUMP'S ADMINISTRATION ? If you come up with an answer that is not "PUTIN" I'd love to see the fractured logic you used to deduce your answer.


Does that mean you'd like our troops fighting such jihadist outfits wherever they may be? How about  Boko Haram - they are a nasty batch doing bad stuff.

 

Or does it just mean you hate our President?

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@williamb39198 wrote:

What really seems to be showing here with current events, is that trump does not care about our Troops, our Allies, the Kurds, or the Syrians that they are defending. 

What he cares about is turkey, russia, and how this will benefit him as he plays to his base, and ignores the advice of many in our Country. 

Are we winning yet?

 

Never Forget


Bringing troops home and out of harms way is not caring about them only to those whose hatred for the President will take them down strange roads.

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Isis is NOT defeated as 45 said in his tweet.  The only people who "believe" that Isis is defeated, is Trump's base because they believe anything their man says.  However, whether Isis is defeated or not is not what I'm really concerned about here (even though it is truly a concern).  What I am concerned about is "WHO" contacted Trump and told him to pull out of Syria.  For I do not believe that Trump suddenly came up with this very major decision by himself.  Somebody TOLD him to do it and I do not believe that that  "request/order" came from any of the agencies within the U.S. government which might handle such matters.  I believe the ORDER came down from either Russia or Turkey and that this move somehow feeds into their hidden agenda.   Moreover, what is the most terrifying part of all of this is the fact that as I have said before, I believe Trump has been totally compromised by foreign goverment(s) as he is a man without a moral compass or loyalty to country or the American people.  In Trump World, the only one or thing that matters is Trump and his dynasty.   The rest of us are nothing more than serfs and fodder for the coming fire.

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Scout, your logic is spot on. Who is one of only two people pleased with trump’s pull out...putin!

And in Mueller’s investigation, at every turn a russian or russia turns up. And how many of those connected with trump

spoke with russians, and then lied about it! Who’s hiding what, and who is controlling who? Use logic and the answer is simple, trump’s hiding it, and putin is in control. 

We want Our America back!

 

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Der Trumper has been getting the snot knocked out of him and loudly proclaiming it was a great personal victory for DECADES. It's that "loudly proclaiming" that made some lofo's THINK he was a good businessman, but the little preppytwit lost a billion dollars RUNNING A CASINO! The tax-fraud created fortune his daddy left him is the only reason he every had a job, and if he'd used all that money to buy US Savings Bonds, he'd have more than he does now.

 

So declaring victory over ISIS when he has no clue who/what ISIS is comes as no surprise. What cannot be disputed is the greatest benefactor from Trump's pull-out is PUTIN and his other puppet, Assad.

 

GOPers need to pause for just a moment and ask themselves WHO HAS BENEFITED MOST FROM TRUMP'S ADMINISTRATION ? If you come up with an answer that is not "PUTIN" I'd love to see the fractured logic you used to deduce your answer.

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What really seems to be showing here with current events, is that trump does not care about our Troops, our Allies, the Kurds, or the Syrians that they are defending. 

What he cares about is turkey, russia, and how this will benefit him as he plays to his base, and ignores the advice of many in our Country. 

Are we winning yet?

 

Never Forget

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The ideology behind ISIS (and other such organizations) is far from defeated. However, the military components calling itself ISIS in Syria have been well beaten up.

 

So, are we to continue to send our young men and women into the area to fight an ideology?

 

If ISIS was really "defeated", they were mostly defeated by the Syrian Arab Army, aided by Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah militias. At least now ISIS can't re-draw the map in the region.

 

I don't know how much these military ventures cost us as a nation. We'll just put it on our tab. 

 

Meanwhile, China is rising.

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US troops KIA in Syria since we entered the fray back in 2014: FOUR.

While that's regretable, it's not significantly more than would've been injured or killed in accidents over the same period.

 

Those forces have been doing a great job of supporting our "allies" inside Syria, and the only people unhappy with that result seemed to be Assad and Putin...until Trump joined them.

 

So now with the US forces out of the target area, Syrian and Russian troops can recommence bombing and shelling the snot out of the area we pacified, because our allies Trump leaves behind are NOT supporters of Assad.

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You are right, Ms. Lemmon. The ideology behind ISIS (and other such organizations) is far from defeated. However, the military components calling itself ISIS in Syria have been well beaten up.

 

So, are we to continue to send our young men and women into the area to fight an ideology?

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https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2018/12/isis-not-defeated-and-pulling-us-troops-syria-now-would-j...

 

ISIS Is Not Defeated. Pulling USTroops From Syria Would Jeopardize Everything

 

I just returned from my fifth trip to Northeast Syria in 18 months. If the US quits now, there are four winners: ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Iran.

 

KOBANI, Syria — Last week in Northeast Syria, one thought struck me when it came to the battle against the so-called Islamic State: If the ISIS fight is over, no one has told ISIS.

 

 

I have been watching Raqqa closely since April, including from the ground. A shift in U.S. policy that would remove American troops from Northeast Syria would jeopardize the gains U.S.troops and their partner Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF, have fought — and sacrificed — to achieve.

 

 

Raqqa’s stability exists because of that partnership, but it remains extremely fragile. ISIS sleeper cells are trying to find footholds, take advantage of Raqqa’s shortage of services, and make it harder for the U.S.-backed coalition stop their reemergence. So far, U.S.-backed forces have been able to keep the pressure on enough to allow moms and dads I have met to push forward with their lives. If Raqqa is not to become Baghdad in its worst moments, the pressure must be continued. If those U.S.-backed forces are forced to go it alone, there will be four winners: ISIS, the Syrian regime, Russia and Iran.

 

 

I have had the privilege of traveling to Northeast Syria five times since August 2017. And what you see on the ground is a story of fragile gains and forward momentum amid great challenge. It is of the few stories of significant, one-directional progress created by U.S. policy and executed by U.S.-backed forces in the post-9/11 conflicts. Because of those U.S.-backed forces, where ISIS once ruled a level of stability now allows beauty shop owners, perfume entrepreneurs, civil society leaders and teachers to get back to work rebuilding their city and escaping extremism.

 

 

That few Americans know fully the positive dividends of a policy executed in their names is a testament to this moment’s lack of attention on all things international. It is also a reflection of the Trump administration’s understandable desire to assuage the concerns of NATO ally Turkey, which views the Kurds who have risked their lives to lead the fight against ISIS as terrorists.

 

 

No one would argue that ignoring Turkey’s security concerns is the correct path for U.S. policy. But neither is abandoning the troops whose young generation has laid down its life — over and over again, in city after city, in the ISIS fight.

 

 

Walk through cemeteries in Kobani and Qamishil and see the white marble rows remembering daughters and sons killed battling ISIS.  Photos of young women and young men whose parents will never greet them or hug them again are pasted against the headstones. These are the young people who have sacrificed all to free territory from ISIS control.

 

 And these are the people who still today are fighting ISIS and seeking to bring real stability for the women and men who survived the horror of ISIS. Little ones I’ve met who witnessed beheadings. Moms who shielded their children’s eyes from hangings.

 

These forces risk their lives every day in the ISIS fight. And their work has allowed visitors to drive across the region for hours without getting shaken down or ripped off, or far worse, because of the security they have brought to the ground. This is the tempered victory against ISIS that will be jeopardized if U.S. troops leave the region.

 

 

Last week in the town of Tabqa, I waited to speak with a local security forces commander. After an hour I received a call saying ISIS had targeted her vehicle and placed an IED under it as she left Raqqa. She survived. But the attack was a sign that the reemergence and transformation of ISIS is an ongoing, on-the-ground battle consuming the SDF’s focus. And though policymakers and media in the U.S. may have moved on, fallen under the  impression that the battle is over, local forces who face them each day and each night and do not enjoy this luxury.

 

 

Ignoring Turkey’s concerns is not an option. But this is a moment for U.S.-backed diplomatic energy to assuage Turkey’s concerns without removing U.S. troops. Too much is at stake, including America’s credibility in the region, gains made by moms and dads and teachers and shopkeepers and hairdressers I’ve had the privilege of meeting, and the reemergence of ISIS, which has not stopped in its quest to threaten Syria, the region and the U.S.

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