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Gee Gail is it so difficult to  answer my initial post?



Conversations within other conversations often happen on a discussion forum - that's life and discussing.

You picked my post to reply to, when I was just responding to one from another somewhat off-track poster.  Find the source before complaining.

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If Trump loses he will be indicted. 

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If Trump loses in 2020(looses for those living in Rio Linda) he will go back to being a happy billionaire as he was before. He has commited no crime as per Mueller report and has the most scandal free administration in modern times. Sorry Dems ,those are the facts.


And where is that Rio Linda in Ulraine?

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@Richva wrote:

@GailL1 wrote:


You see, that is THE PROBLEM -

Are asylum seekers released before their immigration court hearings?

It depends. The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) requires all individuals seeking asylum at ports of entry to be detained. They remain in detention even after officials confirm their claims as credible, unless the officials decide the applicants are unlikely to flee and do not pose a safety threat. In addition, they must pay a bail, which they often cannot afford. If released, many asylum seekers are monitored by GPS ankle bracelets. Data show that 96 percent of asylum applicants show up to all their immigration court hearings.

 

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-u-s-asylum-process/

 

Asylum officers are opting to give them a pass because they determine there is no safety threat. 

 

There is no way we can detain them all - they are doing the identity check, the finger prints, listening to their "claim", etc. and then let them go until their court date comes up many months down the road.

 

When (after their actual immigration hearing before a judge) and IF, and that is a BIG IF, they get Refugee status and then there are standard immigration non-profits assigned to help them acculimate to life in the US.   That is why our regular immigration process of Refugees goes so much better - their wait has happened outside the US but it still takes about (2) years. The only asylum seekers that have to be actually "cared for" are unaccompanied minors, turned over to HHS.

 

Most asylum seekers will be returned home because they do not have a legally defined basis for their asylum claim, especially those coming from this area..

 

Court cases are beginning to take longer and longer because those who can pay a lawyer will bring out all sorts of evidence for their claim, even going to a doctor for him to interprete a scar they might have as it relates to their claim.

 

We have a backlog of immigration court cases - we have them coming everyday and then there are even more waiting in Mexico. 

 

CONGRESS has to fix this - we should just enforce the law - if they do not have proof of their asylum request - then they should be sent back right then and there.

 

You probably also have one of the few asylum offices located close to you -

Buses can be loaded to send them elsewhere (your nickle) , ya know - just make sure they give their forwarding address to the Immigration officials so that they can be notified of their court date years down the road. 

 


Gee Gail is it so difficult to  answer my initial post?

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@Richva wrote:

@GailL1 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

. . . . . . Expect them to implement a functioning process for processing asylum seekers at the borders and tracking them as they move inland. . . . .


Why wait until an election especially on this one ?

There is lots of BIpartisan support on immigration reform -

I would be supportive of their actions of working on such a plan - at least we could see how good they are at working with others -


Legislation is one thing. You are not down here near the border watching the clown show the Trump administration has put into place to "process" asylum seekers.  

  • Accept them
  • Fill out a few forms
  • Keep them for a few days
  • Drop them on the streets outside the detention facilities. 

That's it. No plan, no goals, no competence. THAT is what the Democrats will change. 


You see, that is THE PROBLEM -

Are asylum seekers released before their immigration court hearings?

It depends. The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) requires all individuals seeking asylum at ports of entry to be detained. They remain in detention even after officials confirm their claims as credible, unless the officials decide the applicants are unlikely to flee and do not pose a safety threat. In addition, they must pay a bail, which they often cannot afford. If released, many asylum seekers are monitored by GPS ankle bracelets. Data show that 96 percent of asylum applicants show up to all their immigration court hearings.

 

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-u-s-asylum-process/

 

Asylum officers are opting to give them a pass because they determine there is no safety threat. 

 

There is no way we can detain them all - they are doing the identity check, the finger prints, listening to their "claim", etc. and then let them go until their court date comes up many months down the road.

 

When (after their actual immigration hearing before a judge) and IF, and that is a BIG IF, they get Refugee status and then there are standard immigration non-profits assigned to help them acculimate to life in the US.   That is why our regular immigration process of Refugees goes so much better - their wait has happened outside the US but it still takes about (2) years. The only asylum seekers that have to be actually "cared for" are unaccompanied minors, turned over to HHS.

 

Most asylum seekers will be returned home because they do not have a legally defined basis for their asylum claim, especially those coming from this area..

 

Court cases are beginning to take longer and longer because those who can pay a lawyer will bring out all sorts of evidence for their claim, even going to a doctor for him to interprete a scar they might have as it relates to their claim.

 

We have a backlog of immigration court cases - we have them coming everyday and then there are even more waiting in Mexico. 

 

CONGRESS has to fix this - we should just enforce the law - if they do not have proof of their asylum request - then they should be sent back right then and there.

 

You probably also have one of the few asylum offices located close to you -

Buses can be loaded to send them elsewhere (your nickle) , ya know - just make sure they give their forwarding address to the Immigration officials so that they can be notified of their court date years down the road. 

 

Guess we could build some camps for the wait but would the UN or anybody else help us with the cost? - like the ones in Turkey for the Syrians. Course those would probably be close to you too.  How big of a back yard do you have?

Image result for picture of refugee camp in turkey

 

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If Trump loses in 2020(looses for those living in Rio Linda) he will go back to being a happy billionaire as he was before. He has commited no crime as per Mueller report and has the most scandal free administration in modern times. Sorry Dems ,those are the facts.

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When Trump loses in 2020, the first issue will be getting him OUT of the Oval Office.  Nancy Pelosi has stated she "does not automatically trust the president to respect the results of any election short of an overwhelming defeat".

 

Source: NYT - Pelosi Warns Democrats: Stay in the Center or Trump May Contest Election Results


Finally someone that really understands what I wrote in the initial post. You are all expecting a truly democratic exit. because none of you can even picture anything else.

But I do. If Trump looses, how many of you don't think that he will  be indicted the minute that he gets out of office? and how many of you don't think that he knows that?

If you all realize that the man will be indicted and  loose a lot more that he actually thinks he will loose, why is it so impossible to think that he may do whatever he needs to do in order to stay?

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If Trump loses in 2020, expect him to walk away unlike Democrats would. Expect one of the following to be elected:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKYEE1-U_tc&feature=youtu.be

 

Also expect higher taxes, free everything, new wealth taxes, expect the economy to sour, stock market to go down, unemployment to soar, businesses to close, poverty to increase, high priority would be the new green deal, reparations, Medicare for all, and the general economy to ultimately fail.


Gee,  Nothing in the above post has anything to do with the questions that I posted in the initial post, I wonder as to why they can't even figure  that it could be a possibility and what would they do if that happens. I truly believe that not only they won't accept the results but they will try to do something about it.

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When Trump loses in 2020, the first issue will be getting him OUT of the Oval Office.  Nancy Pelosi has stated she "does not automatically trust the president to respect the results of any election short of an overwhelming defeat".

 

Source: NYT - Pelosi Warns Democrats: Stay in the Center or Trump May Contest Election Results



    

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@GailL1 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

. . . . . . Expect them to implement a functioning process for processing asylum seekers at the borders and tracking them as they move inland. . . . .


Why wait until an election especially on this one ?

There is lots of BIpartisan support on immigration reform -

I would be supportive of their actions of working on such a plan - at least we could see how good they are at working with others -


Legislation is one thing. You are not down here near the border watching the clown show the Trump administration has put into place to "process" asylum seekers.  

  • Accept them
  • Fill out a few forms
  • Keep them for a few days
  • Drop them on the streets outside the detention facilities. 

That's it. No plan, no goals, no competence. THAT is what the Democrats will change. 

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