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So, to follow on the gestapo tactics, who does ice answer to? They certainly don’t answer questions. But their actions are very trump like: are they picking ms13 members, or just picking up law abiding innocent people?

In our Country, it’s okay to be legally tough if also acting in a legal manner. But it’s not okay to be cruel if operating in an illegal manner. 

Then again, trump doesn’t expect his minions to operate in a legal manner, and expects them to treat people in a cruel manner.

 

Country over party

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@rk9152 wrote:

@gruffstuff wrote:

What has ICE to do with American citizens?

 

Secret lists, unlawful detention, persecution of critics, intimidation of protest with the threat of violence and or imprisonment, attack and intimidation of journalist, censorship of the free press.

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/government-list-journalists-border-immigratio...

 

 

The US Compiled A Secret List Of Journalists, Attorneys, And Activists To Question At The Border

 

"It starts to smack of dictatorship or the persecution of actors and press during the Red Scare," a senior ICE official not involved in the matter told BuzzFeed News.

 

You know all the things Republicans were enraged about when Obama was President, but Obama didn't actually do.

 

Did I leave out black helicopters?

 

We're not there yet I guess.

 

 

It would appear that the "secret" list isn't very secret. And it seems like they are trying to stop assistance to the caravans. Seems reasonable.

 

And then something about Obama.....

 

So it would appear that this "Gestapo" jazz is a bit theatrical.



Either that - or the allegation that tRump is on the up and up is an all too typically theatrical disingenuous trumpish misrepresentation - essentially identical to tRump's 8000 plus "misrepresentiations" - those that a majority of American Citizens consider to be lies...

 

 

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Here is a little more info on what ICE is doing in FL. There have been something like up to 60 counties sign an agreement to hold a person in detention after their release date at the request of ICE (a letter request  that has not gone through a court and been reviewed by a Judge). For that the county will be paid $50.00 per day per person. ICE uses names only and does not check if they are in this country illegally. There have been quite a few US Citizens turned over to ICE (Not legal for ICE to detain US Citizens.) No one knows if any have been deported. None have been where the ACLU has gotten involved.  I have said for well over a year now ICE is the US version of the German Gestapo.

 

There are a lot of far right living in FL so lets see how many of them ICE picks up. Well they are for the most part white, and that is not what ICE looks for. In Germany it was the Jews.

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It would appear that the "secret" list isn't very secret. And it seems like they are trying to stop assistance to the caravans. Seems reasonable.

 

Meaning  caravan assistance from the Globalsit Jews.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-washington-saw-america-as-a-safe-place-for-jews-trump...

 

Trump’s America is not a safe place for Jews

 

George Washington, in his 1790 letter to the Touro Synagogue in Newport, R.I., told Jews they would be safe in the new nation.

 

 

“The government of the United States . . . gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance,” he wrote. “May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants — while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.”

 

 

Though that assurance has been tested, the United States has endured as a safe haven for Jews.

Now President Trump has violated Washington’s compact. He has given sanction to bigotry and assistance to persecution. After the shooting in Pittsburgh, which the Anti-Defamation League believes is the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in U.S. history, there is no longer safety under the vine and fig tree.

 

 

I had been dreading and expecting this day, and more like it, for two years. This was more than predictable; it was predicted.

 

 

After Trump’s presidential campaign began with genteel anti-Semitism, progressed to dog whistles and ended with a full-throated targeting of Jewish “globalists,” I wrote on Election Day that the results would be coming in on the 78th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the infamous night of Nazi violence and vandalism against German Jews: “I pray that on this solemn anniversary, Americans tell Donald Trump and the world that we are never going back there.”

 

 

After Charlottesville, when Trump said there “were very fine people” marching among the neo-Nazis chanting “Jews will not replace us,” I wrote about my daughter’s fear of returning to Hebrew school because of violence; armed white supremacists had chanted “Sieg Heil” and forced worshipers to flee a Charlottesville synagogue.

 

 

Consider some of the many times Trump gave sanction to bigotry before 11 worshipers were shot dead at the Tree of Life:

 

 

Telling Jewish Republicans they wouldn’t support him “because I don’t want your money.”

Tweeting an image from an anti-Semitic message board with a Star of David atop a pile of cash.

Saying “I don’t have a message” for supporters who threatened anti-Semitic violence against a Jewish journalist, and Melania Trump saying the writer “provoked” the threats.

 

 

Branding his campaign with the “America First” slogan of the anti-Semitic pre-war movement.

Alleging that “blood suckers” and “a global power structure” including “international banks” are secretly plotting against ordinary Americans.

 

 

And, when urged by the Anti-Defamation League to stop using traditionally anti-Semitic tropes, repeating the tropes in an ad with images of prominent Jews, including George Soros.

 

 

Once in office, in addition to making common cause with the Nazis of Charlottesville, Trump stocked his administration with Stephen K. Bannon and other figures of the nationalist “alt-right;” hesitated to condemn the rise of anti-Semitic threats and vandalism; issued a Holocaust remembrance statement without mention of Jews; lamented the attempts to silence Alex Jones, who peddles anti-Semitic conspiracy theories; and, declaring himself a “nationalist,” increased verbal attacks on “globalists,” particularly Soros.

 

 

Supposedly, American Jews are protected by Trump’s daughter Ivanka marrying into the faith, or by Trump’s fondness for Israel’s nationalist policies.

 

 

But it doesn’t work that way. The ADL reports a 57 percent rise in anti-Semitic incidents in 2017. Other groups Trump targets — African Americans, Latinos, Muslims — have long experienced this and worse; a man in Kentucky last week allegedly tried to enter a black church before killing two black people at a supermarket. It is the new normal, though, for Jewish journalists and public figures to endure routine threats, for unabashed anti-Semitism to flourish in social media — and now for Jews to fear for their safety in quiet places like Pittsburgh, where I lived and worshiped for three years.

 

 

Whatever Trump’s motives, his words and deeds inspire the hateful and the violent. The man accused of sending pipe bombs to a dozen favorite Trump targets (including Soros) eschewed politics, his family’s lawyer says, until he “found a father in Trump.” The accused Pittsburgh gunman, though apparently rejecting Trump for being insufficiently nationalist, embraced on social media the themes Trump has popularized: the “globalist” danger, immigrant “invaders that kill our people” and an “infestation” of undesirables.

 

 

After the shooting, Trump read from the teleprompter the proper denunciation of anti-Semitism. But proceeding with a rally mere hours after the massacre, he galvanized the crowd with the same complaint the alleged Pittsburgh killer cited in social media before the carnage: the migrant caravan. Trump told the crowd, “No caravans, right? We don’t want caravans. We’re not having caravans.”

 

 

“Build the wall!” the crowd chanted.

 

 

Trump closed with his usual vow to fight “others” who are trying to “destroy our proud American heritage.” White supremacists get the message.

 

 

On Shabbat, Jewish custom says, God gives each of us a “neshamah yeteirah,” an extra soul for rejuvenation on the day of rest. But this Shabbat, we lost 11 souls. And our Jewish and American souls will continue to be so drained — unless our president changes his ways, or we change our president.

 

 

So what you're saying is we need ICE to be the US version of the German Gestapo to keep us safe from the Globalist Jews and stop those Jews from sending caravans of terrible people to invade the USA at the border.

 

 

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@gruffstuff wrote:

What has ICE to do with American citizens?

 

Secret lists, unlawful detention, persecution of critics, intimidation of protest with the threat of violence and or imprisonment, attack and intimidation of journalist, censorship of the free press.

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/government-list-journalists-border-immigratio...

 

 

The US Compiled A Secret List Of Journalists, Attorneys, And Activists To Question At The Border

 

"It starts to smack of dictatorship or the persecution of actors and press during the Red Scare," a senior ICE official not involved in the matter told BuzzFeed News.

 

You know all the things Republicans were enraged about when Obama was President, but Obama didn't actually do.

 

Did I leave out black helicopters?

 

We're not there yet I guess.

 

 

It would appear that the "secret" list isn't very secret. And it seems like they are trying to stop assistance to the caravans. Seems reasonable.

 

And then something about Obama.....

 

So it would appear that this "Gestapo" jazz is a bit theatrical.


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@afisher wrote:

   Apparently, some RW will ignore anything and everything that their hired cops will do if donald gives them the OK.    Do they really agree that rounding up US Citizens is a good thing.   

 

Oh my and sigh - once again a lefty makes something up, attributes it to the RW an then argue that they are wrong.

 

And then something about supposed reading and watching habits - more made us stuff.

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What has ICE to do with American citizens?

 

Secret lists, unlawful detention, persecution of critics, intimidation of protest with the threat of violence and or imprisonment, attack and intimidation of journalist, censorship of the free press.

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/government-list-journalists-border-immigratio...

 

 

The US Compiled A Secret List Of Journalists, Attorneys, And Activists To Question At The Border

 

"It starts to smack of dictatorship or the persecution of actors and press during the Red Scare," a senior ICE official not involved in the matter told BuzzFeed News.

 

You know all the things Republicans were enraged about when Obama was President, but Obama didn't actually do.

 

Did I leave out black helicopters?

 

We're not there yet I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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   Apparently, some RW will ignore anything and everything that their hired cops will do if donald gives them the OK.    Do they really agree that rounding up US Citizens is a good thing.    Are they really so uniformed that having the police break into homes using forged warrants is the US way?   Seriously?   If so, they are more pathetic and uninformed than I would ever have thought before.   But then, they mostly are devoid of any reality after spending years only reading / watching RW "patriot" news.   

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@gruffstuff wrote:

ICE is the US version of German Gestapo

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-detainers-miami-florida-aclu_n_5c92c7c3e4b01b140d3536d9

 

 

ICE Has Been Wrongly Detaining U.S. Citizens In Florida Jails, Says ACLU

 

What has ICE to do with American citizens? If they are doing that, it is wrong and needs correction. But, their real job is important and has to be done and not called  "Gestapo".

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Surely you understand that ICE is confronted with an impossible task due to the need for a rewrite of immigration law.  And gosh darn, 2 years of fascist rule and they couldn't do anything to "rewrite immigration law"?  What losers!  The great negotiator....LOL!

What do you find to giggle about with regard to our screwed-up immigration laws? BTW , if we did truly did have "fascist rule", the laws would have been changed.

 

Somebody has to do the job. Would you consider anyone enforcing our borders to be Gestapo?  Busting in and arresting those who have lived constructive lives while paying taxes, is hardly "enforcing our borders".

If someone is here illegally, someone has to enforce our laws. Is law enforcement automatically "Gestapo"?



 

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