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 I stated that religion had caused suffering, you made the inane statement about taking atheist, agnostics, etc.  Is it beneath you to say you didn't think when you made the comment?  I screw up it isn't a big deal to say you made a mistake.


By the way, Hitler was supposed to be Catholic but didn't start WWII for religious reasons and Saddam never practiced his religion.

 "Is it beneath you to say you didn't think when you made the comment?  I screw up it isn't a big deal to say you made a mistake."  


Huh?? of what mistake do you speak?  I said I will take an atheist, agnostic or human secularist any day over a so called devout "religion" follower.  Their moral values and actions are much more in keeping with my beliefs

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And how about Hitler (Christian), Franco (Catholic) and Saddam Hussein (Sunni)............. 

 I stated that religion had caused suffering, you made the inane statement about taking atheist, agnostics, etc.  Is it beneath you to say you didn't think when you made the comment?  I screw up it isn't a big deal to say you made a mistake.


By the way, Hitler was supposed to be Catholic but didn't start WWII for religious reasons and Saddam never practiced his religion.

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"Science" has killed more than religion.


45,000,000 in world war 2 alone.

 war is not science......its greed and lust for power

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You are the perfect example of what I am talking about ... a person who has molded their religious beliefs to fit their political values.


You appear to know little of Christianity or democracy.


Both are great -- you ought to try them sometime.


64% of people between 18 and 30 approve of President Obama.


THE FUTURE IS IN SAFE HANDS 

 


lifeinshermanoaks BS poll numbers taken 6 montrhs ago in October 2009, 6 months ago, yes his poll numbers are from 6 months ago that at that time showed Obama's popularity among young people, approve 64% disapprove 23%. Among all ages 56% approve 35% disapprove. Lifeinshermanoaks BS 6 month old poll.


Young people is Obama's strongest support group, 18-30yrs old.


A march 18, 2010 poll, a few days old, not 6 months, show Obama's popularity among 18-30 yr old group has slipped just as it has with all groups.  Now, in the 18-30 yr old groups overall popularity of Pres Obama,  51% approve 39% disapprove. That is a downward shift of -13% points in just 6 months. Among all age groups, Obama's popularity likewise dropped 47% approve, 49% disapprove, a 9% point  in also 6 months.


In Obama's strong base support, the 18-30 yr olds, lost more suppore in 6 months, 13% as compared to overall age group drop of 9%.


lifeinshermanoaks BS numbers are just that, BS, 6 months old. Truth, Obama's is losing more from his once strongest base, 18-30 yr  olds  than from the overall public. 


The 18-30 yr old group is wising up to Obama's ineptness as President. 

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  Really, have you not heard of Stalin and the 40 million he killed or Mao who had 70 million killed.  This is your idea of a philosophy that produces rational people.  Religion, which I am not a big believer in formal religions, has been a very good humanizer of people teaching them to care for others.  The greatest mass murders have been  human secularist, agnostic, or atheist; 


Your lack of knowledge or selective memory is showing.  Yes the misuse of religion is a terrible thing and has caused terrible hardships all around the world but the big mass murders are not religious.

And how about Hitler (Christian), Franco (Catholic) and Saddam Hussein (Sunni)............. 

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 More harm to humanity and civilization has been done in the name of religion than anything else I can think of.  Shame on ALL religious fanatics and terrorists......Christian, Muslim, Hari Krishna whatever.  Give me a human secularist, agnostic, or atheist any day.  Organized religion is about power and control of the "flock", nothing else

"Science" has killed more than religion.


45,000,000 in world war 2 alone.

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 More harm to humanity and civilization has been done in the name of religion than anything else I can think of.  Shame on ALL religious fanatics and terrorists......Christian, Muslim, Hari Krishna whatever.  Give me a human secularist, agnostic, or atheist any day.  Organized religion is about power and control of the "flock", nothing else

  Really, have you not heard of Stalin and the 40 million he killed or Mao who had 70 million killed.  This is your idea of a philosophy that produces rational people.  Religion, which I am not a big believer in formal religions, has been a very good humanizer of people teaching them to care for others.  The greatest mass murders have been  human secularist, agnostic, or atheist; 


Your lack of knowledge or selective memory is showing.  Yes the misuse of religion is a terrible thing and has caused terrible hardships all around the world but the big mass murders are not religious.

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I have read this and your previous post this evening and I think you are wrong in your observation. 


 


I don't "hate" the Tea Party - I certainly don't understand how they bought all the Astroturf BS, like "deathers".  If you think back to the beginning of this, many of us ignored this group, not hating them, but understanding that their "demands" were not based on fact.  Then individuals, such as F. Luntz came out with talking points and one ingenious group came up with a whole list of non-factual complaints about the original HCR bill...remember "killing granny".  Remember M Bachmann and her saying that youth summer groups were actually re-programming centers?


 


As I bothered to save a copy of the complaints and reviewed each one, would you like to re-read all the non-factual attacks on that bill?


 


As for religion, I would greatly prefer to not have it as the basis for how our country's legislation is moved forward.  If you vote for this, you will "burn in hell"...all blah blah blah that has no business in government.  I was in a secret group, but didn't even know it, as it was a group that my step-father was in...it made no sense to me, and could see no relevance to secret passwords.  I was raised in a family with a religious history, yep even baptized, but could see the hypocracy even as a teenager.  So I don't have that "god-fear".  I was very fortunate, I was raised where it was most important to think and ask critical questions, read, make an independent assessment, and always be able to defend my position based on reason, when facts were unavailable.   That is why one can't debate "religion", as you have stated yourself, there are no facts.


 


So I don't hate anyone, I just don't understand how they can take a position that is not based on fact and in a reasonable debate will probably not be able to offer up much more than rhetorical statements.


 


In a humorous moment, I re-watched a video where a Congressional Representative quized Secretary Geithner about where in the Constitution did he have the authority to use money to bail out banks, and he replied that he received authorization from the Congress, who is granted the authority by the Constitution to pass laws / bills.  Perhaps the Representative was frustrated that he could not cite the exact clause of the Constitution, but I also wondered if perhaps the Representative did not know their own process.


 


And, yes, you are correct, all of the Congress and 1/3 of the Senate will be up for re-election this year.  I can only suggest that if you don't like the talking points and positions of those with whom you disagree, either make a good debate point that may sway my position or quit reading those opinions of those posters with whom you disagree.  But until that election, the current Congress has been duly elected by the people and is legislating based on exactly what they said they would do if elected.  You may not have voted for them, but a majority of voters did.  Sorry, but that is the way it works in this country.


 


When you resort to (derogatory) labelling those individuals who have a different POV than yours, then perhaps you should grab the mirror!   It was interesting that your previous post was about the inner-city crime that you observed and said that that is the real crime with which many of us know nothing.  From there you make a leap and that it is fair to look at one segment of society and see crime and ignore another segment of society (the "radicals" within the TP) and their behavior and say that because it is a smaller group, we should ignore it ?   Isn't that how inner-city crime grew to the proportions which you say is huge, by ignoring it.


 


 

 I appreciate your effort to stay rational even though it slipped a few times.  I never said ignore any violence that happens but so far it isn't with the tea party.  I am just disgusted by people that have sat in safe comfortable homes while some of our kids have faced real violence that you haven't done anything about but  scream about violence that hasn't happened yet.  I don't think their dead relatives and friends accept your fear of tea parties.  I have been very upset about this for a long time but didn't call anyone out until this cry of "violence" when it isn't happening.


Unfortunately, our representatives on both sides have become partisan hacks instead of statesmen/women that care about the will of the people.


I haven't seen any Christians want to make this a theocracy or I would be up in arms but, they have been concerned about the removal of the free expression of faith in public life and th irrational fear of religion.   Respect for others position means treating them with respect not disdain.  As far as looking in the mirror I don't dismiss people with different ideas but I do stand up to people that show disdain for other groups of people.  Thanks for a rational discussion.

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 Webster dictionary : bigot 
: a
person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own
opinions and prejudices; especially : one
who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance



I wondered how to explain the
haters here in a way that makes sense and bigot is the right word.
 Instead of understanding we all have different points of view
they hate the tea party because it doesn't fit their views.
 They hate Christians because it doesn't fit their idea of
religion - I do know how the Bible was put together and what was
left out along with the history of religion the difference is I don't look down on people that have
a different belief of the Bible I do.  



Look in the mirror and ask why you
are afraid or hate people with a different view than you.
 Conservatives aren't afraid of socialism we just don't want
gov't to rule our lives as we believe in the Declaration of Independence




We hold these
truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,




What the tea party and others are
upset about is people that were elected think they can rule over us
instead of deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed.  I don't know what brought all of you out tonight to
attack those that don't agree with you but the November election
will settle the disagreement until the next election.


 More harm to humanity and civilization has been done in the name of religion than anything else I can think of.  Shame on ALL religious fanatics and terrorists......Christian, Muslim, Hari Krishna whatever.  Give me a human secularist, agnostic, or atheist any day.  Organized religion is about power and control of the "flock", nothing else

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 Let's see -- you're the one with the handle "letfreedomring" and self-identifies as a form of Christian,


Hmmmm Occult or just cult?

 You are at it again and it is showing.

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