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You reminded my of a song that fits your post... done by Stevie Ray Vaughn and his brother Jimmy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJg8G02PD0    hope you listen and like.....


And who knows the future of these political "icons"  Reid, Pelosi remember November... I do

Loved the video (the Woodstock background was pretty neat too) and the "message." Thanks for the blast from the past...www.aarp.org/community/editor/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/shades_smile.gif" />

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Your post reminds me of a run in I had with my 1st grade teacher (nun). I found my goldfish (1st pet I ever had) floating on top of the water and cried all the way to school. When I asked the nun if goldfish go to heaven? She replied in a very stern voice "NO!...There are NO pets allowed in heaven!" I looked her staight in the eye and said "THEN I DON"T WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN" and walked right outta that school and hid for the rest of the day. Yeah...I was defiant back then too, marched to my own drum I guess. www.aarp.org/community/editor/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif" />

I will assume that explains much of our present personalities. 

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"I was very fortunate, I was raised where it was most important to think and ask critical questions, read, make an independent assessment, and always be able to defend my position based on reason, when facts "


I will assume that was your moment of truth.. and I see by your post it worked.  Mine was the time I told a Catholic priest, That I believed our cats and dogs went to heaven with us.  He seemed a bit dumb founded, my mother kind of laughed..

Your post reminds me of a run in I had with my 1st grade teacher (nun). I found my goldfish (1st pet I ever had) floating on top of the water and cried all the way to school. When I asked the nun if goldfish go to heaven? She replied in a very stern voice "NO!...There are NO pets allowed in heaven!" I looked her staight in the eye and said "THEN I DON"T WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN" and walked right outta that school and hid for the rest of the day. Yeah...I was defiant back then too, marched to my own drum I guess. www.aarp.org/community/editor/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif" />

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 Let's see -- you're the one with the handle "letfreedomring" and self-identifies as a form of Christian,


Hmmmm Occult or just cult?

'Let's see -- you're the one with the handle "letfreedomring" and self-identifies as a form of Christian,


Hmmmm Occult or just cult?" Pick your poison MR/MS "know-it-all."


 


So now you have a problem with my "handle" (you have a problem with Carrie Underwood's song???) and you "assume" I am some "form" of a Christian. For all you know Lifer, I could be Muslim. Problem is...you don't really know what I am now do you??? For a self proclaimed "educated" person you sure do run on an awful lot of ASSumptions.www.aarp.org/community/editor/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif" />

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 I stated that religion had caused suffering, you made the inane statement about taking atheist, agnostics, etc.  Is it beneath you to say you didn't think when you made the comment?  I screw up it isn't a big deal to say you made a mistake.


By the way, Hitler was supposed to be Catholic but didn't start WWII for religious reasons and Saddam never practiced his religion.

" I stated that religion had caused suffering"


I think that living causes suffering, not religion.. Religion are beliefs in something beyond ourselves,  whereas living does create the suffering through our lifestyles, disease, war etc.  I could be wrong as well, but that is how i see it.

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 More harm to humanity and civilization has been done in the name of religion than anything else I can think of.  Shame on ALL religious fanatics and terrorists......Christian, Muslim, Hari Krishna whatever.  Give me a human secularist, agnostic, or atheist any day.  Organized religion is about power and control of the "flock", nothing else

Cant say as i agree or disagree if those are your personal feelings.. I  think religion as we interpret it may be a bit out of line... I think it was meant to show us there are things beyond daily routines, and a creator that made this and others trip here on earth possible.. Are we merely random specks in the universe? or is this life on earth a learning curve, enlightenment or whatever name suites best?  There has never been a civilization that did not revere some diety;  Ra, The Creator, or one of the many and various prophets who lived to teach a philosophy of life - in accordance with the area of the world for their ancient civilization.   I think there is more to it, than spurting out a personal limitation of individual thoughts to attempt  an explaination our existance on earth.

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I have read this and your previous post this evening and I think you are wrong in your observation. 


 


I don't "hate" the Tea Party - I certainly don't understand how they bought all the Astroturf BS, like "deathers".  If you think back to the beginning of this, many of us ignored this group, not hating them, but understanding that their "demands" were not based on fact.  Then individuals, such as F. Luntz came out with talking points and one ingenious group came up with a whole list of non-factual complaints about the original HCR bill...remember "killing granny".  Remember M Bachmann and her saying that youth summer groups were actually re-programming centers?


 


As I bothered to save a copy of the complaints and reviewed each one, would you like to re-read all the non-factual attacks on that bill?


 


As for religion, I would greatly prefer to not have it as the basis for how our country's legislation is moved forward.  If you vote for this, you will "burn in hell"...all blah blah blah that has no business in government.  I was in a secret group, but didn't even know it, as it was a group that my step-father was in...it made no sense to me, and could see no relevance to secret passwords.  I was raised in a family with a religious history, yep even baptized, but could see the hypocracy even as a teenager.  So I don't have that "god-fear".  I was very fortunate, I was raised where it was most important to think and ask critical questions, read, make an independent assessment, and always be able to defend my position based on reason, when facts were unavailable.   That is why one can't debate "religion", as you have stated yourself, there are no facts.


 


So I don't hate anyone, I just don't understand how they can take a position that is not based on fact and in a reasonable debate will probably not be able to offer up much more than rhetorical statements.


 


In a humorous moment, I re-watched a video where a Congressional Representative quized Secretary Geithner about where in the Constitution did he have the authority to use money to bail out banks, and he replied that he received authorization from the Congress, who is granted the authority by the Constitution to pass laws / bills.  Perhaps the Representative was frustrated that he could not cite the exact clause of the Constitution, but I also wondered if perhaps the Representative did not know their own process.


 


And, yes, you are correct, all of the Congress and 1/3 of the Senate will be up for re-election this year.  I can only suggest that if you don't like the talking points and positions of those with whom you disagree, either make a good debate point that may sway my position or quit reading those opinions of those posters with whom you disagree.  But until that election, the current Congress has been duly elected by the people and is legislating based on exactly what they said they would do if elected.  You may not have voted for them, but a majority of voters did.  Sorry, but that is the way it works in this country.


 


When you resort to (derogatory) labelling those individuals who have a different POV than yours, then perhaps you should grab the mirror!   It was interesting that your previous post was about the inner-city crime that you observed and said that that is the real crime with which many of us know nothing.  From there you make a leap and that it is fair to look at one segment of society and see crime and ignore another segment of society (the "radicals" within the TP) and their behavior and say that because it is a smaller group, we should ignore it ?   Isn't that how inner-city crime grew to the proportions which you say is huge, by ignoring it.


 


 

"I was very fortunate, I was raised where it was most important to think and ask critical questions, read, make an independent assessment, and always be able to defend my position based on reason, when facts "


I will assume that was your moment of truth.. and I see by your post it worked.  Mine was the time I told a Catholic priest, That I believed our cats and dogs went to heaven with us.  He seemed a bit dumb founded, my mother kind of laughed..

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I think they have their knickers in a twist because they KNOW what's gonnal happen in 2012...Time is ticking, tic-tock-tick-tock and they're running scared. People like Beck, Palin and Tea Party SENIOR Citizens scare the heebie jeebies outta them; it's really funny when ya think about it. It reminds me of Pill-osi behind the podium on national TV; she looked like a terrified Bambi in headlights when describing the senior tea partiers. Oh yeah, Americans should feel real safe knowing the "drama queen" is 3rd in line to run this country!

You reminded my of a song that fits your post... done by Stevie Ray Vaughn and his brother Jimmy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJg8G02PD0    hope you listen and like.....


And who knows the future of these political "icons"  Reid, Pelosi remember November... I do

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 Webster dictionary : bigot 
: a
person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own
opinions and prejudices; especially : one
who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance



I wondered how to explain the
haters here in a way that makes sense and bigot is the right word.
 Instead of understanding we all have different points of view
they hate the tea party because it doesn't fit their views.
 They hate Christians because it doesn't fit their idea of
religion - I do know how the Bible was put together and what was
left out along with the history of religion the difference is I don't look down on people that have
a different belief of the Bible I do.  



Look in the mirror and ask why you
are afraid or hate people with a different view than you.
 Conservatives aren't afraid of socialism we just don't want
gov't to rule our lives as we believe in the Declaration of Independence




We hold these
truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,




What the tea party and others are
upset about is people that were elected think they can rule over us
instead of deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed.  I don't know what brought all of you out tonight to
attack those that don't agree with you but the November election
will settle the disagreement until the next election.


 


    I see the haters are out tonight


 


Yes I noticed that too. Bottle Blond


 


and her alternate ID are here.


 


To spew their hate upon us.

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 "Is it beneath you to say you didn't think when you made the comment?  I screw up it isn't a big deal to say you made a mistake."  


Huh?? of what mistake do you speak?  I said I will take an atheist, agnostic or human secularist any day over a so called devout "religion" follower.  Their moral values and actions are much more in keeping with my beliefs

 If that was your point then fine, I misread your meaning. But I saw it as saying they never caused people any real harm and you didn't stop to think of the worst mass murders the world has seen.  Like I said I screw up too so until we discuss something you never know.  Personally I would rather deal with anyone that has a strong moral character no matter what their religion or lack of religion.

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